D600 Full Frame announced! (not official yet)

[daredevil123]

D3 sensor

NIKON D3 D 3 CMOS SENSOR NEW ORIGINAL REPAIR PART | eBay

Take care of your Fx bodies fellas PARTICULARLY the sensor... US$1,650.... *gulp*

D3 sensor cost in Singapore to get it replaced is around 1.6k SGD... but I heard from somewhere that.. dealer cost is more like $800+ SGD...

 

[kriegsketten]

D3 sensor cost in Singapore to get it replaced is around 1.6k SGD... but I heard from somewhere that.. dealer cost is more like $800+ SGD...

I see! So, chances are having it "outsourced" the full total will hit close to 1K?

 

[daredevil123]

I see! So, chances are having it "outsourced" the full total will hit close to 1K?

dunno... D3 sensor is really hard to get "outsourced". Even if you can replace it, you need to software and know how to adjust the angle of the sensor....

 

[dardar]

Well Well see if this D600 can change my mind from switching over to Xpro1

 

[daredevil123]

Well Well see if this D600 can change my mind from switching over to Xpro1

It really depends on what you need to accomplish. Xpro1 and DSLRs are 2 very different breeds. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. There are some subjects that xpro1 will be perfect for, but for some, it will struggle to the point of being impossible.

 

[dardar]

It really depends on what you need to accomplish. Xpro1 and DSLRs are 2 very different breeds. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. There are some subjects that xpro1 will be perfect for, but for some, it will struggle to the point of being impossible.

I just started photography a year ago using d90. I feel i am unable to achieve the bokeh i want to achieve using nikon. For xpro1 the colors and the bokeh as well as the design really something i looking for. But the focusing really turn me down.
However if a full frame like d600 is becoming affordable would make me consider again. I usually take landscape and some potrait of my gf and family so not really needing the speed and top notch focusing.

 

[spree86]

I feel i am unable to achieve the bokeh i want to achieve using nikon.

I don't understand this sentence, care to elaborate?

 

[sjackal]

I don't understand this sentence, care to elaborate?

I think he meant the sensor size of DX not enough shallow DOF for him.

Try medium format then.

Btw I thought x-pro rangefinder type of manual focusing is what people looking for?

 

[kriegsketten]

Yeah, quite a blanketing statement... I don't really see the co-relation between the decision for X-Pro1 versus a US$1,500 Fx other than the price itself.

Both are different beasts and serve very different purposes... what you can get in X-Pro1 might not even be delivered in an Fx body. And of course, vice versa.

Regarding bokeh? That's odd... I don't see why D90 + 50/1.4G or 80/1.4G can't deliver the bokeh you seek versus the X-Pro1 + 50/1.4 lens. (Speaking strictly Bokeh and nothing else). Both are crop bodies afterall...

Peeps who are into Nikon DSLRs depend more on RAW files to maximize their imagery rather than to solely relying on jpegs (which seems harder to tweak when certain settings do go wrong or not good enough).

If you prefer nice straight out-of-the-box Jpeg renditions then X-pro1 maybe a better choice instead, if fast-focusing isn't what you need. An Fx will certainly deliver thinner DOF than a crop sensor, but you may be required to depend on RAW files for a bit of tweaking.

 

[kriegsketten]

Don't get me wrong, I'm just further elaborating what Daredevil123 has stated earlier. X-PRO1 is a superb beast on its own (if you can embrace its shortcomings that is). It is a SYSTEM (body AND lenses) to consider, but it can't replace Fx completely, nor can Fx kills it (unless Nikon decides to buy over or collaborates with Fujinon ).

Cheers!

 

[dardar]

not trying to start a Brand war here. maybe you all can enlighten me also help me save money haha.

bokeh, i am looking for a much Creamy bokeh. i know there are sigma 35,50mm that able to provide me that however also turn off by the focusing problems they have.

 

[kriegsketten]

Hard to advice here, coz I do not know what knowledge you have regarding lenses... Have you even tested the Nikkor 50mms here? Go to NSC can give a thorough testing with your D90. You can even try out the latest 85mm/1.8G.

Creamy bokeh requires knowledge of the lenses...

Btw, using the same 50mm/1.4 what is creamy at 0.6 meters away may not even be creamy at 3 meters (goes for all lenses). It is not because of a bad lens or bad brand, but because of the technicalities of using a 50/1.4 lens.

Somehow, you give me the feeling that you need to read up more than jump on any system that looks attractive. Photographs with nice bokehs might fool you into believing that they (the lenses used) are capable of nice bokehs in ALL situation which is never true.

Creamy is also subjective and too broad and loose a term to use...

 

[kriegsketten]

dunno... D3 sensor is really hard to get "outsourced". Even if you can replace it, you need to software and know how to adjust the angle of the sensor....

I see, that means the "Outsourced" must have the means to install it and at the same time the means to obtain stock at low price point. Otherwise, it is as good as just going back to NSC and accept whatever prices they offer.

 

[Cowseye]

not trying to start a Brand war here. maybe you all can enlighten me also help me save money haha.

bokeh, i am looking for a much Creamy bokeh. i know there are sigma 35,50mm that able to provide me that however also turn off by the focusing problems they have.

If u really want the cream of the crop (no pun intended), use 200mm F/2.

 

[kriegsketten]

If u really want the cream of the crop (no pun intended), use 200mm F/2.

Not "cream of the crop" enough... ;p You need FX + 200/2!

 

[dardar]

Haha cream of crop sound like A delious soup . I actually using 35mm 1.8 currently. When compare to x100 24mm, i still find x100 bokeh much creamer. More than 50mm might be too long for crop sensor. I tried 50mm 1.8 and feel that it is too tight To shoot indoor. 200 might be too long for me. More like a birdy lens for me haha

 

[MC42]

Haha cream of crop sound like A delious soup . I actually using 35mm 1.8 currently. When compare to x100 24mm, i still find x100 bokeh much creamer. More than 50mm might be too long for crop sensor. I tried 50mm 1.8 and feel that it is too tight To shoot indoor. 200 might be too long for me. More like a birdy lens for me haha

It's difficult to compare. Bokeh is dependent on:
1) ratio of subject to focal plane distance and subject to background distance
2) aperture value
3) lense design and focal length used

So it's a combination of composition, exposure parameters and lense design. Keep getting to know your 35 1.8. I'm sure you'll find some combination within your control that produces bokeh acceptable to you.

 

[daredevil123]

not trying to start a Brand war here. maybe you all can enlighten me also help me save money haha.

bokeh, i am looking for a much Creamy bokeh. i know there are sigma 35,50mm that able to provide me that however also turn off by the focusing problems they have.

I have a sigma 50 and I use it very often... never ran into focusing problems with the 50.. never ran into focusing problems with the sigma 85 either.

But sounds like your mind is set. You should go ahead and get the Fuji X-pro1 and the 3 lenses. Use it for 3-6 months, then share your thoughts again.

 

[dardar]

I have a sigma 50 and I use it very often... never ran into focusing problems with the 50.. never ran into focusing problems with the sigma 85 either.

But sounds like your mind is set. You should go ahead and get the Fuji X-pro1 and the 3 lenses. Use it for 3-6 months, then share your thoughts again.

not really Set. but nearly after i heard about this D600 haha a move to FX is hard not to be resist as well. maybe i should loan a 35mm and 50mm sigma before i make a move

 

[Cowseye]

not really Set. but nearly after i heard about this D600 haha a move to FX is hard not to be resist as well. maybe i should loan a 35mm and 50mm sigma before i make a move

Focusing problem is not always, or else, by technogadgets' promise, they should be bankrupt (or don't sell sigma lenses) by now with all of them has focusing issues.