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Pai,
Just my 2 cents. I was in a similiar situation as you are in several months ago on pondering to switch. I had a lot invested in Minolta then -> about 10 lenses in all (i think) but never had a Minolta digital body. It was cheaper for me to switch to a Digital KM body than to switch camp altogether. However, I took the painful route of switching camp as I wanted better focusing speed and softer mirror slap.
With the new system, I bought into their marketing and invested in the so-called "luxury" lens. As a result, I seldom looked into BnS for an upgrade of lens. I have all that I need. If you are constantly looking into upgrading your equipment (ie: calling up shops, checking into BnS), I suggest you bite the bullet and invest in the best of Sony lens. Once the deed is done, you no longer be looking for an upgrade. All focus will be on improving your pics.
Just my 2 cents. I was in a similiar situation as you are in several months ago on pondering to switch. I had a lot invested in Minolta then -> about 10 lenses in all (i think) but never had a Minolta digital body. It was cheaper for me to switch to a Digital KM body than to switch camp altogether. However, I took the painful route of switching camp as I wanted better focusing speed and softer mirror slap.
With the new system, I bought into their marketing and invested in the so-called "luxury" lens. As a result, I seldom looked into BnS for an upgrade of lens. I have all that I need. If you are constantly looking into upgrading your equipment (ie: calling up shops, checking into BnS), I suggest you bite the bullet and invest in the best of Sony lens. Once the deed is done, you no longer be looking for an upgrade. All focus will be on improving your pics.
tankm
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For those with lots of "good" lens and seriously thinking of switching camp, now infact is a good time to do so. Price of 2nd hand "good" KM lens are at it's best right now and there is a good demand for it. This won't change much in the near future. It takes time to build up the second hand market supply. For some "good" lens, this will take a longer time as SONY has yet to announce it's availability. With new SONY users coming onboard, the demand will be more than supply for a good second hand lens.
Only problem for those switching will be to find buyer for the camera body and general consumer grade lens. This is where the greatest lost of $$$ will be felt.
ZCF congratulation on your "Just kena". You are quick and it's a good buy.
Only problem for those switching will be to find buyer for the camera body and general consumer grade lens. This is where the greatest lost of $$$ will be felt.
ZCF congratulation on your "Just kena". You are quick and it's a good buy.
. I just afraid I don't make use of it to do it justice :sweat:Pai,
I know what you feel.. I went through this stage earlier in my venture into Photography.
However, one thing for sure is, once you go out from the stage where you buy thing because you "WANT" it and start pushing yourself to create more with what you have, I am sure brand name means nothing (ok, something, but not the most important part)
Ok, for all of us, I love to buy gear. I am probably the luckiest one because I have access to lots of good second hand gear which my friend pass it to me to sell. However, I must admit that I have more gear than I need.
To me (at present time), When I look at a photograph created by somebody, I see all the quality behind it rather than what gear it was used to create that photograph, because it is really irrelevant what system you use.
Being in Minolta camp, you are probably feel we are being left in the dark with so little in selection of accessories, but the matter of fact is, what different it really make if you use a KM 17-35 f3.5 G or KM 17-35 f2.8-4? really, there is nothing much in terms of creativity and what can be done.
You need to convince yourself that gear is secondary but image is upmost important. Learn the limitation of your gear (yes, every system has limitation), learn how to get around it.
I am not going to make an excuse not to shoot for a paid job if I don't have particular lens... I have to push myself and create something out of what I have, I think this is more important. It is far more challenging to get something when you try hard rather than only rely on the gear.
Don't need to despair, and go out and snap some photos.
Remember, you are in control on your gear, not the other way round, that how we call ourselves photographer.
Ansel adams shoot mostly less than 20 frames and the camera he used doesn't even have shutter speed control. Does it deter him to create some best Landscape phototgraphy which we still admire until today?
I leave the thought to yourself.
Regards,
Hart
I know what you feel.. I went through this stage earlier in my venture into Photography.
However, one thing for sure is, once you go out from the stage where you buy thing because you "WANT" it and start pushing yourself to create more with what you have, I am sure brand name means nothing (ok, something, but not the most important part)
Ok, for all of us, I love to buy gear. I am probably the luckiest one because I have access to lots of good second hand gear which my friend pass it to me to sell. However, I must admit that I have more gear than I need.
To me (at present time), When I look at a photograph created by somebody, I see all the quality behind it rather than what gear it was used to create that photograph, because it is really irrelevant what system you use.
Being in Minolta camp, you are probably feel we are being left in the dark with so little in selection of accessories, but the matter of fact is, what different it really make if you use a KM 17-35 f3.5 G or KM 17-35 f2.8-4? really, there is nothing much in terms of creativity and what can be done.
You need to convince yourself that gear is secondary but image is upmost important. Learn the limitation of your gear (yes, every system has limitation), learn how to get around it.
I am not going to make an excuse not to shoot for a paid job if I don't have particular lens... I have to push myself and create something out of what I have, I think this is more important. It is far more challenging to get something when you try hard rather than only rely on the gear.
Don't need to despair, and go out and snap some photos.
Remember, you are in control on your gear, not the other way round, that how we call ourselves photographer.
Ansel adams shoot mostly less than 20 frames and the camera he used doesn't even have shutter speed control. Does it deter him to create some best Landscape phototgraphy which we still admire until today?
I leave the thought to yourself.
Regards,
Hart
Hahaha... to me it is not a case of brand loyal.
I use whatever is the cheapest and give me the highest possible output. Minolta seems to provide me with high quality items at much cheaper price... (only my opinion).
It is great to belong to a group that only smaller community which are friendlier and have deeper knowledge.
Being different is always what I want to achieve...
Funny thing if you can take that bl**dy shot with Nikon or Canon, you are a great photographer, but if you can achieve it with Minolta gear (which some N &C photographer Minolta is inferior), it is priceless to see that face when you mentioned you use Minolta gear...
Just go out and shoot.. you spent the money might as well using it.
Hart
I use whatever is the cheapest and give me the highest possible output. Minolta seems to provide me with high quality items at much cheaper price... (only my opinion).
It is great to belong to a group that only smaller community which are friendlier and have deeper knowledge.
Being different is always what I want to achieve...
Funny thing if you can take that bl**dy shot with Nikon or Canon, you are a great photographer, but if you can achieve it with Minolta gear (which some N &C photographer Minolta is inferior), it is priceless to see that face when you mentioned you use Minolta gear...
Just go out and shoot.. you spent the money might as well using it.
Hart
Just a little thought from 'the other side'
My first DSLR was a 300D, gave me so much fun in shooting and learning (and of cos, having that dumb brat childish streak as well) until an incident which occurred hit me so hard that I toned down, and wondering abt other things else. If photography's really simply a choice of equipment?
Den I recalled a brand called 'Minolta', decided to give it a try and sold off my 300D, 17-40L (yes, someone out there is still berating me for my bad move) and all my gear and gotten myself a KM5D and everyone was somehow thoroughly convinced by the 'fact' that I had made a very bad move where my choice of cameras was concerned.
During my short 6mth stint with Minolta which it saw action in 2 of my trips to Japan, I saw the World thru the viewfinder, I'd saw things which I'd never thought would be possible, I'd shot things which people would probably think it came off a Canon or Nikon if they do not know what cam I'm using (in fact for ppl who do not know me were like asking what brand of camera I was using and I guess it kinda stunned them a little). During the 6mth stint, I was holding onto the 18-70 lens all along toying with the idea of getting better lenses but never making the move. Every click I make thru my Minolta was pure joy. The community here is great and I dun see N&C wars.
The best part was I'd spent more time during the 6mth compared to the 1+yr I had with Canon really exploring what is the Art of Photography and Capturing Moments is all about more than brand comparison and equipment wanking.
Den along came an irresistable offer for S3Pro, the much vaunted camera with low noise at ISO1600 with a unique sensor design which guarantees (and proven) a wide dynamic range. Thus I decided its time to let go a good friend, a good teacher and above all, a good companion go and take my skill up to level 2.
With a brand that's pretty obscure like 'Fujifilm', though my choices are currently Nikon F mounts, I no longer diss 3rd party brands over 'original brands' (heck, what's 3rd party and what's original. Who decides what is what?) like I used to when I'd just started. I no longer fart on what brands ppl are using and choose to see the picture more over the equipment used.
Thank you Minolta, u have been an excellent teacher to let me see beyond the camera and to the picture. Without u, I guess I would still have been that snooty busturd who thinks holding a DSLR is a big fug.
My first DSLR was a 300D, gave me so much fun in shooting and learning (and of cos, having that dumb brat childish streak as well) until an incident which occurred hit me so hard that I toned down, and wondering abt other things else. If photography's really simply a choice of equipment?
Den I recalled a brand called 'Minolta', decided to give it a try and sold off my 300D, 17-40L (yes, someone out there is still berating me for my bad move) and all my gear and gotten myself a KM5D and everyone was somehow thoroughly convinced by the 'fact' that I had made a very bad move where my choice of cameras was concerned.
During my short 6mth stint with Minolta which it saw action in 2 of my trips to Japan, I saw the World thru the viewfinder, I'd saw things which I'd never thought would be possible, I'd shot things which people would probably think it came off a Canon or Nikon if they do not know what cam I'm using (in fact for ppl who do not know me were like asking what brand of camera I was using and I guess it kinda stunned them a little). During the 6mth stint, I was holding onto the 18-70 lens all along toying with the idea of getting better lenses but never making the move. Every click I make thru my Minolta was pure joy. The community here is great and I dun see N&C wars.
The best part was I'd spent more time during the 6mth compared to the 1+yr I had with Canon really exploring what is the Art of Photography and Capturing Moments is all about more than brand comparison and equipment wanking.
Den along came an irresistable offer for S3Pro, the much vaunted camera with low noise at ISO1600 with a unique sensor design which guarantees (and proven) a wide dynamic range. Thus I decided its time to let go a good friend, a good teacher and above all, a good companion go and take my skill up to level 2.
With a brand that's pretty obscure like 'Fujifilm', though my choices are currently Nikon F mounts, I no longer diss 3rd party brands over 'original brands' (heck, what's 3rd party and what's original. Who decides what is what?) like I used to when I'd just started. I no longer fart on what brands ppl are using and choose to see the picture more over the equipment used.
Thank you Minolta, u have been an excellent teacher to let me see beyond the camera and to the picture. Without u, I guess I would still have been that snooty busturd who thinks holding a DSLR is a big fug.
dr34mc4st3r
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jsbn said:
if only more have the same open-mind as yours :embrass:
sometimes i also feel how would it feel like to switch to Nikon or Canon, the "big" players, but sometimes again it seems fun to be with the "underdogs", to be part of this "smaller" minolta community....not to mention i would have spent a lot more money for the same setup i have now :bsmilie:
For a beer can, 18-70, u'd probably have spent a lot more. :bsmilie:dr34mc4st3r said:
Well, I did contemplated switching back to the big brands after I'd sold my KM5D, but den again, I feel that I'd feel better off shooting what I want in a camera. S3Pro fits the bill perfectly, wide Dynamic Range, unique sensor design, low noise (or I'd say close to zero noise) for high ISO. Heck the brands, juz get the best tool for the job.
Shooting is more like a solitary sport, at least for me. But if I do join outings and stuff, its more of a networking and learning thing. Communication is also an essential photographer's tool.
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