E3 versus E30 Kit

[diCam]

Another practical point is the multi-aspect ratio in the E30.

When one prints at the shop a 4R size print for 4:3 pics, they tend to crop. The alternative is to have uneven borders or worse still distortion. Unless it is what they call "Jumbo 4R". Most of them here in SG still uses the 3:2 aspect ratio.

If you have know your gear well you wouldn't have this problem when printing in 4/3 aspect ratio. In fact the sensor size of most digital compacts available today is in 4/3 aspect ratio.

 

[mactigasuku]

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[*]http://www.olympus.co.uk/consumer/dslr_digital_slr_specs_e-30_20269.htm says Truepic III. There is nothing about Truepic III+. Maybe you know more than they do... :dunno:

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Actually on the UK website it does mention TruePic III+

" ...Image quality par excellence
A newly-developed, 12.3 Megapixel Live MOS sensor guarantees the capture of all image details, right down to the smallest minutiae. Based on proven MOS signal amplification technologies, the sensor boasts low power consumption properties to enable fulltime Live View usage. The E-30’s new TruePic III+ image processor ensures ultra-high processing speeds together with professional image quality. This includes enhanced tonal gradation, colour fidelity and many possibilities for creative expression thanks to the Art Filters - while reducing image noise."

 

[mactigasuku]

If you have know your gear well you wouldn't have this problem when printing in 4/3 aspect ratio. In fact the sensor size of most digital compacts available today is in 4/3 aspect ratio.

Am not sure what you meant by this ... :dunno:

Or rather what do you do to address the issue?

 

[diCam]

Am not sure what you meant by this ... :dunno:

Or rather what do you do to address the issue?

After you shot with Olympus E-System or most of the digital compacts and if you want to print it at the lab, just tell that person to print in 'DSC' or '4R Digital' paper size as this size is in 4/3 aspect ratio. In this case what you had printed is what you had shot. In the case of 4R paper size, simply tell the lab not to crop the image. You will see border in this case as it will be printed in 4/3 aspect ratio.

IIRC, the paper size of 6R is also in 4/3 aspect ratio.

 

[mactigasuku]

Another practical point is the multi-aspect ratio in the E30.

When one prints at the shop a 4R size print for 4:3 pics, they tend to crop. The alternative is to have uneven borders or worse still distortion. Unless it is what they call "Jumbo 4R". Most of them here in SG still uses the 3:2 aspect ratio.

After you shot with Olympus E-System or most of the digital compacts and if you want to print it at the lab, just tell that person to print in 'DSC' or '4R Digital' paper size as this size is in 4/3 aspect ratio. In this case what you had printed is what you had shot. In the case of 4R paper size, simply tell the lab not to crop the image. You will see border in this case as it will be printed in 4/3 aspect ratio.

IIRC, the paper size of 6R is also in 4/3 aspect ration.

But that was my point.

Most people print 4R ( I do anyway ... 6R is definitely too expensive for me ). If you print standard 4R, it'll be cropped or you'll get uneven borders (not very nice IMHO). And DSC/Digital 4R or "Jumbo 4R" is more expensive. More expensive albums and more expensive prints. Or maybe you have a lobang for better price (or equivalent priced even) DSC prints :dunno:

 

[diCam]

But that was my point.

Most people print 4R ( I do anyway ... 6R is definitely too expensive for me ). If you print standard 4R, it'll be cropped or you'll get uneven borders (not very nice IMHO). And DSC/Digital 4R or "Jumbo 4R" is more expensive. More expensive albums and more expensive prints. Or maybe you have a lobang for better price (or equivalent priced even) DSC prints :dunno:

Most people come from shooting with a film compact and it is in 3/2 aspect ratio and because of this these people still have the old mind set and print their photos in 4R. They are not educated on the aspect ratio issues.

Hey, check around. The price of 4R and 4R Digital is the same at some labs. The largest price difference I've come across is only 5 cents.

 

[mactigasuku]

Most people come from shooting with a film compact and it is in 3/2 aspect ratio and because of this these people still have the old mind set and print their photos in 4R. They are not educated on the aspect ratio issues.

Hey, check around. The price of 4R and 4R Digital is the same at some labs. The largest price difference I've come across is only 5 cents.

The most popular size for film cameras was 3R whereas for digital it is 4R. I guess it is partly because of the aspect ratio where even if cropping occurs it is not very obvious (in fact until I mentioned it, some of my colleagues were not even aware of it).

I think the main cause of the price differential is prob the labs. Also the fact that Digital 4R is actually bigger and hence uses more paper and dye may contribute to the cost. The other practical issue are the albums. Once I printed in Digital 4R and my wife went to buy the album. It is far easier and cheaper to get decent "normal" 4R albums than digital albums in SG, according to her .... and now I am back to "normal" 4R ....... or maybe anyone with lobang here ..... :dunno:

 

[mactigasuku]

I guess the UK staff slipped up this time.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1430&fl=2

Or the USA...

Sigh .... or the rest of the world .... you really need more links ?

 

[mactigasuku]

I don't think anyone is making any claims as to the final IQ of the E30. As in the earlier part of the discussion, some of us are just trying to reiterate that the E30 is a different camera from the E3 - not a dumbed down E3.

BUT I would be surprised if the IQ is LESS than the E3. I guess it'll be equivalent or even better. It is after all a different sensor and an upgraded processor. And yes, it is TruePic III+.

In this review, the IQ seems decent up to ISO 800 in bad light and ?1600 in good lighting (though to my less trained eyes, I would say 400 for bad light and 800 for good light ...:dunno: ). But if the sensor is the same as in the coming E30 then, it does seem to indicate good IQ ......

Wrong camera. Not an E-30.

... if the sensor is the same as in the coming E30 ...

 

[mactigasuku]

As I said, the processor MUST be different to handle more MP. Time will tell if better than the E-3...

BTW, I was looking at tech specs, but thanks for the text.

So ... if the processor MUST be different then it must be different from a TruePic III .... did you say that :dunno:

 

[mactigasuku]

Another practical point is the multi-aspect ratio in the E30.

When one prints at the shop a 4R size print for 4:3 pics, they tend to crop. The alternative is to have uneven borders or worse still distortion. Unless it is what they call "Jumbo 4R". Most of them here in SG still uses the 3:2 aspect ratio.

I was going to add that as an additional plus for the E-30 but then I decided not to. That function is nothing else than croping the image which easily can be done in any software. It also reduces the number of MP and I think it is for people who don't know how to get images printed. I understand some people will see that as a plus, I don't.

Practical.

Anyone said that it is a plus or minus?

Somehow I get this feeling that not a few people just can't get over this thread discussion on the differences between the E3 and the E30. I don't think anyone is saying which is actually better than the other ..... other than several E3 users .... :dunno:

 

[sketchwind1412]

I want both because very cool camera

 

[dorts]

Relax man! Sounds like some internal conflict. :bsmilie: E-3 vs E-30. :bsmilie:

 

[aryanto]

About the adjustable aspect ratio, if the viewfinder adjust (or at least has some indication) so what you see is what you get than that is good. Minimise editing.
If not, then it might bring disappointment when someone see chopped head or other body parts

 

[SleepingIdol]

The most popular size for film cameras was 3R whereas for digital it is 4R. I guess it is partly because of the aspect ratio where even if cropping occurs it is not very obvious (in fact until I mentioned it, some of my colleagues were not even aware of it).

I think the main cause of the price differential is prob the labs. Also the fact that Digital 4R is actually bigger and hence uses more paper and dye may contribute to the cost. The other practical issue are the albums. Once I printed in Digital 4R and my wife went to buy the album. It is far easier and cheaper to get decent "normal" 4R albums than digital albums in SG, according to her .... and now I am back to "normal" 4R ....... or maybe anyone with lobang here ..... :dunno:

Actually I share the concern of "Mactigasuku". Basically printing to 4/3 size (jumbor 4R) is not really an issue but the issue will arise when you doing weddings where most of the prints are in 4R and Albums with 4R Slots are plentiful and with many designs.. Album with Jumbo 4R? Very limited... If for personal use no problem, if not this will be a main concern.

So, with the E-30, the different aspect ratio which includes 3:2, how the turn out going to be in a file is what concerns me. If it is just in the viewfinder but when saved in the file still in 4/3 size, then we still need to crop it. Or maybe I'm wrong.. :dunno:

Thanks...

 

[spidey89]

Actually I share the concern of "Mactigasuku". Basically printing to 4/3 size (jumbor 4R) is not really an issue but the issue will arise when you doing weddings where most of the prints are in 4R and Albums with 4R Slots are plentiful and with many designs.. Album with Jumbo 4R? Very limited... If for personal use no problem, if not this will be a main concern.

So, with the E-30, the different aspect ratio which includes 3:2, how the turn out going to be in a file is what concerns me. If it is just in the viewfinder but when saved in the file still in 4/3 size, then we still need to crop it. Or maybe I'm wrong.. :dunno:

Thanks...

i feel that actually right,more or less,the picture will come out in the aspect ratio chosen by cropping but retaining the same pixel or maybe not.and the view finder i feel is most unlikely to change unless it's EVF,that's what i feel anyway

 

[diCam]

Actually I share the concern of "Mactigasuku". Basically printing to 4/3 size (jumbor 4R) is not really an issue but the issue will arise when you doing weddings where most of the prints are in 4R and Albums with 4R Slots are plentiful and with many designs.. Album with Jumbo 4R? Very limited... If for personal use no problem, if not this will be a main concern.

So, with the E-30, the different aspect ratio which includes 3:2, how the turn out going to be in a file is what concerns me. If it is just in the viewfinder but when saved in the file still in 4/3 size, then we still need to crop it. Or maybe I'm wrong.. :dunno:

Thanks...

I think I'd said it earlier that the capability of shooting in various aspect ratio with E-30 lies in the LV. Only shooting with LV then you are able to view the effect of the aspect ratio that a user has set. The cannot see it through the OVF, it is still in 4/3 aspect ratio. As Olyflyer had mentioned in his earlier post that shooting in aspect ratio other than 4/3 is just cropping from the sensor via firmware. At least, this is what I've gathered from the information made available via Olympus' official release.

 

[spidey89]

I think I'd said it earlier that the capability of shooting in various aspect ratio with E-30 lies in the LV. Only shooting with LV then you are able to view the effect of the aspect ratio that a user has set. The cannot see it through the OVF, it is still in 4/3 aspect ratio. As Olyflyer had mentioned in his earlier post that shooting in aspect ratio other than 4/3 is just cropping from the sensor via firmware. At least, this is what I've gathered from the information made available via Olympus' official release.

makes sense actually,reminds me of LX2 and LX3,both aspect ratios of 4:3, 3:2 and 16:9 can be seen from LV only

 

[Teo]

This the the best option I found so far on the E-30 wich I would love to have in the E-3. I don't understand why it took so long for Olympus to realize the need for it and to implement this simple thing.

A built in spirit level.

Simple reason......Marketing

If they were to release a camera with ALL the function, then consumers will have nothing to look forward. Most important of all is that they are unable to make $$ if consumer don't upgrade to new models. So they will just add on a bit here and there for every new models.

 

[Teo]

This the the best option I found so far on the E-30 wich I would love to have in the E-3. I don't understand why it took so long for Olympus to realize the need for it and to implement this simple thing.
A built in spirit level.

Simple reason......Marketing

If they were to release a camera with ALL the function, then consumers will have nothing to look forward. Most important of all is that they are unable to make $$ if consumer don't upgrade to new models. So they will just add on a bit here and there for every new models.