Canon announce C100 Mark II

[Bamboopictures]

Now with face detect autofocus, better LCD, EVF and 60fps slo mo
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/profe...l_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c100_mark_ii

 

[XsenseX]

The new tiltable EVF is a good upgrade but the 60fps slow mo is a joke. Nowadays, 120fps is already like minimum. Even iPhone has 240fps.

Sigh. Lack of 4k is such a disappointment cause even consumer cameras like pana FZ1000 at $1000 has it.

Good luck to those trying to sell away their mark 1.

 

[beachbum]

The new tiltable EVF is a good upgrade but the 60fps slow mo is a joke. Nowadays, 120fps is already like minimum. Even iPhone has 240fps.

Sigh. Lack of 4k is such a disappointment cause even consumer cameras like pana FZ1000 at $1000 has it.

Good luck to those trying to sell away their mark 1.

Hmm.. Wonder what Canon has up their sleeves. As much as I adore the 4k of the GH4, the insane high ISO of a7s and the all in one of the very formidable FS7; the current C100 mk2 is still a very attractive camera for events, corporate and wedding type of work where you need a nice picture straight out without much grading and small file size.
But Canon really should drop their price. The FS7 body will probably be 9k or so. To have the C100 rigged up for shoulder mount is gonna make it cost about nearly as much too.

 

[XsenseX]

Hmm.. Wonder what Canon has up their sleeves. As much as I adore the 4k of the GH4, the insane high ISO of a7s and the all in one of the very formidable FS7; the current C100 mk2 is still a very attractive camera for events, corporate and wedding type of work where you need a nice picture straight out without much grading and small file size.
But Canon really should drop their price. The FS7 body will probably be 9k or so. To have the C100 rigged up for shoulder mount is gonna make it cost about nearly as much too.

Not to just keep smashing Canon but i do love their look and their colours but the value of the C100 is much to be desired from.

I don't really like to buy cameras that have super high potential to drop 1/2 the price (within a year) in the resale market due to so many better cheaper cameras out there.

And if they drop the price of C100 mark 2 to USD $4000. Those holding mark 1 will basically make a lost of $3-4000 in value overnight cause no way can u resell the camera for more than $2.8k.

Its a joke either way whereas if you see the FS700, its still keeping its niche market of users and not a huge lost in value even with the launch of FS7 mainly cause of its really good 240FPS ability.

Whatever that the C100 (nicer grip, nicer EVF, Build-in ND, Canon Color) has over GH4 and A7s is basically not worth that $3-4k additional.

Once GH4 has the ability to include Log profiles, colour correction is as simple as it gets and no diff from colorising the C100 log footage.

Enough rant ... I was hoping Canon would wake up cause i'm still holding quite abit of Canon lens but looks like they ain't listening to us consumers.

 

[Deunamist]

Canon doesn't need to, unfortunately. their marketing efforts in the late 2000s paid off very well. the average consumer and the majority of beginners already think Canon is the gold standard for the photography industry, which naturally would leak over to video as well. until they take a hit in that area that is.....

 

[beachbum]

Not to just keep smashing Canon but i do love their look and their colours but the value of the C100 is much to be desired from.

I don't really like to buy cameras that have super high potential to drop 1/2 the price (within a year) in the resale market due to so many better cheaper cameras out there.

And if they drop the price of C100 mark 2 to USD $4000. Those holding mark 1 will basically make a lost of $3-4000 in value overnight cause no way can u resell the camera for more than $2.8k.

Its a joke either way whereas if you see the FS700, its still keeping its niche market of users and not a huge lost in value even with the launch of FS7 mainly cause of its really good 240FPS ability.

Whatever that the C100 (nicer grip, nicer EVF, Build-in ND, Canon Color) has over GH4 and A7s is basically not worth that $3-4k additional.

Once GH4 has the ability to include Log profiles, colour correction is as simple as it gets and no diff from colorising the C100 log footage.

Enough rant ... I was hoping Canon would wake up cause i'm still holding quite abit of Canon lens but looks like they ain't listening to us consumers.

For drop in prices, i am seeing the same pattern as apple products. Not that i am equating both companies. It doesn't matter what the competition is throwing out. The resale price is determined by the launch of the next successor. Just look at the ridiculous resale price of iPhones. They hold their value well till the next model. Actually, with Sony pushing out so many models in such short space, it will trash the resale market more. Similar to samsung.

I have tried configuring the Gh4 and a7s for ENG style shoulder mount use, with XLR and variable ND solution plus a larger battery. The price is very close to C100 with basic Zacuto recoil2. And frankly I prefer lesser rigging with less things to go wrong. That said, the bare Gh4 and a7s IS very brilliant as a B or C cam.

Haha... Even with the formiable FS7, my heart still lean towards the C100mk2. I guess a large part of it is because of the lenses. I still like/familiar with the lens range of Canon better. Besides, can use the DPAF too which is like insurance during interviews. Sure you can use metabones adaptors but i heard bad reviews abt reliability.

 

[beachbum]

Canon doesn't need to, unfortunately. their marketing efforts in the late 2000s paid off very well. the average consumer and the majority of beginners already think Canon is the gold standard for the photography industry, which naturally would leak over to video as well. until they take a hit in that area that is.....

Yes, i think Canon is reaping the profits now from past good work. But if they continue to be not competitive, they are just gonna loose more users.
I think Canon is pretty market savvy and knows where and who their biggest consumers are. Perhaps the dslr/5dmk3 video users are just not attractive enough a market segment for them to innovate. They know the events, corporate and wedding guys all love their C100.
C300 was phenomenal in the rental and broadcast/corporate market too.
Hold on tight. I think Canon has something up their sleeves for the next NAB.

 

[XsenseX]

I do hope they have something interesting next. I'm still holding on to the lens cause i still do photography on the Mark3 but other than that. Everything else video is done on my Gh4 + Gh3.

They are loosing a lot of ground on the Prosumer Video market ... I think the mid-top end videographers who can afford C300 will not look into the Gh4, they would rather swap for something like the FS7.

Its only the C100 that is not priced correctly to compete in the most important market where 80% of videographers dwell around.

Anytime the C100 Mark2 drops below $4k, i think its a value for money buy and i would consider it again.

 

[flipfreak]

glad i held off my decision to buy the first version of the c100 two months back. now with the fs7 and c100 mk2, it gives me more options on the next upgrade path. the sony is definitely very attractive.

 

[Deunamist]

"The big issue with their cinema camera lineup (most specifically the C100 and C300) has always been that these cameras all have a fairly limited feature set given their relatively high price point. The C300 for example is still $12,000, and while it is undeniably an excellent camera (based on ergonomics and reliability alone), it lacks many features that cameras a fraction of the cost have (such as 4K acquisition). There is an argument to be made that some of these lacking features (such as 4K) are not necessary for all shooters – and I would certainly agree with that point. The fact of the matter is though, even though not everyone needs to shoot 4K or record straight to ProRes, many shooters do. In fact, more and more need it every day, and Canon has reserved 4K and other more professional functionality for only their highest end products."

http://noamkroll.com/why-im-not-upgrading-my-c100-to-a-mk-ii-thoughts-on-canons-current-path/

 

[Bamboopictures]

Overview of improvements
[video=youtube;TGKqGAvxcAY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGKqGAvxcAY[/video]

 

[kandinsky]

Lauded by Shane Hurlbut as the 'DSLR killer':

In comparing and contrasting the latest camera tech, I have discovered the DSLR killer. The Canon C100 Mark II is that device. This camera has heart and a soul that brings the best from its incredible 4K sensor that is set up on this camera to deliver 1080p for a price point that is far cheaper than getting a comparable DSLR once you add all the bells and whistles that it already comes with – internal NDs, on board monitor, a Canon log file which gives you 12 stops of latitude. It is lighter than a DSLR and designed in a way to eliminate rolling shutter and function like a high end cinematic capture device. The only thing that the C100 absolutely requires is an external HDMI recorder to bring its powerful sensor to life. Once purchasing a Ninja Blade or Ninja Star you are able to record the same bit depth as an internal recording Canon C300.

Rigging this baby can be done for cheap as well. There are many third party vendors like Redrock Micro that will make it easy to operate and affordable.

What can’t it do?
The C100 Mark II has now increased its frame rate to 60fps at 1080p, which is a huge add on to this little cinematic machine. If you are looking for higher frame rates, it will not deliver. You will have to go to a RED Scarlet or a Sony FS700. If most of your work is slow motion above 60fps, then the C100 Mark II would not be your tool. But if you are looking for images that look like they are easy to color correct, shooting 24 to 60fps and an image that can grace the big screen, then the C100 is your answer.

http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2014/12/shes-a-dslr-killa-canon-c100-mark-ii/