EF 24-70L f2.8 with IS Rumour

[enzeru21]

Hey nitewalk im sorry if i did sound like i was directing at you. I am generally refering to people who do make references like that, not you in particular. My apologies if i sounded harsh man.

I have nothing against film honestly speaking. What i'm saying is that is pointless to compare IS usefulness during the film era cos it does not exist at that time, so people are forced to shoot without it. However, now you are given a choice, whether you want to shoot with it or without.

Why i use the public transport is simple. Just like how cars were not affordable during the film era. Hence most are forced to take public transport. However as the era changed, cars and standard of living increased, particularly in Singapore. Thus now many drive to work.
And metaphorically, cars are the IS. You can still go to work with public transport now right? But why some people choose to drive? Im guessing its more convenient and a time-saver.

Thus when you make a reference like, "Hey since we did not use IS during the film era why start now?", i do find it a little insensitive. No doubt most seniors could really shoot steady without, but there are tons who do require it. Declaring "i dont require IS", is a statement that flaunts their skill if you realise it. But they do have bragging rights, since they have been in the photog industry for so long. They would have picked up a level of skill up to now. There was even a CSer who did claim that he can take a pic at 200mm focal length with 1/25 speed? Who am i to doubt that? I honestly cannot manage such a feat thus i myself require IS to help me.

Sorry if i sounded crude in the first post just now. It was perhaps because i wasnt thinking straight then and now i am more refreshed and am replying you in a more civilised manner. I apologise sincerely if i really did sound harsh just now nitewalk.

:angel:

RESPECT~! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[nitewalk]

Hey nitewalk im sorry if i did sound like i was directing at you. I am generally refering to people who do make references like that, not you in particular. My apologies if i sounded harsh man.

I have nothing against film honestly speaking. What i'm saying is that is pointless to compare IS usefulness during the film era cos it does not exist at that time, so people are forced to shoot without it. However, now you are given a choice, whether you want to shoot with it or without.

Why i use the public transport is simple. Just like how cars were not affordable during the film era. Hence most are forced to take public transport. However as the era changed, cars and standard of living increased, particularly in Singapore. Thus now many drive to work.
And metaphorically, cars are the IS. You can still go to work with public transport now right? But why some people choose to drive? Im guessing its more convenient and a time-saver.

Thus when you make a reference like, "Hey since we did not use IS during the film era why start now?", i do find it a little insensitive. No doubt most seniors could really shoot steady without, but there are tons who do require it. Declaring "i dont require IS", is a statement that flaunts their skill if you realise it. But they do have bragging rights, since they have been in the photog industry for so long. They would have picked up a level of skill up to now. There was even a CSer who did claim that he can take a pic at 200mm focal length with 1/25 speed? Who am i to doubt that? I honestly cannot manage such a feat thus i myself require IS to help me.

Sorry if i sounded crude in the first post just now. It was perhaps because i wasnt thinking straight then and now i am more refreshed and am replying you in a more civilised manner. I apologise sincerely if i really did sound harsh just now nitewalk.

:angel:

No worries. I don't put things to heart. Glad you clarify. And no, i'm not skilled enough to flaunt.

 

[hotchoco1ate]

glad we cleared things up amicably

 

[nitewalk]

RESPECT~! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thought so too. :thumbsup: for him

 

[enzeru21]

No worries. I don't put things to heart. Glad you clarify. And no, i'm not skilled enough to flaunt.

glad we cleared things up amicably

Yup great to be friendly and courteous with one another.. haha..

 

[icelava]

Phone makers produce phones with GPS because there is a market for it but doesnt mean its a necessity. Of course canon is not stupid, and not just canon. Duh.

Besides, if you do birding without a tripod perhaps the IS would be useful? I dunno i dun do birding. I am just stating my 0.02. Kthx.

for some GPS on phones have become a daily usage habit. is that a "necessity" or not? features that are useful, will get used.

there are few would can bare-hand the weight of the long-range lenses. i believe tripod is still the optimal choice for those lens categories.

 

[nitewalk]

for some GPS on phones have become a daily usage habit. is that a "necessity" or not? features that are useful, will get used.

there are few would can bare-hand the weight of the long-range lenses. i believe tripod is still the optimal choice for those lens categories.

U mean without GPS these GPS users will be lost? Is it over reliance or necessity?

 

[muvouser]

yo guys,

I am not talking about 1/40 shutter speed. It is 1/4 second as I have stated.

Currently IS technology can help up to 3 to 4 stops. With that amount of help, 1/4 s is not going to be a problem for me and probably for most people at 40mm focal range.

Sure there are some masters who can do much better. I can force myself with great effort to be very still. But if IS option is available, I would choose to have it to make my life easier!

If I can afford it, why not? If I cant, I just work around it. There is no argument about it, having IS will give me better chance for more keepers. Even if it only help 5 % to reduce shake, it is still an advantage!

 

[nitewalk]

yo guys,

I am not talking about 1/40 shutter speed. It is 1/4 second as I have stated.

Currently IS technology can help up to 3 to 4 stops. With that amount of help, 1/4 s is not going to be a problem for me and probably for most people at 40mm focal range.

Sure there are some masters who can do much better. I can force myself with great effort to be very still. But if IS option is available, I would choose to have it to make my life easier!

If I can afford it, why not? If I cant, I just work around it. There is no argument about it, having IS will give me better chance for more keepers. Even if it only help 5 % to reduce shake, it is still an advantage!

Yes, i realised i misinterpreted your words. My apologies. My point was merely to state my observation of a hype about IS/VR.

 

[icelava]

U mean without GPS these GPS users will be lost? Is it over reliance or necessity?

if it helps, why not use it.

with GPS and Google maps, i can now easily communicate navigation details to other people, and easily orient myself in places i am unfamiliar with.

as with all other pieces of technology, if it enhances my user experience and makes my life easier, why not.

 

[nitewalk]

if it helps, why not use it.

with GPS and Google maps, i can now easily communicate navigation details to other people, and easily orient myself in places i am unfamiliar with.

as with all other pieces of technology, if it enhances my user experience and makes my life easier, why not.

Exactly. Its a convenience, not a necessity.

 

[icelava]

And then this matter of convenience becomes a matter of effectiveness and efficiency. as with all other technologies.

do we really NEED mobile phones? do we really NEED auto-focus? do we even need colour monitors and tv?

 

[enzeru21]

the basics of marketing...

Needs versus Wants..

over time the world has come to make us believe our wants as needs...

 

[nitewalk]

the basics of marketing...

Needs versus Wants..

over time the world has come to make us believe our wants as needs...

Pretty much so.

 

[icelava]

Needs versus Wants..

So, do you buy a car with automatic or manual transmission?

 

[muvouser]

Agreed. Some people have not been situations where they have the needs and hence they may dismiss it without much thoughts and understanding.

An example would be my friend who works in the "Sales" industry and always on the road. Sometimes he can received calls while driving and customers demanding some like"You come to my place here at XX Shanghai road and collect the cheque from me now".

So should he stop and park his car in the middle of the expressway to whip out his Street map? Or is he going to drive into car parks just becos he cannot stop along Orchard road to study the streetdirectory?

if it helps, why not use it.

with GPS and Google maps, i can now easily communicate navigation details to other people, and easily orient myself in places i am unfamiliar with.

as with all other pieces of technology, if it enhances my user experience and makes my life easier, why not.

 

[enzeru21]

So, do you buy a car with automatic or manual transmission?

if in singapore or thailand.. i will prefer automatic (even though i learnt manual).. when in USA, Finland or australia, i love driving the manual.. more fun~!!

 

[nitewalk]

Agreed. Some people have not been situations where they have the needs and hence they may dismiss it without much thoughts and understanding.

An example would be my friend who works in the "Sales" industry and always on the road. Sometimes he can received calls while driving and customers demanding some like"You come to my place here at XX Shanghai road and collect the cheque from me now".

So should he stop and park his car in the middle of the expressway to whip out his Street map? Or is he going to drive into car parks just becos he cannot stop along Orchard road to study the streetdirectory?

I have used my iPhone map for that (i supppse google map?) but i never thought it is a necessity. I'm sorry but I've always thought the convenience of technology had blurred the lines between wants and needs and marketing strategies had worked towards that.

To each his own, i find IS not an indispensible part whereas u do. I'd get a non IS whereas u will get a IS version, why not.

 

[icelava]

I'm sorry but I've always thought the convenience of technology had blurred the lines between wants and needs and marketing strategies had worked towards that.

I hope you realise the very taps in your home that stream out clean drinking water into your cups and kettle is a "convenience of technology" as well.

 

[nitewalk]

I hope you realise the very taps in your home that stream out clean drinking water into your cups and kettle is a "convenience of technology" as well.

I believe with that, you remain the one who is unsure of what is the difference between necessity and convenience. Unless you think that you wish to haul out water from a well, if not I don't see why that is not a necessity but a convenience. Back to the topic, aside from the smarty-pant comment, I hope you realise that IS is not a necessity. Useful doesn't mean it is necessity, just like I said it is not a necessity to have IS doesn't mean I say it is not useful. Converse relationship does not apply here.

BTW necessity roughly means indispensible. I don't see how your tap vs IS example tie in. Because I see tap as a necessity, I'm amazed you don't.