[ Discuss ] What is the attraction of Sony A7 compare to m43?

[ageha]

http://photographylife.com/reviews/fuji-xf-35mm-f1-4/3

This article was illuminating.

Further, Sony itself stated that they are using some new-fangled "diffraction reducing" algorithm to suppress the effects of diffraction so YES, they admitted up front that they are using some MTF enhancing algorithms. Don't believe? Read: http://www.sony.com.sg/product/ilce-7 Search for "Find out how α7 achieves extraordinary realistic detail »"

I don't get the point what the Fujifilm reviewer is complaining about. He's complaining about cooked jpg output? I don't see that as a bad thing, jpg isn't supposed to be an 8bit representation of raw. If I use jpg I simply want images which look as good as possible out of the camera.

The Sony text doesn't tell us any technical specifics, it reads just like typical marketing nonsense. Maybe you can elaborate on the text and explain the technical details how it's implemented please. The technical facts are probably less impressive and the implementation more trivial than it sounds. I guess we're talking about jpg only again anyway...

 

[ricleo]

http://photographylife.com/reviews/fuji-xf-35mm-f1-4/3

This article was illuminating.

Further, Sony itself stated that they are using some new-fangled "diffraction reducing" algorithm to suppress the effects of diffraction so YES, they admitted up front that they are using some MTF enhancing algorithms. Don't believe? Read: http://www.sony.com.sg/product/ilce-7 Search for "Find out how α7 achieves extraordinary realistic detail »"

wonderful hehe..... using a fuji lens review to talk about sony and m4/3

you know these algorithms are for their jpeg bionz engine. don't want to embrace new technology affecting your images? shoot in raw then.

defraction reduction is a MTF enhancing algorithm? defraction only occurs at small apertures. how do you explain good MTF charts at F2.8 then, plus this lens is a Zeiss design, the lens has to reach certain minimum standards before bearing the Zeiss logo.

anyway i'm not sure if review sites test MTF or lens sharpness using JPG or RAW typically, but it will be easy to find out real performance vs jpg engine enhanced performance comparing jpg vs raw files.

 

[kei1309]

http://photographylife.com/reviews/fuji-xf-35mm-f1-4/3

This article was illuminating.

Further, Sony itself stated that they are using some new-fangled "diffraction reducing" algorithm to suppress the effects of diffraction so YES, they admitted up front that they are using some MTF enhancing algorithms. Don't believe? Read: http://www.sony.com.sg/product/ilce-7 Search for "Find out how α7 achieves extraordinary realistic detail »"

That only occurs when you use smaller apertures. And only if the camera can detect the f-stop. So if you're using legacy lenses with no contact pins, i don't see the camera activating it. That's what i surmise from “diffraction", which happens at smaller apertures.

By the way, i only shoot raw, and you don't use this camera. so i don't know what's your beef with it at all

Don't like it, don't complain about it and stop whining like a little girl

 

[microcosm]

That only occurs when you use smaller apertures. And only if the camera can detect the f-stop. So if you're using legacy lenses with no contact pins, i don't see the camera activating it. That's what i surmise from “diffraction", which happens at smaller apertures.

By the way, i only shoot raw, and you don't use this camera. so i don't know what's your beef with it at all

Don't like it, don't complain about it and stop whining like a little girl

Glad you made the point, but do take a chill pill. Thank you.

 

[kei1309]

Glad you made the point, but do take a chill pill. Thank you.

i'm quite chill right now. the airport is very cold.

 

[microcosm]

i'm quite chill right now. the airport is very cold.

That's great to know.

 

[NazgulKing]

That only occurs when you use smaller apertures. And only if the camera can detect the f-stop. So if you're using legacy lenses with no contact pins, i don't see the camera activating it. That's what i surmise from “diffraction", which happens at smaller apertures.

By the way, i only shoot raw, and you don't use this camera. so i don't know what's your beef with it at all

Don't like it, don't complain about it and stop whining like a little girl

Nonsense. Diffraction is limit that imposes the upper most theoretical performance of any optic. When one says an optic is "Diffraction Limited", it means it is performing the best it can at the given aperture. But since any diffraction limited optic is too expensive for mere mortals except governments with bloated military budgets, anything that even approaches diffraction limiting performance wide open is to be treated with extreme suspicion. The only reason why people keep talking about diffraction limiting performance at lower apertures is because the Airy disk has reached a size comparable to the size of the sensor pixel.

And I will complain when I like it thank you, since most fools are too ignorant to know the difference between real technical details and the noise that marketing depts like to spout out.

 

[NazgulKing]

I don't get the point what the Fujifilm reviewer is complaining about. He's complaining about cooked jpg output? I don't see that as a bad thing, jpg isn't supposed to be an 8bit representation of raw. If I use jpg I simply want images which look as good as possible out of the camera.

He ain't complaining. Singaporeans can't distinguish between critique and a complaint as usual.

The point is that Fujifilm most certainly applies sharpening algorithms to give the appearance of excellent sharpness when the raw speaks otherwise. That itself imposes a limitation on a user who would like to use the raw to manipulate what he gets out of the camera.

The Sony text doesn't tell us any technical specifics, it reads just like typical marketing nonsense. Maybe you can elaborate on the text and explain the technical details how it's implemented please. The technical facts are probably less impressive and the implementation more trivial than it sounds. I guess we're talking about jpg only again anyway...

Most likely Sony does the same thing as Fuji does. But no, I think Sony cooks the raw as well.

 

[wonglp]

I'm sure many had enjoyed having a Sony thread in m43 forum and the difference/pros & cons between each system, so before this spiral down into an ugly dispute, kindly note the tones and stay on the thread, else it would be disappointing if the moderators have to step in to close this thread. Thank you very much and merry christmas

 

[kei1309]

He ain't complaining. Singaporeans can't distinguish between critique and a complaint as usual.

The point is that Fujifilm most certainly applies sharpening algorithms to give the appearance of excellent sharpness when the raw speaks otherwise. That itself imposes a limitation on a user who would like to use the raw to manipulate what he gets out of the camera.


Most likely Sony does the same thing as Fuji does. But no, I think Sony cooks the raw as well.

Bro Ageha ain't no Singaporean. there you go making your assumptions.

also, the link also states that it only kicks in at small apertures. now, i would interpret that as the camera needs to know if a compatible lens is attached. so if i'm a user of 3rd party lenses/adaptors, i won't see this kicking in.

and again, your assumption is that Sony cooks the RAW files. do you have any proof behind your allegations?

To the Dear Mods:

for me, it was pretty surprising that the A7 Thread has lasted this far in the M4/3 arena, but i suppose the mods should definitely close it because some people in here just love to post assumptions and tears into every single person who tries to compare M4/3 to other brands/formats.

tired of arguing with fanboys who try very hard to prove their own points.

Thanks for your patience though!

 

[seafood]

Not sure why "fanboy" is referred to in a negative manner .......but I love the points and passion brought up here - great points of views by very enthusiastic users! I certainly learned something here.

Anyway .... further reinforced my choice not to get an A7/r body for the time being .....

 

[ageha]

Bro Ageha ain't no Singaporean. there you go making your assumptions.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I almost got a cardiac infarction when I read that. I need a hot sake now.

 

[microcosm]

Must be the bloody alcohol again. Going to ban alcohol use on this forums this weekend... (ha ha ha)...

Kept the thread here because I would love everyone to be educated about the hardware and software used in photography. Despite having a few arguments here and there. Eventually I hope everyone can learn to accept the strengths and weaknesses of their system used and become more educated.

That is part of the process one becomes matured in photography, though many would argue that "I bought a camera just to take pictures, who cares about becoming learned in photography" but for those who are interested, then this kind of thread is for you.

We have survived "FF vs FT" arguments and no one died, no one rioted and no cameras/lens killed in the process, so I guess we can survive a FF mirrorless discussion.

Let's carry on... and Ageha... don't get drunk on sake... though I would love to share a bottle with you someday...

 

[Agrivar]

Must be the bloody alcohol again. Going to ban alcohol use on this forums this weekend... (ha ha ha)...

Kept the thread here because I would love everyone to be educated about the hardware and software used in photography. Despite having a few arguments here and there. Eventually I hope everyone can learn to accept the strengths and weaknesses of their system used and become more educated.

That is part of the process one becomes matured in photography, though many would argue that "I bought a camera just to take pictures, who cares about becoming learned in photography" but for those who are interested, then this kind of thread is for you.

We have survived "FF vs FT" arguments and no one died, no one rioted and no cameras/lens killed in the process, so I guess we can survive a FF mirrorless discussion.

Let's carry on... and Ageha... don't get drunk on sake... though I would love to share a bottle with you someday...

Agree.. all camera systems have issues. All cameras are a compromise (as of now). Just buy what works for you.

 

[keithwee]

Agree.. all camera systems have issues. All cameras are a compromise (as of now). Just buy what works for you.

Yeap , exactly the point I believe in.

For example I'm trying to shoot only using the Q10 for this last week for 2013 haha. Small sensor but then it's all about learning abt the camera and making the best out of it.

 

[Thoth]

Yeap , exactly the point I believe in. For example I'm trying to shoot only using the Q10 for this last week for 2013 haha. Small sensor but then it's all about learning abt the camera and making the best out of it.

Even phone cams make great photos.

 

[keithwee]

Even phone cams make great photos.

Heh , looking at Mod Ortega's photos really true

 

[Agrivar]

Heh , looking at Mod Ortega's photos really true

Phone cams are truly "with you" all the time. Heck. My iphone5 can do panoramas OOC while for my gh3 & epl5 I still have do do the stitching manually..

 

[keithwee]

Phone cams are truly "with you" all the time. Heck. My iphone5 can do panoramas OOC while for my gh3 & epl5 I still have do do the stitching manually..

For that I highly recommend the app DMD for panoramas on the iPhone. It free to use unless u need the high res option (up to 40mb) for your images.

The app is what I use when I don't wana do the manual stitching (yes , lazy)

what the app's capable of using the iphone 5 sensor:

 

[Agrivar]

For that I highly recommend the app DMD for panoramas on the iPhone. It free to use unless u need the high res option (up to 40mb) for your images. The app is what I use when I don't wana do the manual stitching (yes , lazy) what the app's capable of using the iphone 5 sensor:

Great shot! Will definitely look at this app! Yep. I'm lazy to do the stitching too