Canon HV10 and HV20 Sample Videos Provided by Canon USA

[sgvideoman]

INSTRUCTIONS: There are four different resolutions of video available for download, all in H.264 QT7 format. If you do not have QuickTime 7, please click on the link to download and install. The resolution quality of the video is reduced as the compression of the downloaded file increases. The 1080p file is the highest quality resolution, but requires a high end editing/graphics computer for smooth playback of the video.

You may stop the video on a single frame to observe the detail quality.

Link: http://usa.canon.com/app/html/See_The_Difference/hd_cmos.shtml

 

[sgvideoman]

Oh dear. My computer cannot play the HDV 1080p video footages smoothly. Quicktime 7 keeps pausing and hanging up. Looks like I have to upgrade my computer when I make the transition to HDV.

 

[sgvideoman]

But the video quality is stunning!!! :bigeyes: :bigeyes: :bigeyes: :bigeyes: :bigeyes: for a SGD$2300 consumer class HDV video cam.

 

[sgvideoman]

Okay, my computer is only certified fit for playing back 720progressive video footages. Very smooth playback. For any one who couldn't playback 1080p videos smoothly, download the 720p footages. Impressive video quality.

 

[GoneForGood]

allo,

the camera very good ah? i think SL is selling now.

i oso saw a video of it here: http://www.videolifestyle.com/forum/

but u must register then can see

 

[sgvideoman]

allo,

the camera very good ah? i think SL is selling now.

i oso saw a video of it here: http://www.videolifestyle.com/forum/

but u must register then can see

I tried the Canon HV20 at the Canon Showroom. The video is very grainy when shot indoors, especially if the lighting conditions are not optimal. Video quality is almost "perfect" when shot outdoors.

 

[GoneForGood]

I tried the Canon HV20 at the Canon Showroom. The video is very grainy when shot indoors, especially if the lighting conditions are not optimal. Video quality is almost "perfect" when shot outdoors.

Hello sgvideoman,

did you see the night footage?
I have the download clip of some night ones from the videolifestyle library but looks pretty good lehhh? but then they say the camcorder look like toy also..

goneforgood

 

[sgvideoman]

Hello sgvideoman,

did you see the night footage?
I have the download clip of some night ones from the videolifestyle library but looks pretty good lehhh? but then they say the camcorder look like toy also..

goneforgood

I tried the HV20 at the Canon Showroom. Hands on experience. The entire video is enlarged on a LCD TV.

 

[GoneForGood]

Hello Sgvideoman,

Which showroom you went to. I was thinking of going to check out one myself.
No intention to buy though but just want to KAYPOH a little.
what to do when you dont have the $$$$
did you buy anyway?

goneforgood

 

[jaegersing]

I think you can try it at Vivocity.

 

[Parchiao]

The HV10 should be junk in low light, this is what I read, but there is a setting called 24p in the HV20 that improves low light performance, however, it comes with some performance degradation, again, something I read.

 

[jaegersing]

The HV10 should be junk in low light, this is what I read, but there is a setting called 24p in the HV20 that improves low light performance, however, it comes with some performance degradation, again, something I read.

I also heard that the HV20 has better low light performance, but wouldn't have thought it was because of the 25p (24p is on the USA and Japanese models). 25p also shouldn't cause degradation, but it is not as smooth as 50i so you need to be careful with panning and also try to track moving subjects, ortherwise they can get a bit jerky.

 

[sgvideoman]

The HV10 should be junk in low light, this is what I read, but there is a setting called 24p in the HV20 that improves low light performance, however, it comes with some performance degradation, again, something I read.

And yet the 25P is unusable because the 25P is wrapped under 50i footage. The flags in the recorded footage on the tape are missing (Canon decided consumers won't do editing anyway) so you can't easily get 25P footage unless you get Cineform, which costs US$500. Cineform will convert the raw videos to AVI which is importable by the major NLEs.

 

[sgvideoman]

Hello Sgvideoman,

Which showroom you went to. I was thinking of going to check out one myself.
No intention to buy though but just want to KAYPOH a little.
what to do when you dont have the $$$$
did you buy anyway?

goneforgood

jaegersing has answered your question. No money? Take personal loan.

Anyway, there can only be a few super rich men in the world like Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet.

 

[sgvideoman]

I also heard that the HV20 has better low light performance, but wouldn't have thought it was because of the 25p (24p is on the USA and Japanese models). 25p also shouldn't cause degradation, but it is not as smooth as 50i so you need to be careful with panning and also try to track moving subjects, ortherwise they can get a bit jerky.

24P is for NTSC models (USA and Japan) whereas 25P is for PAL models (Western European countries).

Why NTSC for Japan? Because Japan was under occupation by the US for 7 years.

 

[Parchiao]

And yet the 25P is unusable because the 25P is wrapped under 50i footage. The flags in the tape are missing (Canon decided consumers won't do editing anyway) so you can't easily get 25P footage unless you get Cineform, which costs US$500.

How does the 24p/25p thing work anyway?

 

[sgvideoman]

How does the 24p/25p thing work anyway?

25P is supposed to give you a film like look to your videos.

I am not very sure about this, but as far as I understand, the HV20 has a progressive scan CMOS sensor, it records videos in 25P (if it is enabled), but it doesn't encode to 25P. Instead it encodes to 50i on your tape. You have to unwrap the 50i container for the 25p footage and get the 25P footage out.

Professional camcorders that cost more than SGD$6000 encode 25P to tape directly so there is no extra time consuming step.

 

[sgvideoman]

Progressive mode is a feature typically found in prosumer/professional camcorders. Cheap consumer class camcorders are normally interlaced. Canon tempts us with 25P, but doesn't offer an easy way to get 25P footage because that 25P footage is wrapped in a 50i container.

 

[jaegersing]

Progressive mode is a feature typically found in prosumer/professional camcorders. Cheap consumer class camcorders are normally interlaced. Canon tempts us with 25P, but doesn't offer an easy way to get 25P footage because that 25P footage is wrapped in a 50i container.

Hi sgvideoman. Are you sure about this? I thought that if the 25p is embedded in the 50i stream, that it can be captured easily. And then you just have to tell the NLE that it is actually progressive footage. This is what I did with my XL2 footage all the time. Only with the Canon XH-A1 (and maybe the XL-H1) is the 25F output as true progressive, and when it first came out, none of the NLEs could capture it until they had been modified accordingly. That's what I thought anyway.

 

[sgvideoman]

Hi sgvideoman. Are you sure about this? I thought that if the 25p is embedded in the 50i stream, that it can be captured easily. And then you just have to tell the NLE that it is actually progressive footage. This is what I did with my XL2 footage all the time. Only with the Canon XH-A1 (and maybe the XL-H1) is the 25F output as true progressive, and when it first came out, none of the NLEs could capture it until they had been modified accordingly. That's what I thought anyway.

According to what I read in a forum thread, Canon did a non-standard implementation with the Canon HV20, using the assumption that consumers would not do much video editing. The NLEs could work with 25P in a 50i container because the raw video footage would have the pulldown flags. NLEs detect the flags. However, HV20 does not have the flags. So standard NLEs can't work with the 25P footage from HV20. The alternative is to use Cineform, which does not rely on detecting the pulldown flags, but by analyzing the actual footage. Cineform could then convert the HV20's 25P in a 50i container footage to AVI, which is usable by the standard NLEs.

But Cineform costs USD$500. :lovegrin: