Canon EOS 450D Club - GED - II


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care to elaborate? like with proper explanations and examples? :bsmilie: dunno y im defending ninja boy...

I'm ain't good with the terms for explaining such, but these kind of discussions had formerly been done by various members of Clubsnap, hence a simple search would reveal much about it.

Believe it or not, the recommended range by the dry cabinet manufacturer can't be wrong, can it?
 

i am not very sure but i think there is some type of grease in the lens and if the humidity is too low, the grease will dry up and you will have problem.
 

I'm ain't good with the terms for explaining such, but these kind of discussions had formerly been done by various members of Clubsnap, hence a simple search would reveal much about it.

Believe it or not, the recommended range by the dry cabinet manufacturer can't be wrong, can it?

not that i dont believe u bro, i'd like a logical and convincing explanation, thats all. the recommended range is just...well, recommended. it doesnt explain why it is the best. it also doesnt say that you cant set it at 25% either.

i am not very sure but i think there is some type of grease in the lens and if the humidity is too low, the grease will dry up and you will have problem.

this sounds plausible. might be the case.
 

I'm ain't good with the terms for explaining such, but these kind of discussions had formerly been done by various members of Clubsnap, hence a simple search would reveal much about it.

Believe it or not, the recommended range by the dry cabinet manufacturer can't be wrong, can it?
Well, to explain it in molecular terms, all the items or objects or even ourselves are made of atoms. Usually inbetween atoms, there is something to fill in the gaps. For solids, atoms are paired very closely. For liquids, slightly apart. Gases, even further apart.


So the space inbetween atoms are usually filled with air or water, or some other molecules. For natural substances like rubber, it was once in a liquid state, and there were some water molecules inbetween the rubber atoms. So when it was made into solid rubber, some water molecules, or in lament terms moisture is still present in the solid rubber. This is why some solids can flex and twist and some cannot.


So from long periods in a dry box with very low humidity will slowly dry up the moisture. So these items cannot flex and twist very much. Thus you have rubber peeling, and stuff like that. You can try it out for yourself. Get a piece of rubberband, put it in some silica gel, after a few weeks take it out. You can practically break he rubber band. It's not longer elastic or neither it can twist or flex.


Now the biggest irony, is that me knowing the answer, i still leave my dry box at 25% RH.... Haha...how dumb can i get.


Hope it helps, but do note, my explaination might not be very detailed.


GMAN
 

Well, to explain it in molecular terms, all the items or objects or even ourselves are made of atoms. Usually inbetween atoms, there is something to fill in the gaps. For solids, atoms are paired very closely. For liquids, slightly apart. Gases, even further apart.


So the space inbetween atoms are usually filled with air or water, or some other molecules. For natural substances like rubber, it was once in a liquid state, and there were some water molecules inbetween the rubber atoms. So when it was made into solid rubber, some water molecules, or in lament terms moisture is still present in the solid rubber. This is why some solids can flex and twist and some cannot.


So from long periods in a dry box with very low humidity will slowly dry up the moisture. So these items cannot flex and twist very much. Thus you have rubber peeling, and stuff like that. You can try it out for yourself. Get a piece of rubberband, put it in some silica gel, after a few weeks take it out. You can practically break he rubber band. It's not longer elastic or neither it can twist or flex.


Now the biggest irony, is that me knowing the answer, i still leave my dry box at 25% RH.... Haha...how dumb can i get.


Hope it helps, but do note, my explaination might not be very detailed.


GMAN


gosh..ninja boy u always surprise us with those cheemlogy stuff wor...
 

not that i dont believe u bro, i'd like a logical and convincing explanation, thats all. the recommended range is just...well, recommended. it doesnt explain why it is the best. it also doesnt say that you cant set it at 25% either.

Well, eleveninth has highlighted the rubber peeling issue (under low relative humidity environment) earlier on and that should roughly tell you what kind of things that could possibly go wrong.

And as for the recommended range, well, unless you know it better than the manufacturer, otherwise wouldn't it be advisable to just stick to it? It might not be the best, but definitely within the safe range, I assume?

As to the fact that it doesn't say one can't set it to 25%, its up to individuals to try it. Have the dough, by all means. :)
 

Well, to explain it in molecular terms, all the items or objects or even ourselves are made of atoms. Usually inbetween atoms, there is something to fill in the gaps. For solids, atoms are paired very closely. For liquids, slightly apart. Gases, even further apart.


So the space inbetween atoms are usually filled with air or water, or some other molecules. For natural substances like rubber, it was once in a liquid state, and there were some water molecules inbetween the rubber atoms. So when it was made into solid rubber, some water molecules, or in lament terms moisture is still present in the solid rubber. This is why some solids can flex and twist and some cannot.


So from long periods in a dry box with very low humidity will slowly dry up the moisture. So these items cannot flex and twist very much. Thus you have rubber peeling, and stuff like that. You can try it out for yourself. Get a piece of rubberband, put it in some silica gel, after a few weeks take it out. You can practically break he rubber band. It's not longer elastic or neither it can twist or flex.


Now the biggest irony, is that me knowing the answer, i still leave my dry box at 25% RH.... Haha...how dumb can i get.


Hope it helps, but do note, my explaination might not be very detailed.


GMAN
:bsmilie: Nice explanation. Perhaps ProteinLens can see a thing or two from here. :)
 

all this complexity just sets me thinking-

get a drybox! solve all this :)
 

gosh..ninja boy u always surprise us with those cheemlogy stuff wor...
No bah...i was just thinking why...then....i found the answer, using some knowledge of chemistry and physics...haha..


GMAN
 

all this complexity just sets me thinking-

get a drybox! solve all this :)

Make sure you get a bottle of silica gel when you get your dry box. ;)
 

fair enuff...there might possibly be an issue with the rubber parts of the camera/lenses. i personally find this interesting...will def read up more about this and understand it in greater detail.

in any case, i hope Yoh, you aren't offended by my comments. i have nothing against u; just trying to ask everyone why theres this issue about keeping the RH at 45% and the reasoning behind it.

lastly, i'd just like to say that my dry cabi RH is also at 45%. set it according to the recommended setting...never really thought about why actually. :bsmilie:
 

fair enuff...there might possibly be an issue with the rubber parts of the camera/lenses. i personally find this interesting...will def read up more about this and understand it in greater detail.

in any case, i hope Yoh, you aren't offended by my comments. i have nothing against u; just trying to ask everyone why theres this issue about keeping the RH at 45% and the reasoning behind it.

lastly, i'd just like to say that my dry cabi RH is also at 45%. set it according to the recommended setting...never really thought about why actually. :bsmilie:

Nope, I'm not offended by any of the comments made by you earlier on. So no worries, ;)

My dry cabinet RH range from 45% (lowest point when I leave the equipments untouched for a period of time) to 60% (when I put my equipments back after a day of usage).
 

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Nope, I'm not offended by any of the comments made by you earlier on. So no worries, ;)

My dry cabinet RH range from 45% (lowest point when I leave the equipments untouched for a period of time) to 60% (when I put my equipments back after a day of usage).

thats good to know! anyway the prob i have with my dry cabi is that even tho its set at 45%, it doesnt start to expediate the moisture until the RH reach about 60%...quite irritating actually.
 

thats good to know! anyway the prob i have with my dry cabi is that even tho its set at 45%, it doesnt start to expediate the moisture until the RH reach about 60%...quite irritating actually.

Not an issue. I won't even bother to adjust the knob once its set.

After all, give it some time and it will eventually does its job.

Its good to see equipments house in a nice "home" at the suitable RH. :cool:
 

thats good to know! anyway the prob i have with my dry cabi is that even tho its set at 45%, it doesnt start to expediate the moisture until the RH reach about 60%...quite irritating actually.

which is why I just hate my dry cab....:bsmilie:
 

k now i regret not buying the drybox earlier.
 

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