D2H Review

[Watcher]

just as often as u, and a few other nikonians, like to gatecrash Canon threads as well?

Please show me the thread that I gate crash in the Canon forum in the past 8 weeks or 200 posts. The only one was the Sony F828 vs 300D after it had degenerated into mush. Often? Check out my posting history yourself. You on the other hand... From the date of this article, the past 50 of your own articles, how many of them appear in the Nikon forum? :devil:

You just love to spoil other people's reputation don't you?

Nice personal attack.

 

[Red Dawn]

Play nice people or this thread will be edited and or removed.

Ian
Moderator Nikon Forum

ouch

while we're on the subject of reviews, i think nobody is suggesting the D2H is a bad camera in anyway. The Wifi capability is interesting, making the camera more like a computer, but promises new possibilities for photojournalists if the infrastructure issues can be worked out. It is responsive and fast, built for a specific purpose and does it job exceeedingly well and causes most Nikon users to get a serious fit of lust.

It is just that most of the much lauded features were either late to the market or obfuscated by so much marketing hype (like for example, the LBCAST thingy that many Nikon users are parroting) they take attention away from the fact that it represents, in December 2003, no more than what the 1D was, in December of 2001.

Not that that's a bad thing of course. It has the effect of stabilising the playing field and for better or for worse, establishing the "acceptable" level of image quality for sports / photojournalism and news magazine publications - as 4 BIG GOOD megapixels.

For those who are wedded to the Nikon system, it's a God sent, well designed machine, and will last the journey for better or for worse, in sickness and in health.........

there, i'm being objective

 

[ckiang]

Hmmm, nowadays, digital camera makers are using more and more obscure acronyms to market their products. Some choose to use a more funky name to hide the technical jargon (e.g. DiG!C)

Now, how many non-engineer photographers can tell me what a JFET is, let alone a JFET LBCAST sensor. No? How about HAD CCD? No? IGBT? Do they care? Only adds more material for flame/trolls.

Regards
CK

 

[Watcher]

I feel that the unrealistic expectation was set by users who wants the sky and the earth. In fact, according to Thom Hogan (read his review here under "The Basics" header, third paragraph) where he said:

Most of the translations I've seen--and the comments made by Nikon officials at the US and European launchs--led everyone to believe that the claim was "the pixels from a D2h will be lower in noise than any existing camera." That's not my take after re-reading the Japanese slides and press accounts of the launch in Tokyo

As for the comparison to Canon 1D, Red Dawn, your statement

no more than what the 1D was, in December of 2001.

does not seem to be universally agreed with.

Sorry, Phil (Askey) disagrees in his review where he concluded with

Build qualty, control layout and design are second to none, and as a personal opinion I believe it feels and handles better than the Canon EOS-1D/1Ds. Nikon's attention to detail and understanding of professional photographers needs is clearly on display with almost every aspect of this camera

 

[Red Dawn]

Please show me the thread that I gate crash in the Canon forum in the past 8 weeks or 200 posts. The only one was the Sony F828 vs 300D after it had degenerated into mush. Often? Check out my posting history yourself. You on the other hand... From the date of this article, the past 50 of your own articles, how many of them appear in the Nikon forum? :devil:

You just love to spoil other people's reputation don't you?

Nice personal attack.

well i really don't wish to argue with you but if u think wat i said is a personal attack, i think u're taking things way too seriously. pls examine my original statement again

and btw, i checked, as u suggested. in the past 8 weeks, you participated in more than just the post on the Sony F828 vs 300D. i think i'll just leave it as that. there ain't much point going down the path of comparing posts, don't you think?

 

[Red Dawn]

As for the comparison to Canon 1D, Red Dawn, your statement

does not seem to be universally agreed with.

Sorry, Phil (Askey) disagrees in his review where he concluded with

In Novmember 2001, the EOS 1D represents the first modern non-Kodak DSLR to have a x1.3 multiplier crop, less than the current Canon-Nikon competition. It also features a shooting rate that is equivalent to its film counterpart, the EOS 1v, coupled with an image sensor that delivers quality inspite of having "just" 4 megapixels, goes from ISO 100 to 3200, fully weather sealed and ready for rugged professional use. Those are something no other DSLR can match at the point of introduction.

i don't think phil askey is very far from my view when he said in the review of the 1D dated 13th December 2001:

"Canon should in this case be very pleased, the EOS-1D is a superbly capable digital SLR. Not only can it deliver beautiful images with great resolution (which seems to be beyond its 4.5 megapixel count), sharpness and balanced colour but it does so from what could be the most robust and best built 35mm SLR bodies ever."

in December 2003, the D2h, with most of the same capabilities, plus some minor improvements, represents WHAT?

not to take anything away from Nikon of course..... they did do a good job with it...it's a breakthrough for Nikon, (possibly in terms of sales as well, potentially), but not for the photographic world in general, if you know wat i mean

 

[kongg]

We just have to accept the fact that some pple will never have anything good to say about Nikon and their products. :dunno:

 

[Red Dawn]

We just have to accept the fact that some pple will never have anything good to say about Nikon and their products. :dunno:

in the interest of full disclosure, my LS-40 scanner is a Nikon, which i picked over the Canon one.......so....

 

[Jed]

Sorry, Phil (Askey) disagrees in his review where he concluded with
Build qualty, control layout and design are second to none, and as a personal opinion I believe it feels and handles better than the Canon EOS-1D/1Ds. Nikon's attention to detail and understanding of professional photographers needs is clearly on display with almost every aspect of this camera

You see the problem with your argument, Watcher, is that Red Dawn isn't a professional photographer so he doesn't realise nor does it matter to him.

And RD, shut up. Before I decide to get stuck in. Memories are funny things.

 

[Watcher]

You see the problem with your argument, Watcher, is that Red Dawn isn't a professional photographer so he doesn't realise nor does it matter to him.

And RD, shut up. Before I decide to get stuck in. Memories are funny things.

Hi Jed, I can understand that. Really. I have made fun of people who buys Subaru WRX when they only drive in urban areas . However, when the selective quoting of pros of 1D for pros occurred and yet dismiss the superior handling which a pro looks for from the same reviewer no less... Sigh. :dunno:

Anyway, anyone has rumours of D2X or D200? :devil:

 

[VincentLin]

Anyway, anyone has rumours of D2X or D200? :devil:

D2X? OMG.

I'll just buy off your D100 when you upgrade lor. Provided that you have not gone thru as many frames as AJ (our resident machine gunner). :bsmilie:

 

[VincentLin]

We just have to accept the fact that some pple will never have anything good to say about Nikon and their products. :dunno:

Hmmm... I'm a Canon to Nikon guy.

I have good things to say about Canon and Nikon. I'm very sure that some of us have the same good things to say too.

Lighten up lor. Dun be so brand loyal lar.

 

[AJ23]

Vincent, u wanna help me offload my D100? :devil: I'll give u a good price.

 

[Avatar]

Let us all be civic in this ok? I cannot understand why some personality must gatecrash literally every Nikon, especially D2H related, threads here while we are trying to be objective? :dunno:

It is a FACT that every brand takes on a comparative benchmark when designing their new products. The EOS-1D is the brainchild of Canon, an answer to the dual solution provided by Nikon (D1X and D1H), and the only real solution back than for the Canon shooters to go digital (the EOS-D30 isn't really up to the standard for a pro camera). Friends who know me are aware that the only Canon camera I really respect is the EOS-1D, it is IMO a really good solution despite its quirks. Based on a design that is based heavily on what Canon observed from Kodak and the Nikon D1 series, it represents Canon's commitment for its shooters.

Now, the D2H is IMO not just an answer to the EOS-1D but, a practical solution for the Nikon shooters to own a more comprehensive sports/action system which I strongly believe will be completed with the D2X (or if my news is correct, something really extraordinary).

Both brands complement each other, and while my choice isn't Canon, I still believe its capability to excel is the key catalyst for Nikon to push the envelope further. No single player can lead the market effectively without a staunch competition behind their back, be it Canon, Nikon or whatsoever.

 

[Jed]

Actually, the D2h *is* a revolutionary camera. Without it, Canon would probably still be flogging the 1D at S$10000...

 

[Ian]

Play nice kids or the Ang Moh will have your balls and paddle you with the bat.....

 

[VincentLin]

Vincent, u wanna help me offload my D100? :devil: I'll give u a good price.

With your frame counter in the close to the first million, I'll think twice. :bsmilie:

You offer me a price lor. Let me sit on it for awhile and decide after PMA.

 

[VincentLin]

Play nice kids or the Ang Moh will have your balls and paddle you with the bat.....

That really sounds weird. Paddle? Too kinky. :blah:

 

[Watcher]

D2X? OMG.

I'll just buy off your D100 when you upgrade lor. Provided that you have not gone thru as many frames as AJ (our resident machine gunner). :bsmilie:

Heh, I most probably will retain it as my backup body. Same mount and common FLM after all Less than 5000 shots for a 1 year old camera is not too bad :angel:

 

[Watcher]

Now, the D2H is IMO not just an answer to the EOS-1D but, a practical solution for the Nikon shooters to own a more comprehensive sports/action system which I strongly believe will be completed with the D2X (or if my news is correct, something really extraordinary).

How "extraordinary" is it going to be? Hints leh.... :lovegrin: So can motivate me to work harder, sacrifice more :what: and save more :bsmilie: