Canon Eos 600d or 7d

[BigBaby]

Yes, when I got my 1st DSLR, the 450D at one IT fair (or PC fair etc), 500D came out less than 3 mths before the next fair.

Different body have certain pros n cons, find one that have most feature that you need. Then invest on the lens.

Haha I know how you feel that kind of feeling really sux. That is why now I'm still holding my horses on getting the 5DmkII because I know the 5DmkIII will be launching soon. But nevertheless the 5DmkII is still a good camera even if you bought it now.

 

[tikiman]

TS, do remember that it is not just the camera body, but a whole system u are buying. There are lenses, tripod, filters, accessories. There is also no use getting a top range semi-pro body and end up with funds for not-so-great lens and tripod with wobbly legs. You should first ask yourself what kind of pictures you are interested in. What pictures on magazines or internet gets you inspired to pick up the hobby(pls dun say porn).

IMHO, if it is F1 or sports photography, I am sorry to tell u but the 18-135 is not going to make it unless you are sitting in the front row and night race will change to day race. if u are into landscape, 18mm may not be wide enough. if you are into macro, 18-135 is only going to give you soft results. if u are into portrait/xmm, the lens may not be bokeh enuf. if u are into bird/wildlife, @135mm it is only great for domesticated fowls and fauna behind cages. So in the end, you end up with an expensive PnS. Might as well get the fujifilm HS20EXR (8fps with 24-720mm lens).

It is best if TS knows what area of photography he is interested to get started with, then ask Csers advice for building his system to best fit it. For example, Landscape:
Stage 1: 600D + 10-22 or 10-20 + sturdy tripod + UV & CPL filter + lens hood
Stage 2: L-plate + shutter release + ND filters
Stage 3: Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 18mm f/3.5 ZE or TS-E 17mm f/4 L

 

[ShaneKua]

Hi Shane, I will be shooting as a hobby. But investing in good reliable lens will also cost a lot (probably as much as a dslr body) which brings me back to the part that im shooting as a hobby. Reason why i chose the 7d is because its a semi pro so once i advance to a semi pro level in a few years i will still be able to use this semi pro body. and maybe just maybe if i get serious enough i can get prime lens to hook up to the 7d. Not so much about getting better gear but being really practical and thinking long term here. My plans were to get the 7d body with the 18-135 kit and slowly work my way up. Any maybe if budget permits a 50mm f1.4 and so on. Any advice on body?

It might be tempting to see the 7D as giving you space to expand - but if you don’t use the more action oriented features like the AF, the burst/frame buffer, etc much, it will function very similar to a 60D. If your requirements aren’t met by it you’ll probably start desiring another upgrade. Maybe to full frame or so.

The point is - you don’t know at this point what you desire to shoot. If you get a 7D, by the time you know what you want to shoot, you might find that a 5D series camera would suit you better, or EVEN if you stick with a 7D, you’ll be tempted by the 7D mark 2 which will probably be out end 2012. So again, temptation to upgrade.

My advice. Get an entry level like the 600D, enjoy shooting with it, and heck that it doesn’t have a “Pro body” sensation to it. But in a year or so, you should have a clear idea what you want and you can get the latest camera associated with it. You can sell the 600D then or keep it as a backup/travel body. Turn your savings now into lenses which hold resale value better than bodies.

 

[huatman]

Haha I know how you feel that kind of feeling really sux. That is why now I'm still holding my horses on getting the 5DmkII because I know the 5DmkIII will be launching soon. But nevertheless the 5DmkII is still a good camera even if you bought it now.

Same here, always tempted get 5DmkII especially when saw ppl selling in BnS. But then dun like that it dun have build in flash which mean need bring external flash, n the much higher price. So holding on till 5DmkIII then see how.

 

[ShaneKua]

How I would start:

600D + 18-55. (The 18-135 is rubbish unless you close the aperture to f8. That’s pretty pathetic. 18-55 even has better Image quality than it.)
1-2 months of shooting, get a feel of what you lack, is it range, ultra wide angel, lowlight, depth of field blur etc?

Then get a 2nd lens that fits that.
Play for a few months with these two lenses and see if they suit your application. 18-55 is cheap and you won’t lose much by resale, or even just keeping it.
If it doesn’t suit, just Sell again.(Treat the lost you make as rental fee.) Alternatively you can really rent lenses to see if they fit your needs.

When I first started I bought a 50 f1.8 because EVERYONE said its cheap and good. But I really did not know how to use it. By setting the mode dial to “auto” on the camera, I was hardly making use of the f1.8 aperture of the lens to create depth of field, as the camera would always set to a much smaller aperture like f4, which my 18-55 then already had. It felt like my old lens, but worst, I couldn’t zoom! It left me wholly UNDERWHELMED with the lens and extremely discouraged. It was only later when I shot more did I understand the purpose of aperture and depth of field that I started to realise what were the strengths of such big aperture lens. Now I’m in love with primes. I shoot most with my 30 f1.4, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.8 primes, and only keep my zooms for events.

 

[ShaneKua]

Same here, always tempted get 5DmkII especially when saw ppl selling in BnS. But then dun like that it dun have build in flash which mean need bring external flash, n the much higher price. So holding on till 5DmkIII then see how.

5D mark 3 WON’T have internal flash.
1.) It’s marketed to users who Don’t need it.
2.) Internal flash is pretty rubbish for any professional application, and photographers who use the 5D series always use flash that they can control direction, be it on camera or off camera.
3.) Canon has 1010010011 other things to fix with the 5D series starting with the damned Auto focus system, and no one’s gonna care about build in flash until they fix the more important things.

 

[Mercy77]

I understand that. I was once in your shoe too. "L" series lens doesn't come cheap. Cheapest will also cost ya $1K+. Maybe for future upgrade. 7D is good for it's fast and accurate AF. If you mount a kit lens without USM it will greatly slow down the AF and defeat the purpose of spending a few hundreds more to get a 7D. It will restrict the full potential of your 7D. Might as well get a cheaper 60D and spend the few hundreds on a better lens with USM. It will focus even faster than a 7D with kit lens. If you really want to get a 7D it will be better to spend a bit more to get a lens at least with a fast USM or a super fast ring USM to unleash monster within.

Second Bigbaby.

60D is pretty good. 600D, 60D, 7D have the same image sensor. Image quality if using the same lens is similar. Difference mainly come from your lens. 5.3fps is enough unless you really doing sports.

More lens you have more options for creativity. Use your budget for more lens.

 

[Deathegg]

I believe all professional cameras don't come with built in flash.

 

[huatman]

5D mark 3 WON’T have internal flash.
1.) It’s marketed to users who Don’t need it.
2.) Internal flash is pretty rubbish for any professional application, and photographers who use the 5D series always use flash that they can control direction, be it on camera or off camera.
3.) Canon has 1010010011 other things to fix with the 5D series starting with the damned Auto focus system, and no one’s gonna care about build in flash until they fix the more important things.

Have feeling mkIII won't have flash already But most time I shoot portrait that why thinking getting 5D. Even now my 7D have internal flash, I dun use the build in flash often unless really need to fill in some light. Want see what 5DmkIII have n very happy with 7D at moment that why still holding on the horses to jump into 5DmkII

To TS, feel that either get 600D kit or maybe the 60D so u have extra cash for better lens n stuffs.

 

[Anson]

I believe all professional cameras don't come with built in flash.

My friends using the D700 would be sad if they hear this...

 

[engrmariano]

best comparison > http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-600d-vs-Canon_EOS_7D

 

[Akatsuki]

I believe all professional cameras don't come with built in flash.

D700 is an entry level camera i guess? :think: just kidding... :bsmilie:

TS, go with 7D... fast and accurate AF... best canon crop... :thumbsup:

 

[engrmariano]

D700 is an entry level camera i guess? :think: just kidding... :bsmilie:

TS, go with 7D... fast and accurate AF... best canon crop... :thumbsup:

1Dmk4 is the best canon crop...

 

[BigBaby]

Same here, always tempted get 5DmkII especially when saw ppl selling in BnS. But then dun like that it dun have build in flash which mean need bring external flash, n the much higher price. So holding on till 5DmkIII then see how.

Yeah agree huatman. I was very tempted too. Especially some used ones the price is very attractive. But 5DmkIII won't be having build in flash. It's a pro class body so most of the pros will use only external flashes & strobes. Much better control of lights. So if you really into portraiture I think you should invest on external flashes too. External flashes combo with 5DmkII or III equals to stunning results.

 

[kangdi]

5D mark 3 WON’T have internal flash.
1.) It’s marketed to users who Don’t need it.
2.) Internal flash is pretty rubbish for any professional application, and photographers who use the 5D series always use flash that they can control direction, be it on camera or off camera.
3.) Canon has 1010010011 other things to fix with the 5D series starting with the damned Auto focus system, and no one’s gonna care about build in flash until they fix the more important things.

Well said!

I really do hope the 5D3 AF system will be a huge improvement over the 5D and 5D2 AF....

 

[BigBaby]

Second Bigbaby.

60D is pretty good. 600D, 60D, 7D have the same image sensor. Image quality if using the same lens is similar. Difference mainly come from your lens. 5.3fps is enough unless you really doing sports.

More lens you have more options for creativity. Use your budget for more lens.

Yes I agree with you. 60D is a good semi pro camera. I owned one myself. I enjoyed the 9 points crossed type AF, the sturdy grip feeling, the long battery life & vari angled LCD screen. Review of the photos on the 60D's 1+million dots LCD screen is really stunning. Sharp and clear. Most probably will be implemented on future models like 7DmkII & 5DmkIII.

 

[kangdi]

Yes I agree with you. 60D is a good semi pro camera. I owned one myself. I enjoyed the 9 points crossed type AF, the sturdy grip feeling, the long battery life & vari angled LCD screen. Review of the photos on the 60D's 1+million dots LCD screen is really stunning. Sharp and clear. Most probably will be implemented on future models like 7DmkII & 5DmkIII.

Erm I believe the current 7D and 5D2 already feature the high res LCD, just that it is 920k dots due to the aspect ratio.

 

[spinworkxroy]

Review of the photos on the 60D's 1+million dots LCD screen is really stunning. Sharp and clear..

Honestly, the screen is the one thing i don't like about the 60D Not because it's bad, but because it's too good…

Almost everything taken looks great on the screen…so it makes me happy and not reshoot…but when i get home, i tend to find the images don't look as good as they did on the screen…so the screen is rather misleading at times…making you feel happy with every shot you take.

 

[ricleo]

Honestly, the screen is the one thing i don't like about the 60D Not because it's bad, but because it's too good…

Almost everything taken looks great on the screen…so it makes me happy and not reshoot…but when i get home, i tend to find the images don't look as good as they did on the screen…so the screen is rather misleading at times…making you feel happy with every shot you take.

yes i agree, the LCD on the 60D is excellent, images look nicer and more vibrant then those on my 5D2's screen.

 

[ricleo]

TS, I think you should consider the 60D as it's just more or less about $200 more then the 600D, and it has the same swivel screen, and specifications are pretty close to 7D apart from FPS and the AF system. The optical view finder is also bigger and nicer then that of the 600D, although not as big as the one on the 7D or full frame cameras.