EF 24-70L f2.8 with IS Rumour

[commonjunks]

Anyway now we should stop talking about this rumor as it is not announced this year .

 

[nitewalk]

Anyway now we should stop talking about this rumor as it is not announced this year .

Well, we all got a little excited about having IS in this lens. Ultimately, its still up to Canon.

 

[icelava]

nitewalk, all that i have been driving is the point that a concept exists on its own without magnitude or scale. you have to expand your perspective and recognise all technological advancements in human history, be it big or small, has been about improving the way we do things. Or automating certain things so we can simply focus on our task at hand.

Because sewage and water and electrical supply has long been integrated into human civilisation, you regard it as "need" now instead of "convenience". But put yourself in centuries and millenniums back, and you will find yourself arguing why the "need" for such things; our lives are just fine the way it is now. As with all the other technologies i have mentioned that we take for granted today, all these advancements serve to, little by little, take our minds of such worries and devote our time and energies to achieving the original objective we had in mind. To specifically address one particular aspect - only water per se is the true necessity - without it we die. How we obtain drinkable water is the convenience part.

Therefore, i do not think it is nice of you to tell others there is no need for IS when many will have absolute use for it. I personally detest auto-transmission cars because of the lack of control and performance drag, but i do not go around enforcing opinions on others manual-transmission is all that is "necessary" and the way to go.

Now, having auto-transmission doesn't mean we ought to forget the concept of gearbox and how gear ratios affect car performance (although i can sense a large population already ignores this), and likewise having IS does not mean one can truly forget how to hold a camera steady. But, i believe one fine day technology will advance to the point where one holds down the shutter button while running, and every picture will still be clear.

 

[nitewalk]

nitewalk, all that i have been driving is the point that a concept exists on its own without magnitude or scale. you have to expand your perspective and recognise all technological advancements in human history, be it big or small, has been about improving the way we do things. Or automating certain things so we can simply focus on our task at hand.

Because sewage and water and electrical supply has long been integrated into human civilisation, you regard it as "need" now instead of "convenience". But put yourself in centuries and millenniums back, and you will find yourself arguing why the "need" for such things; our lives are just fine the way it is now. As with all the other technologies i have mentioned that we take for granted today, all these advancements serve to, little by little, take our minds of such worries and devote our time and energies to achieving the original objective we had in mind. To specifically address one particular aspect - only water per se is the true necessity - without it we die. How we obtain drinkable water is the convenience part.

Therefore, i do not think it is nice of you to tell others there is no need for IS when many will have absolute use for it. I personally detest auto-transmission cars because of the lack of control and performance drag, but i do not go around enforcing opinions on others manual-transmission is all that is "necessary" and the way to go.

Now, having auto-transmission doesn't mean we ought to forget the concept of gearbox and how gear ratios affect car performance (although i can sense a large population already ignores this), and likewise having IS does not mean one can truly forget how to hold a camera steady. But, i believe one fine day technology will advance to the point where one holds down the shutter button while running, and every picture will still be clear.

As much as you have just said you don't like auto transmission, I have said the same of my opinion of IS in lenses. Like I said again and again, that is my 0.02. You may have misunderstood me, as perhaps I have mentioned time and time again about my opinion of IS, but that is purely because I had to reiterate my stand and opinion. I have not said anything to the effect of "don't wait for such a lens" or "IS is useless". In fact, I have reiterated that I believe that IS is useful but we have become over-reliant on it and thus blurred the lines between needs and wants.

I don't think you have quite understood what I was driving at before you tried to counter me. In fact, if I had intended it (and pretty much so) to be an opinion, I don't see why you appear to take it so seriously. I have not, I repeat, enforced my idea upon others. Besides, I am not senior enough, and even if I am I wouldn't enforce this upon others.

I think you need to read and think harder to understand my point before making a hasty judgement on my words.

In fact, like i said, to each his own. I have said that, obviously, you had missed out on that line.

 

[icelava]

In fact, I have reiterated that I believe that IS is useful but we have become over-reliant on it and thus blurred the lines between needs and wants.

then you have not understood the point i have been driving.

Perhaps this angle may put things into perspective:

Are we over-reliant on AF? is that a need or a want?

 

[icelava]

oh yea btw, what i was also pointing is you cannot just blurt out there is NO NEED for so and so technology. as observed, more than one person has read into your assertion "wrongly" as you have not intended to. it has an authoritative and empirical ring to it.

if you wish to state just your opinion, it may be better to write as

"personally i do not understand how IS helps at such focal lengths. given that in most situations the shutter speed will exceed the focal length, proper camera-holding techniques go a longer way in helping achieve a clearer picture. in my usage of the other short-range IS models, switching on IS has no observable clearer results."

 

[nitewalk]

then you have not understood the point i have been driving.

Perhaps this angle may put things into perspective:

Are we over-reliant on AF? is that a need or a want?

I find it amusing that I made my point first and you said I am not understanding your point when you have not understood mine.

To answer your question, AF for me is a want. I had been in situations where I had to be contented with a manual focus lens when AF would be more of a "need".

Like I said, to each his own, I just state my opinion that some had been over-reliant on IS. I don't see why you are so worked up over it? Again, I repeat, it is my opinion, and I am entitled to it. To preach to me not to enforce my idea, which I had proven I had not attempted to enforce my idea, I believe you should start practicing what you preach.

And yes, you may laugh at me, but AF is a want not a need. And no, I am not enforcing that idea. Just my 0.02 once again.

 

[nitewalk]

oh yea btw, what i was also pointing is you cannot just blurt out there is NO NEED for so and so technology. as observed, more than one person has read into your assertion "wrongly" as you have not intended to. it has an authoritative and empirical ring to it.

if you wish to state just your opinion, it may be better to write as

"personally i do not understand how IS helps at such focal lengths. given that in most situations the shutter speed will exceed the focal length, proper camera-holding techniques go a longer way in helping achieve a clearer picture"

My apologies for the poor expression. I am no English major, in fact, I was and am a student of a particular discipline where our language ability had always been suspect. However, instead of picking on particular poor expressions, you may perhaps also wish to pick on the fact that I have repeatedly mentioned that it is my 2 cents worth and I believe I have said more times of my belief that its a personal choice, and never told anyone not to wait or get a lens with IS.

Or how about pick on the fact that I have also repeated that IS is useful albeit not a need? Since you are well-equipped to quote, why quote selectively?

 

[icelava]

I don't see why you are so worked up over it?

actually i have a bored face right now. i'm not worked up, and am in fact planning to continue processing my photos after lunch.

i am done with this topic, as i believe my photos deserve more of my attention ;-)

 

[nitewalk]

actually i have a bored face right now. i'm not worked up, and am in fact planning to continue processing my photos after lunch.

i am done with this topic, as i believe my photos deserve more of my attention ;-)

Exactly, just as I thought, you were just being a troll. The hallmark of a troll - selective quoting.

I'm actually quite in the mood to entertain you since I am having my term breaks and getting a little bored lying on my tummy watching shows. :what:

 

[Anthony Lee]

Anyway now we should stop talking about this rumor as it is not announced this year .

This is the most sensible suggestion.

But I am very amused with some of the methaphors discussed here. Whatever technology the modern world can provide, nothing beats mother nature. Most of my grown up children and grand children still rush back during the weekends to salver my wife's cooking. Also, for an old man like me who can only afford MF lenses and still use them for my nephews and nieces' weddings, I don't see the need even for AF, not to talk about IS which I can't afford and dislike because it makes the lens very noisy, big and heavy. There are very few like me out there, but I hope society will not just forget us because, one day, you young guys out there will be like me trying to catch up one step but fall back two.

 

[neech7]

Anyway now we should stop talking about this rumor as it is not announced this year .

There are 4 months left in the year, bro.

 

[icelava]

Exactly, just as I thought, you were just being a troll. The hallmark of a troll - selective quoting.

-_-"

wow, bro, i state i'm "bored" as in facial expression. I am not agitated as you may think. not bored in got nothing to do go find trouble with somebody, anybody.

And in all my years of Internet communication, this is the first time i find somebody declaring selective quoting equates to trolling. i have been selective quoting all along because i do not believe in quoting passages wholesale - what am i focusing on then? i only quote statements i have issue with or want to pay attention to. The rest either i am fine or do not have important need to highlight.

 

[nitewalk]

This is the most sensible suggestion.

But I am very amused with some of the methaphors discussed here. Whatever technology the modern world can provide, nothing beats mother nature. Most of my grown up children and grand children still rush back during the weekends to salver my wife's cooking. Also, for an old man like me who can only afford MF lenses and still use them for my nephews and nieces' weddings, I don't see the need even for AF, not to talk about IS which I can't afford and dislike because it makes the lens very noisy, big and heavy. There are very few like me out there, but I hope society will not just forget us because, one day, you young guys out there will be like me trying to catch up one step but fall back two.

Well, I used a manual only lens at YOG to capture Judo action. I've got no qualms using a 30 year old lens, not just because I can't afford those expensive ones with IS USM and etc, but I honestly felt that it was pretty cool using an old lens and it felt pretty primitive and original. Once in awhile, reverting back to these helps me to learn what is photography. I am still learning, as such.

I am young, but I don't forget those who came before me. Of course, one day I will grow old and afraid that I will be abandoned to make way for newer and better stuff. And yes, every now and then I will make it a point to eat with my parents. I respect your point.

 

[icelava]

I've got no qualms using a 30 year old lens, not just because I can't afford those expensive ones with IS USM and etc, but I honestly felt that it was pretty cool using an old lens and it felt pretty primitive and original. Once in awhile, reverting back to these helps me to learn what is photography.

kudos to that. :thumbsup:

 

[enzeru21]

Icelava & Nitewalk...

chill guys.. no point you point to this, I point to that...

this is how people start arguments and all... each one has their point of view on certain topics...

if i don't agree with you then i can just say so, but lets be nice here in this forum, for the love of photography and not for other reasons...

hope you guys are settled amicably ~!! some :heart: will help~!!

 

[icelava]

No worries. i debate against ideas, not people. i can agree and disagree with the same people, depending on idea.

 

[nitewalk]

Icelava & Nitewalk...

chill guys.. no point you point to this, I point to that...

this is how people start arguments and all... each one has their point of view on certain topics...

if i don't agree with you then i can just say so, but lets be nice here in this forum, for the love of photography and not for other reasons...

hope you guys are settled amicably ~!! some :heart: will help~!!

Nah. I don't believe in arguing, its pointless especially this is just an issue of preference. :heart::kiss:

 

[enzeru21]

Nah. I don't believe in arguing, its pointless especially this is just an issue of preference. :heart::kiss:

Great~!! ya, but i don't like it when people keep arrowing me for no reason.. some A(*& quite irritating one.. haha..

anyway, how? going to upgrade to 60D???

 

[nitewalk]

Great~!! ya, but i don't like it when people keep arrowing me for no reason.. some A(*& quite irritating one.. haha..

anyway, how? going to upgrade to 60D???

No moolah. Haha. Save up buy lens first. Besides, I still haven't improve myself until I can maximise my humble 1000D yet. Haha. Maybe buy 24-70L f/2.8 IS when it comes out? :bsmilie:

Maybe wait until 70D come out then buy 60D for cheap. HAHA!