Does 450D w/ 50mm F1.8 MkII & Hoya 52mm IR filter work?

[lewisfoo]

Hi guys, I've been reading the threads and stickies(definitely a great help) in this IR forum.. and I'm really interested in trying IR photography out..

I currently have a Canon 450D w/ kit lens(cant work for IR) and 50mm F1.8 MkII(works for IR).. Also got a simple canon tripod.. So I guess all that's needed it the Hoya IR filter right?

I did the test on my TV remote and it show up as a pink LED using my 450D & 50mm, so I suppose this means that my 450D works for colour IR photography? (I'm asking this cause the sticky didnt state 450D in there, I guess the info there might be a little dated..)

Yup.. So I just wanted to seek you guys' advice before spending the ~$30 on the Hoya filter and finding out it doesn't work..

One last thing, if using my 50mm lens, if I'm doing portraiture of a person, (I suppose set to F1.8), how many seconds approx should the exposure be?

Thanks in advance for the help guys..

-Lewis

 

[denniskee]

all canon dslr needs extremely long exposure.

there will be people telling you canon dslr can do ir photography, but they never tell you their camera has been modified, ie the low pass filter has been removed.

i have had people trying to prove my 1st statement wrong, showing me their photos that with normal exposure. but when challenged, than they reveal that their camera had been mod.

moral of the story, take what you read from the net with a pinch of salt, unless you personally know the one giving you info is worth his salt.

 

[teerex]

all canon dslr needs extremely long exposure.

Not modified, Yes.

there will be people telling you canon dslr can do ir photography, but they never tell you their camera has been modified, ie the low pass filter has been removed.

Do not agree with this statement. Take a look at THIS THREAD. I am very sure that those IR photos were shot with an unmodified Canon 20D. Look at the EXIFs, take note of the exposure times.

i have had people trying to prove my 1st statement wrong, showing me their photos that with normal exposure. but when challenged, than they reveal that their camera had been mod.

IR modified, possible with normal exposure times.

moral of the story, take what you read from the net with a pinch of salt, unless you personally know the one giving you info is worth his salt.

Don't only read/listen. Try it yourself and prove them wrong.

...unless you personally know the one giving you info is worth his salt.

Would you like to elaborate on this statement?

 

[lewisfoo]

Hmmm.. Thanks for the input guys.. Maybe I'll go get myself a Hoya IR filter just to try out and see the results la.. I'm definitely not gonna modifying my camera right now.. Just that the "effects" or IR photography are so beautiful! just makes me wanna try...

P.S. Erm.. I didnt really get a proper answer for how long exposure(in the range of a few seconds? or like tens of seconds?) should i have with my 50mm F1.8 lens.. anyone?

 

[teerex]

I didnt really get a proper answer for how long exposure(in the range of a few seconds? or like tens of seconds?) should i have with my 50mm F1.8 lens.. anyone?

With the kind permission of PandaOng whose photos are in the link in my previous post.

Here is a repost of 2 of the photos with EXIFs for you to gauge. EXIFs edited to exclude irrelevant details to your query.

Make = Canon
Model = Canon EOS 20D
Date Time = 2007-10-14 22:24:27

Exposure Time = 30"
F Number = F8
Exposure Program = Manual
ISO Speed Ratings = 100
Exposure Bias Value = ±0EV
Metering Mode = Pattern
Focal Length = 20mm

Make = Canon
Model = Canon EOS 20D
Date Time = 2007-10-14 22:30:47


Exposure Time = 30"
F Number = F8
Exposure Program = Manual
ISO Speed Ratings = 100
Exposure Bias Value = ±0EV
Metering Mode = Pattern
Focal Length = 19mm

 

[lewisfoo]

Thanks so much for the info teerex...

 

[PandaOng]

all canon dslr needs extremely long exposure.

there will be people telling you canon dslr can do ir photography, but they never tell you their camera has been modified, ie the low pass filter has been removed.

i have had people trying to prove my 1st statement wrong, showing me their photos that with normal exposure. but when challenged, than they reveal that their camera had been mod.

moral of the story, take what you read from the net with a pinch of salt, unless you personally know the one giving you info is worth his salt.

Hi dennis,
you are right that Canon required extremely long exposure as there is the low pass filter. I am sadden that you are being led and proven that all the IR pictures with Canon DSLR are with modded camera. I guess the salt that had being given out to you has been rotten.

Dear Lewis,
I have not personnally tested the 450D to achieve the IR effect. but generally they should be fine. you will need to set the correct white balance which you are then able to open up your aperture and shoot at 1s/2s exposure.

i would generally shoot at f8 - f11 and that is why my exposure is generally about 20-30s. I strongly agree with Teerex comment "Don't only read/listen. Try it yourself and prove them wrong."

 

[Dennis]

Panda any handheld from Canon ??.
I come to know not all Canon are created equal especially the new ones.

Hi dennis,
you are right that Canon required extremely long exposure as there is the low pass filter. I am sadden that you are being led and proven that all the IR pictures with Canon DSLR are with modded camera. I guess the salt that had being given out to you has been rotten.

Dear Lewis,
I have not personnally tested the 450D to achieve the IR effect. but generally they should be fine. you will need to set the correct white balance which you are then able to open up your aperture and shoot at 1s/2s exposure.

i would generally shoot at f8 - f11 and that is why my exposure is generally about 20-30s. I strongly agree with Teerex comment "Don't only read/listen. Try it yourself and prove them wrong."

 

[lewisfoo]

Hi PandaOng, Thanks so much for your input(and your pics as well).. I'm quite set on getting a 52mm Hoya R72 filter for myself to try out...

The sad thing is that I've called many of the camera shops and they don't seem to have stock... =(

Only one place had, and only 1 last piece left.. maybe I'll head there tomm to get it.. Will post my pics when/if I get the hang of IR photography.

-Lewis

 

[denniskee]

Would you like to elaborate on this statement?

well, not in this site, there were people (i dont know them) showing me their ir photos eg, portrait shots, telling me i can do it with a regular d60, and that i am wrong to say regular d60 cant do a portrait shots (how to ask model to stay still for seconds.:dunno. until i keep pressing them for the exif data, than they admit their camera are modified.

basically, i meant there are lots of 1/2 pass 6 people who acts as though they know (who know, maybe trying to impress others). so when asking for tech advice, get it from people whom you know they know their stuff.

i also new to ir photography, so i asked my friends who has been doing it for sometime. thats what i mean.

not related to ir photography, just to illustrate what i meant, there was a cute guy who tell people cf tripod is brittle like glass.:bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[denniskee]

Do not agree with this statement. Take a look at THIS THREAD. I am very sure that those IR photos were shot with an unmodified Canon 20D. Look at the EXIFs, take note of the exposure times.

sorry, i think i wasnt being clear on this, i know they can do it, but need long exposure, so cant stop motion blur.

 

[teerex]

sorry, i think i wasnt being clear on this, i know they can do it, but need long exposure, so cant stop motion blur.

Thank you Dennis for your clarifications.

Yes I agree with you that there are many people out there who give false information about their IR shots. Especially so when you do not see any EXIFs or if you don't know them personally.

IR portraits may be possible with a non modified Nikon (D70) as the camera requires a much shorter exposure time as compared to most others.

 

[PandaOng]

Panda any handheld from Canon ??.
I come to know not all Canon are created equal especially the new ones.

You mean my new baby? soon bro....soon.

 

[teerex]

You mean my new baby? soon bro....soon.

Ya, yet to see IR pics from that. Can post unprocessed and processed?

 

[lewisfoo]

Hi again guys.. I managed to go down to MS to get the R72 filter for $36.. Was the last piece too.. Anyways, after abt 30 mins or trial and error and also reading CS and a guide in flickr(Posted in the IR 350D thread), I managed to do the Custom WB thing correctly..

Thanks once again for all the help and assistance guys! Will try to take a "nice-ish" pic to post..

-Lewis

 

[teerex]

:thumbsup: Way to go.

Just remember, shooting IR is just half the fun. The other is in the post processing.

Have Fun.

 

[lewisfoo]

:thumbsup: Way to go.

Just remember, shooting IR is just half the fun. The other is in the post processing.

Have Fun.

Hi guys!

I managed to get some shots done today, but they still seem to have something missing/done wrong..

I think a photo will show more than I can explain..

(Btw, the auntie in this pic very "li4 hai4", practically never move for 10sec, and she's not sleeping hor.. ;p, she'd reading a book)

It just doesn't look right, I think I might still have not got the hang of the Custom WB yet, or insufficient Post Processing done.. (I just did a simple Auto Contrast -> Red/Blue Channel Switch)

I've got more photos and also the intermediate photos at my flickr set if any of you are interested to see.. (maybe can tell me what I'm doing wrong as well..)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21212476@N08/sets/72157612237291902/

Anyways, I still have loads to learn from you guys and much more self learning to do by shooting/PP more..

-Lewis

 

[teerex]

I'm not much of a guy in giving comments. Still have a lot to learn in terms of compositions and shooting.

Here'r are my observations for your 2 pics:-

As long as you have your WB done, there's no right or wrong in terms of post processing. You have your own preferences. So the 2 pics are ok.

#1
There seems to be some lack of sharpness and contrast here.

#2
Watch out for the tilt. Still lacking in sharpness and contrast.

This is the first time I see yellow/brownish foliage with a R72. Shoot some scenes with sky and water, see how they turn out.

 

[garth6]

i get the same yellow brownish stuff too... using canon 40D with hoya R72 and kit lens.. after a few tries decided to go B&W instead.. lcant really stand the yellowish trees..

i still love my ex-fuji s6500fd regardless of the hotspot i get..

this is without process

this is with process

this is from fuji cam

and this is frm pentax k10D, after channel swapping n abit of sky editing(blueish)

 

[Duchovny]

Well I do have a Canon 40D that is not IR converted and my 1st tests are here http://duchovny.deviantart.com/gallery/#Infra-Red this was my 1st time shooting IR and i also live in Ireland so i strugle with light but i think they are not that bad, and the trees are not yelloish.

And answering the 1st post you will be able to shoot in IR but depending of the light you will have I still think its going to be hard to get a photo of someone without a converted camera.