E410 or E510 for D-SLR Newbie

[night86mare]

IS has both proponents and opponents; it helps for lower shutter speeds, but at the same time degrades ultimate image quality and is useless for moving subjects..

It does?

Enlighten me! =D

Actually, come to think of it, I don't really use IS. :bsmilie: But enlighten me anyways, please, I'm serious. For once.

 

[Blu-By-U]

Actually, come to think of it, I don't really use IS. :bsmilie: But enlighten me anyways, please, I'm serious. For once.

Let me tell you what happen to me I was on a night river boat cruise. Back then I was armed with a 8080 and a panasonic LZ2. Everything out of the 8080 had some vibration but 70% of all the shots taken with the LZ2 was usable. So, does the IS work or not? :dunno:

 

[night86mare]

Let me tell you what happen to me I was on a night river boat cruise. Back then I was armed with a 8080 and a panasonic LZ2. Everything out of the 8080 had some vibration but 70% of all the shots taken with the LZ2 was usable. So, does the IS work or not? :dunno:

IS definitely works - if you've seen the tests done by reputable review sites it does what it's supposed to do. But like drakon09 says, moving subjects really no use due to panning being more important than your hand shaky or not.

I'm more concerned about the image quality thing - most of the time when I mount my camera on a tripod I just turn off the IS, very easy to do so anyways, unless it's windy, then just turn on and pray for the best.. =D

 

[VSonic06]

Let me tell you what happen to me I was on a night river boat cruise. Back then I was armed with a 8080 and a panasonic LZ2. Everything out of the 8080 had some vibration but 70% of all the shots taken with the LZ2 was usable. So, does the IS work or not? :dunno:

IS improves your odds of taking a sharp photo handheld with a long lens. Once you get used to IS its hard to look back.

 

[drakon09]

Dunno about that, my buddies from camp shooting Canon tell me that the only thing IS is good for is draining battery power.. :dunno:

 

[Hacker]

If you have steady hands, IS helps about 1 stop. Not so good hands, you get about 3-4 stops, and that only if the shutter speed is slow.

 

[drakon09]

Yeah, they really don't find it all that useful; they'd rather keep battery power.

 

[night86mare]

Dunno about that, my buddies from camp shooting Canon tell me that the only thing IS is good for is draining battery power.. :dunno:

:bsmilie:

They jealous!

Go for the E510, I got so hooked on IS from the H2 that I don't think I want to leave it out of the loop, even though I might not use it much. =D

You know, if I didn't get the K100D, I might have saved up a little more and gotten E510, especially since I've spent a little bit more on dust-problems. Itchy fingers like to open up to see what's inside the body. :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[drakon09]

The guys from camp own IS lenses, but they're constantly complaining that its a total waste of moolah.

Maybe we're just old-fashioned.. :bsmilie:

 

[creampuff]

Dunno about that, my buddies from camp shooting Canon tell me that the only thing IS is good for is draining battery power.. :dunno:

Then you haven't experienced the Shake Reduction (SR) of the Pentax first hand. :thumbsup:
In camera image stabilisation is a winner as far as I am concerned and the benefits extend to each and every lens mounted on the camera. The power drain for sensor based IS is negligible when compared to IS on the lens (small shift of a sensor vs shifting a bigger and heavier lens element). IS can be easily switched off for shooting moving objects or when on a tripod (Pentax states this clearly in their manual). In fact, Pentax is selling more K100D (which has SR) than the K110D (identical to K100D except without SR). With SR, I have taken usable images at shutter speeds as low as 1/4 sec handheld. Obviously it won't beat the use of a tripod, but then it wasn't designed to. If anything, with Oly's 2X crop factor, I would think IS is needed even more. Frankly I'm a little surprised that you've kinda seem to have made up your mind that IS will degrade ultimate image quality when you haven't actually tried it first hand.

 

[drakon09]

Then you haven't experienced the Shake Reduction (SR) of the Pentax first hand. :thumbsup:
In camera image stabilisation is a winner as far as I am concerned and the benefits extend to each and every lens mounted on the camera. The power drain for sensor based IS is negligible when compared to IS on the lens (small shift of a sensor vs shifting a bigger and heavier lens element). IS can be easily switched off for shooting moving objects or when on a tripod (Pentax states this clearly in their manual). In fact, Pentax is selling more K100D (which has SR) than the K110D (identical to K100D except without SR). With SR, I have taken usable images at shutter speeds as low as 1/4 sec handheld. Obviously it won't beat the use of a tripod, but then it wasn't designed to. If anything, with Oly's 2X crop factor, I would think IS is needed even more. Frankly I'm a little surprised that you've kinda seem to have made up your mind that IS will degrade ultimate image quality when you haven't actually tried it first hand.

Tried?

Of course I've tried both in-body and in-lens IS.

Still ended up using a tripod. :bsmilie:

 

[night86mare]

Tried?

Of course I've tried both in-body and in-lens IS.

Still ended up using a tripod. :bsmilie:

:nono: :nono:

You don't know how to use IS! :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[drakon09]

Hmm maybe hor.. :think:

:sticktong

 

[VSonic06]

Dunno about that, my buddies from camp shooting Canon tell me that the only thing IS is good for is draining battery power.. :dunno:

That is true for the Panasonic 14-50 as well if you set OIS to continuous operation. In-body "Shake Reduction" on the Pentax K10D is very effective and quite power efficient as it only kick in during exposure.

IS in the E-510 operate in similar principle but uses micro motors instead of solenoids so I believe it should be even more energy friendly but not sure about its effectiveness until its available for testing.

 

[cosycatus]

The guys from camp own IS lenses, but they're constantly complaining that its a total waste of moolah.

Maybe we're just old-fashioned.. :bsmilie:

take it from a guy who use a lot of IS lens on canon system...it works.

You can't except it to perform miracles either too...Most guys expect that with IS, they can move the cam around and always get sharp pics. Most of the time, i find it work well when u hold it steady for 1,2 seconds then shoot.

Beautiful sharp pics at 1/20...easily.
and your stuff about less sharp pics with IS....dun mislead others. It dun work that way. A e510 is a perfectly good investment as far as i think...Might even switch to olympus considering the good ISO performance an a F2.0 zoom comming..somemore with IS...

 

[drakon09]

take it from a guy who use a lot of IS lens on canon system...it works.

You can't except it to perform miracles either too...Most guys expect that with IS, they can move the cam around and always get sharp pics. Most of the time, i find it work well when u hold it steady for 1,2 seconds then shoot.

Beautiful sharp pics at 1/20...easily.
and your stuff about less sharp pics with IS....dun mislead others. It dun work that way. A e510 is a perfectly good investment as far as i think...Might even switch to olympus considering the good ISO performance an a F2.0 zoom comming..somemore with IS...

Mislead?

Nah, if there's a moving element, there's always degradation.

Just ask the Canon fellas (and I hang out with quite a few of them) using the 70-200mm f2.8L with and without IS.

Anyway, Hacker has already explained it the clearest where the benefits of IS are concerned.

 

[drakon09]

:bsmilie:

They jealous!

Go for the E510, I got so hooked on IS from the H2 that I don't think I want to leave it out of the loop, even though I might not use it much. =D

You know, if I didn't get the K100D, I might have saved up a little more and gotten E510, especially since I've spent a little bit more on dust-problems. Itchy fingers like to open up to see what's inside the body. :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

You COULD open up the K100D... :think:

 

[Kid Shotter]

The IS work when Pan since E510 can be set to 1 axis correction only.I love IS,try at the Canon roadshow(70-200mm F4L IS USM) and i love it.

 

[Mikefellh]

If you have steady hands, IS helps about 1 stop. Not so good hands, you get about 3-4 stops, and that only if the shutter speed is slow.

What would you say about steady hands at 1/50th with a 500mm lens? :bsmilie:

When I bought my 500mm f/8 mirror lens I tried it out in the store, and even at ISO1600 I could only get 1/50th...unprocessed 100% crop:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/Mikefellh/OM_lenses/500mmF8Handheld50th.jpg

Considering the noise, focal length, and long exposure it's not that bad.

 

[wind30]

If you have steady hands, IS helps about 1 stop. Not so good hands, you get about 3-4 stops, and that only if the shutter speed is slow.

not really. I owned a nikon 70-300 VR2 and I find that it has HUGE benefits IF your hands is steady.

If I shoot at 300mm handheld, the best I can do is around 1/80 consistently.

If I braced against a vertical object like wall, lamp post, I can shoot much lower like 1/10 (if I rem correctly) consistently.

From what I remember I was really surprised by how low my shutter speed can go once I braced myself against something. Maybe once you brace yourself, the shake is much more simple to compensate as one of the axis of shake is removed.

Is is definately useful. Considering how much more expensive a lens is if it is brighter by one stop, 3-4 stops of extra shutter time is definately worth it. waiting for the 510 body or my next overseas trip.