Charby's Bikini Shoot - Yiming
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You think people cannot see that the pictures are underexposed, out of focus, etc? So what value is there in stating the obvious? But beyond stating the obvious, in many other instances he goes on to put people down as well, you guys should know. How does that help matters?
Yup, heard that even Leonardo Da Vinci took 16years to get the fame...:thumbsup: for attitude...
well....every pro started out as an amatuer...
The pictures looks like ordinary snapshots to me... Read more magazines, look for ideas for your compositions, posing of models etc... The pictures seem to be compressed too much also - loss of quality... Try not to compress too much - even a good picture will look bad due to compression...
It is not obvious to the OP... otherwise he will not have taken the photos the way he did.
I dont think DP is putting anyone down....
I always tell people this:
"I tell you what you need to hear... not what you want to hear..."
The truth is that advice that is contradicated with a :thumbsup: might make some people think they are doing it correctly and ignore the advice. Sometimes, it is better to hear the ugly truth without being pretentious.
To the OP, I honestly think the best way for you to improve is to control your shooting. You seem to randomly shooting as much photos as your can and posting everything. Try aiming for 2 or 3 good photos which are of a higher standard. And be as close to perfect as possible. This means no excuses for bad technique : bad exposure, bad composition, bad complexion or bad background etc.... Go look at FHM or Maxim and you see what i mean. When you look at these magazine, think and think about what makes the picture nice. It is not just the expression and the pose . My point is this, i think some of your photos have the expression and pose but they end being mediocre because of the bad exposure, composition...etc. Dont think just because you capture a nice smile, it automatically means you have a killer photo.
What you need to do is to discipline yourself to shoot with all the technical part nailed down. No excuse what so ever, because you can reshoot with a digital camera and get everything right. Once you are used to getting yourself good technical photos, you can then focus on the expression and pose... which will add that X-factor to the photos. Remember get your fundamental rights and your pictures will always shine.
I would suggest women's magazines more than Men's magazines... Personally find that the poses of the women in Men's magazines are too dead... On the other hand, Women's magazines offer more style and focus less about being sexy (to a man's eyes)... But it also depends on what you are trying to achieve...
1. You do not know DP well enough, or so it seems;
2. Follow your advice, and the result will be perfectly exposed and very neat pictures with no stray hair, perfectly smooth complexion, enhanced boobs, etc. Unfortunately they are a dime a dozen in mens' magazines and they are also very forgettable.
Take a look at the really memorable pictures of the masters. Many of them are gripping and memorable, even if they are out of focus, bad lighting, camera shake, messy hair, etc. One pix I can think of is Robert Capa's pictures of the Normandy Landings of June 1944. The one I have in mind is the ghostly shape of the marine in the water storming up the beach, with the grain, the out of focus, the underexposure, the motion blur and camera shake. It is far more effective and conveys the feeling of menace, death and despair much better than a DSLR picture taken at ISO 1600 with an IS lens with perfect exposure.
2. Follow your advice, and the result will be perfectly exposed and very neat pictures with no stray hair, perfectly smooth complexion, enhanced boobs, etc. Unfortunately they are a dime a dozen in mens' magazines and they are also very forgettable.
Take a look at the really memorable pictures of the masters. Many of them are gripping and memorable, even if they are out of focus, bad lighting, camera shake, messy hair, etc. One pix I can think of is Robert Capa's pictures of the Normandy Landings of June 1944. The one I have in mind is the ghostly shape of the marine in the water storming up the beach, with the grain, the out of focus, the underexposure, the motion blur and camera shake. It is far more effective and conveys the feeling of menace, death and despair much better than a DSLR picture taken at ISO 1600 with an IS lens with perfect exposure.
Waileong, I did not put leejay down, I trashed his picture, not him as a person. His pictures were bad, and I said what I saw.
Is there anything wrong with perfectly exposed pictures? Is thare anything wrong with neatly confitured hair and smooth complexion? I don't think so. Are these the only way to shoot. I don't think so either, but for shooting bikini babes, that's about the only direction to go. Like it or not, some of the men's mags do a good job in presenting bikini babes. And we are dealing with bikini babes here.
Now, I am about to put you down. I am stating this straight in your face so that there is abvsolutely no chance that you might misunderstand. How on earth can you compare a bikini babe shoot with the D-Day landing at Normandy 60 odd years ago? One is a dbikini babe and there other is a picture from a war correspondence. Am I not seeing something here? Probably not, then it must be whatever you are smoking!
Waileong, we never saw eye to eye. I think your picture sucks. But that is my own personal opinion. However, if you want to strike back, please use your brain a bit, if you have one. Find something that is related to slam, and please don't compare Robert Capa, the war correspondence with leejay, our own budding bikini-babe photographer.
nottipiglet
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DP's post is unnecessarily harsh. There is no need to include phrases like:
'Do yourself a favour...'
'... you feel good shooting a model you feel is beautiful... your feelings did not translate into good images.'
'... hope it's true and not idle talk'.
This phrases are not only hurting, they do not contribute to the learning process. I think DP should apologise for his bad behavior.
'Do yourself a favour...'
'... you feel good shooting a model you feel is beautiful... your feelings did not translate into good images.'
'... hope it's true and not idle talk'.
This phrases are not only hurting, they do not contribute to the learning process. I think DP should apologise for his bad behavior.
You're right, we don't see eye to eye. You're not worth looking at.
Obviously, you can't see the point. All you can see is "underexposed", "messy hair", "lousy PS", etc.
And only pictures which are perfectly exposed, neat hair, well-PSed, etc. should be exhibited, everything else should be thrown into the trash can.
If the masters followed your advice 60 years ago, how much poorer would the world be? All the great masters work would be lost just because you say "sucks".
You are worse than not having a brain. You have no heart and no eyes and thus no appreciation of art.
Obviously, you can't see the point. All you can see is "underexposed", "messy hair", "lousy PS", etc.
And only pictures which are perfectly exposed, neat hair, well-PSed, etc. should be exhibited, everything else should be thrown into the trash can.
If the masters followed your advice 60 years ago, how much poorer would the world be? All the great masters work would be lost just because you say "sucks".
You are worse than not having a brain. You have no heart and no eyes and thus no appreciation of art.
Wake up brudder ..... that was 1944! .... do you think that if Robert Capa takes the same picture today with the current DSLR, will that photo be still "out of focus, bad lighting, camera shake"? And what make you think that the "modern" photos will not be able to "conveys the feeling of menace, death and despair much better"? :think:
Neither do you... :think:
philliptan
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All I saw from DP's comments was a desire to tell the OP his photos' shortcomings. Yes he's harsh but his comments were to the point. If all the criticism were sugar-coated, would the OP remember?
And all I saw from waileong's comments, was a desire to attack DP from the start. And he claims DP was attacking the OP. Hypocrisy at work? :bsmilie:
And all I saw from waileong's comments, was a desire to attack DP from the start. And he claims DP was attacking the OP. Hypocrisy at work? :bsmilie:
I ask the same question as Klose. Have u ever seen him face to face to say that u know him well enough.
nottipiglet
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No... there's no need to sugar-coat, but there's no need to add harsh remarks that don't contribute to anything as well. Just stick to the critique. When I ask for advice, I always state that up front. I know some people have a problem being polite. It's like, they will suffocate if they don't say something nasty. If you say something that's not nice, at least be man enough to apologise.
I don't wish to comment on Wai Leong's desire... but I don't like his harsh words as well.
Harsh words are much uglier than bad pictures... and this thread is getting too ugly for my liking.
hmm! you got a point, but you got to read fr begining to see how & who started the battle. :think:
Actually not true la .... many photographers have no such problems, because they are really, really good ..... zemotion, Skye, Wills03, imasaint, berryhappy, joHo, Mattlock, and many others :thumbsup: ... I didnt recall DP or anyone giving them hard time ...
Matter of fact, your pictures are also very good but maybe arty in nature (or maybe your hill is too high compare to most of our mountains?)
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