E-330 horizontal banding and lackadaisical Oly support

[microcosm]

Latest news from 1 minute ago... they're changing the NMOS sensor of my unit.

Any last minute update?

 

[speedblade]

oh wow .... that's almost like brain surgery!

Good luck and hope it's fixed.

 

[cjtune]

oh wow .... that's almost like brain surgery!

Good luck and hope it's fixed.

Do you know of anybody that came back as the same person after brain surgery..? :faint:

 

[cjtune]

Any last minute update?

Nothing much to update.. The news that Olympus support has decided to change the sensor came a couple of hours ago. Not sure when I can get my camera back.

Meanwhile, I'll just try to have fun with my imperfect but still very much better loaned E-330 unit. I think it deserves a sensor change too when it gets returned home. I took many ISO 1600 pics at some event recently. Nearly all were banding free or had just slight banding. Only a few had it bad, like this one below:

 

[speedblade]

Do you know of anybody that came back as the same person after brain surgery..? :faint:

Frankenstein... ??

Dun worry! I'm sure they'll cherry pick the best to put it in.

 

[cjtune]

Frankenstein... ??

Dun worry! I'm sure they'll cherry pick the best to put it in.

Hehe that's a nice thought.. but if they could, they'd give me a totally new E-330 body by now..
Worse-come-to-worst, I don't mind keeping the loaned body but the LCD screen needs replacement. There's some abrasion of the anti-glare layer due to too many people's noses rubbing against it -not my nose as I usually use my right eye so I can still look at the big picture with my left eye.

 

[Blu-By-U]

....-not my nose as I usually use my right eye so I can still look at the big picture with my left eye.

Blu wonders how you would look like framing a shot???Are you lefthanded?

 

[microcosm]

Blu wonders how you would look like framing a shot???Are you lefthanded?

Different people has different "master eye". But shooters are all "right handed"... :bsmilie:

 

[Blu-By-U]

Please do forgive blu...blu not insulting cjtune but actually wants to learn from him. Reason being you can actually see the big view of what you are shooting. This is especially true when zooming into an object.

Many many winters ago, when blu was learning archery, the instructor actually ask blu to learn to have both eyes open. 1 to see the big view and the other to aim. He states that Hunters do that!!!.:bigeyes:

 

[microcosm]

Please do forgive blu...blu not insulting cjtune but actually wants to learn from him. Reason being you can actually see the big view of what you are shooting. This is especially true when zooming into an object.

Many many winters ago, when blu was learning archery, the instructor actually ask blu to learn to have both eyes open. 1 to see the big view and the other to aim. He states that Hunters do that!!!.:bigeyes:

Of course, I understood your question, Blu.

Many photographers practise this, especially photojournalists. Same for many who are into archery and shooting (firearms). This is to help one to be more aware of their surroundings.

 

[NMSS_2]

my master eye is on the right but i compose my shots with my left. :think:

 

[microcosm]

my master eye is on the right but i compose my shots with my left. :think:

You are surely an interesting one! :thumbsup:

 

[Blu-By-U]

Problem is blu may the same. See all with the right but cam peep thru with the left. So does it mean shoot with the left? So nose on the E-330's LCD!!!! and right blocked by the cam.

 

[microcosm]

Problem is blu may the same. See all with the right but cam peep thru with the left. So does it mean shoot with the left? So nose on the E-330's LCD!!!! and right blocked by the cam.

This is something you have to re-train yourself. There is really no solution to it.

 

[cjtune]

This is something you have to re-train yourself. There is really no solution to it.

Having to use the viewfinder was already a big retraining for me when I stepped into the world of (D)SLR photography from digital compacts... moving from my master left eye to the weaker right eye was prompted by me noticing how much grease gets build up on my LCD screen (luckily has a protective sheet) after a sweaty afternoon of snapping photos. I have an oily face.. :embrass:

 

[cjtune]

Hmm, found this interesting thread on the Panasonic DMC-L1's early sample photos, on DPReview:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=19208536&changemode=1

Seems like banding is also observed for it -resize the ISO800 and ISO1600 pics smaller to see. However, the 'quality' (misnomer?) of its high-ISO banded noise seems to be one of finer pitch that of my E-330 (big fuzzy lines). The L1's patterned noise is like printing on common cloth while the E-330's is like printing on gunny sack burlap.

Common problem afflicting the early batches of the NMOS sensor used by both the L1 and E-330?

 

[Blu-By-U]

Think you gotta ask tomcat to set to ISO1600 and EV -3 then shoot his ceiling.

Could it be the reason why a CCD is used in the new Oly instead of NMOS?

 

[cjtune]

Think you gotta ask tomcat to set to ISO1600 and EV -3 then shoot his ceiling.

Could it be the reason why a CCD is used in the new Oly instead of NMOS?

-3 EV is quite excessive. I can see banding at -0.7EV already, using smart metering.

Banding or not, CCD or NMOS or CMOS, any wise company would prefer not to be held hostage by just having one supplier for a very critical component.

 

[Blu-By-U]

Extreme so that the banding will show..if not then like Oly says, it's the software that needs tuning. (plus Uncle Tomcat will be really heartbroken if it shows on his new L1)

 

[cjtune]

Will be getting back my repaired E-330 this week... any tips to check for what might not have been put together again properly?