Canon TX1
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I am looking for a camera to take photo/video of newborn. I think I need something that -
1) is compact
2) takes good still shots
3) takes decent video (maybe for about 5-10mins max, don't take I will need to take video longer than that)
Do you think the TX1 is my prefect solution?
1) is compact
2) takes good still shots
3) takes decent video (maybe for about 5-10mins max, don't take I will need to take video longer than that)
Do you think the TX1 is my prefect solution?
MS Color has it (saw and tested at the original shop) for lower than the prices above and with free SD card.
This thing is VERY tiny, video image quality is very impressive for something this size (and price). Stills are on par with the 7.1mp IXUS cameras.
SD cards very cheap now, doesn't bother me if I can only shoot 13min on a 4gb SDHC. I don't usually shoot more than 30-60sec per scene anyway.
This thing is VERY tiny, video image quality is very impressive for something this size (and price). Stills are on par with the 7.1mp IXUS cameras.
SD cards very cheap now, doesn't bother me if I can only shoot 13min on a 4gb SDHC. I don't usually shoot more than 30-60sec per scene anyway.
Just wonder if anyone compare the 3 model and brand
1. Sanyo XACTI HD2
2. Canon TX1
3. Panasonic SDR-S150
I read through some reviews, it seems Sanyo does not live up to expectation although the form factor is good. Canon's still picture is good but video is average. Review claims that the video is based on movie-jpeg (they suspect Canon does not want to pay for MPEG4 patent).
The review for Panasonic is good except for the low-light conditions.
In summary, it seems that S-150 is a better bet with MPEG2 format. The recording is max at 4Gbyte memory and would immediate restart to the next 4Gbyte if you are using a 8Gbyte SDHC. Some people highlights that the low light is not as reported in reviews and battery can use high range model that can last more than a few hours.
Actually, I am comptemlating between mini-dv, SD and DVD. I need video for my kid which is why I started my search. mini-dv required some work to transfer to DVD. DVD the start up time a slow, so I have concern on this. I also heard that DVD recording may fail if there are error during recording which would means my whole recording would gone to waste. True?
SD has not moving parts, small and meet my 1-2hrs of recording requirement. I have search through some review and somehow concluded that for DVD and pricing, I should go for Panasonic VDR-D300. For HD format, if I can afford, Canon HV-20. For SD, if SD1 of Panasonic seems good. I just needs a clear picture during good lights and low-lights. Which media format and brand/model would you recommend?
I do not need HD anyway, it is not standardised and take too much memory space. I do not want to manage huge storage space. I also hope to shoot and play unless the quality is main issue.
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1. Sanyo XACTI HD2
2. Canon TX1
3. Panasonic SDR-S150
I read through some reviews, it seems Sanyo does not live up to expectation although the form factor is good. Canon's still picture is good but video is average. Review claims that the video is based on movie-jpeg (they suspect Canon does not want to pay for MPEG4 patent).
The review for Panasonic is good except for the low-light conditions.
In summary, it seems that S-150 is a better bet with MPEG2 format. The recording is max at 4Gbyte memory and would immediate restart to the next 4Gbyte if you are using a 8Gbyte SDHC. Some people highlights that the low light is not as reported in reviews and battery can use high range model that can last more than a few hours.
Actually, I am comptemlating between mini-dv, SD and DVD. I need video for my kid which is why I started my search. mini-dv required some work to transfer to DVD. DVD the start up time a slow, so I have concern on this. I also heard that DVD recording may fail if there are error during recording which would means my whole recording would gone to waste. True?
SD has not moving parts, small and meet my 1-2hrs of recording requirement. I have search through some review and somehow concluded that for DVD and pricing, I should go for Panasonic VDR-D300. For HD format, if I can afford, Canon HV-20. For SD, if SD1 of Panasonic seems good. I just needs a clear picture during good lights and low-lights. Which media format and brand/model would you recommend?
I do not need HD anyway, it is not standardised and take too much memory space. I do not want to manage huge storage space. I also hope to shoot and play unless the quality is main issue.
Thanks
Motion-JPEG may not be a bad thing as it allows frame-accurate editing compared to MPEG4 which isn't meant to be edited.
TX1 does normal 640x480 video too. A 4Gb card will give about 30min of 'high quality' recording or about under 60min of "LP" recording.
Another issue with the TX1 is battery life, you may need to get 2-3 extra batteries if you plan to shoot for hours. I doubt each pack will last more than an hour of recording video.
TX1 does normal 640x480 video too. A 4Gb card will give about 30min of 'high quality' recording or about under 60min of "LP" recording.
Another issue with the TX1 is battery life, you may need to get 2-3 extra batteries if you plan to shoot for hours. I doubt each pack will last more than an hour of recording video.
Thanks for the advice, would you recommend SDR-S150 or TX-1?
Forgot to ask, if I want to play it on the VCD or DVD player, can th motion JPEG be converted to the disc?
I can't tell you which to get since I've not even seen the Panasonic S150
From the specs on the web, the S150 does seem to be more optimized for video quality with 3ccd sensors (just not sure how tiny each sensor is), it has a much bigger screen, pack much more video on a 4Gb SD card (3hr 20min but not sure at what compression level).
Not sure how's the battery life, if the battery lasts a full 3 hour continuous recording then I think its a big plus over the TX1.
The MPEG2-only part doesn't bother me, in fact I like it as MPEG-2 is also a more editable format than MPEG-4. I don't understand whats the big fuss over MPEG-4 for camcorders as the format is good only as a distribution format, ie. if you never plan to trim or edit the clips.
IMHO I feel the S150 is good if you plan to just get it for video alone, you plan to shoot lots of video, and you already have a separate still camera. The TX1 feels like an experimental product that fits inbetween a decent compact still camera and a hdv camcorder. You'll also have to consider the price... $720+ for the TX1 v at least $1k for the S150.
I can't tell you which to get since I've not even seen the Panasonic S150
From the specs on the web, the S150 does seem to be more optimized for video quality with 3ccd sensors (just not sure how tiny each sensor is), it has a much bigger screen, pack much more video on a 4Gb SD card (3hr 20min but not sure at what compression level).
Not sure how's the battery life, if the battery lasts a full 3 hour continuous recording then I think its a big plus over the TX1.
The MPEG2-only part doesn't bother me, in fact I like it as MPEG-2 is also a more editable format than MPEG-4. I don't understand whats the big fuss over MPEG-4 for camcorders as the format is good only as a distribution format, ie. if you never plan to trim or edit the clips.
IMHO I feel the S150 is good if you plan to just get it for video alone, you plan to shoot lots of video, and you already have a separate still camera. The TX1 feels like an experimental product that fits inbetween a decent compact still camera and a hdv camcorder. You'll also have to consider the price... $720+ for the TX1 v at least $1k for the S150.
Thanks for the advice. You are right, $1K+ for S150 seems high compare to TX1 in the same category. Check with you if TX1 could could only support motion MPEG and if it is using 640x480 ( i think this is good enough for normal TV) using LP, will it able to record 3hrs of recording? Does it support other format other motion MPEG? eg. MPEG-2. I try to be fair to TX1, if it could record just as long and of similar to S150, based on price point, TX1 maybe a better buy than S150.
For S150, 3hrs of recording should be based on LP. S150 is using MPEG2 format from the review I read. S150 has a series of battery, if you go for the bigger battery model, I think it can last more than 2hr - i think.
Thanks
The longest the TX1 can record at 640x480 LP on a 4Gb card is about under 60 minutes and theres no other option other than M-JPEG codec.
To record 3 hours, you probably need another 2 battery packs ($65-70 each) and another 2-3 4Gb cards (from $56 for Sanyo SDHC 4Gb Class 6).
Thanks for the quick reply. In this case, I think S150 would be something closer to my needs. Now is the pricing I need to think about.
Side track a bit, do you think DVD camcorder is a good option? eg. VDR-D300. I think the price of DVD and S150 would not be too far away. Alternatively, Mini-DV camcorder price could be cheaper now, eg. Panasonic GS400 or GS500. I heard if there is error half way on recording on DVD, the whole recording on the disc would gone to waste?
I am searching for compromise in pricing verse media storage. What is your view?
Don't like DVD camcorders, not surprised if that sort of thing happens...miniDV still offer pretty good bang for the buck...3ccd ones now cost like a fraction what they used to be. But transferring to PC is a real bitch...
Every type of camcorder (DV, DVD, HDD, SD) has their benefits and limitations... and as always, theres relation between benefits and price
Don't like DVD camcorders, not surprised if that sort of thing happens...miniDV still offer pretty good bang for the buck...3ccd ones now cost like a fraction what they used to be. But transferring to PC is a real bitch...
Every type of camcorder (DV, DVD, HDD, SD) has their benefits and limitations... and as always, theres relation between benefits and price
So what are you using now? That may help me to benchmark since you probably have done your research already.
What brand and model you use for mini-dv? Any recommendation for mini-dv? eg. JVC or panasonic or sony? Anything below 1K?
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