Canon 300D: Another blow to Nikon?
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i wonder why Nikon users are so flustered by Canon's 300D?
u all are keen to join the race too?
sure, it's a DSLR and its primary target is at the mass-market.
com'on man, that is Canon's problem and their marketing strategy. Nikon will come out with something to battle them. that is a cycle like what Larry had said. aren't u tired by it all?
personally, i would rather Nikon to continue producing quality products and to maintain its so-called PROFESSIONAL IMAGE then to really join the rat race in this DSLR madness. but the truth is, it is about PROFIT and to be able to answer to ur share-holders that matters. thus.......
now Canon has the upper hand with a 300D, who knows what Nikon will come up with in the next few months? something that prices below S$1.5k? a totally mass-markter targeted DSLR? i mean, if we are happy with our gears, why do we even bother what others say about what system we're using?
some of the beginners work can really put most old hatters with 'top of the range' SLRs or DSLRs here to shame with their simple PnS.
what about technique? it will be a lost art?
i always thought it is about the eye of the photographer.
now it seems, everyone is into mass-marketing and the hype surround the 'who comes out with newer gadget wins'.
now we are all buying into Canon's and Nikon's 'idea of photography' which is EQUIPMENT CHASING, the best equipment gurantees u the best fotographic result.
how sad.
even in this madness (well, i joined in with a S2Pro...), i still love my FM2 and my slides topped with cross-processing. we can't escape from this madness.
soon, digital will rule over films and slides. it is only a matter of time. let's enjoy the good times now shall we?
u all are keen to join the race too?
sure, it's a DSLR and its primary target is at the mass-market.
com'on man, that is Canon's problem and their marketing strategy. Nikon will come out with something to battle them. that is a cycle like what Larry had said. aren't u tired by it all?
personally, i would rather Nikon to continue producing quality products and to maintain its so-called PROFESSIONAL IMAGE then to really join the rat race in this DSLR madness. but the truth is, it is about PROFIT and to be able to answer to ur share-holders that matters. thus.......
now Canon has the upper hand with a 300D, who knows what Nikon will come up with in the next few months? something that prices below S$1.5k? a totally mass-markter targeted DSLR? i mean, if we are happy with our gears, why do we even bother what others say about what system we're using?
some of the beginners work can really put most old hatters with 'top of the range' SLRs or DSLRs here to shame with their simple PnS.
what about technique? it will be a lost art?
i always thought it is about the eye of the photographer.
now it seems, everyone is into mass-marketing and the hype surround the 'who comes out with newer gadget wins'.
now we are all buying into Canon's and Nikon's 'idea of photography' which is EQUIPMENT CHASING, the best equipment gurantees u the best fotographic result.
how sad.
even in this madness (well, i joined in with a S2Pro...), i still love my FM2 and my slides topped with cross-processing. we can't escape from this madness.
soon, digital will rule over films and slides. it is only a matter of time. let's enjoy the good times now shall we?
emollientcolt
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If a camera maker one day decides to come out with an adaptor(s) which allows users of its cameras to use lens and flashes from another camera maker, will that camera maker boost sales of its camera bodies?
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sadness said:i wonder why Nikon users are so flustered by Canon's 300D?
u all are keen to join the race too?
how sad.
even in this madness (well, i joined in with a S2Pro...), i still love my FM2 and my slides topped with cross-processing. we can't escape from this madness.
soon, digital will rule over films and slides. it is only a matter of time. let's enjoy the good times now shall we?
I'm using slides for my Nikon F80 and FG but I find absolutely no reason to upgrade. The F80 has almost everything I need.
Frankly, all I see are Canonites coming over to Nikon forums and making all these messages...
Even now, how many here really thinks that the 10D is significantly superior to D100? I can come out with examples to the contrary. In fact, the so-call superior low-noise is shown to be not that much better if you see the chart the Phil (of DPReview) has produced. Better than a camera that is one year older but not that much better, and at high ISO, no fight.
That is the crux: D100 came out the same time as D60 (D100 was announced earlier but was beaten to the market). Even until now, the 10D treats the AdobeRGB mode like a toy, not tagging the files right nor allowing changes to the various settings like sharpening, etc. :dunno: Canon apologist don't bother to try to excuse Canon for this stupid implementation.
As for the mount, another issue: why a new one, EF-S? In order to build more wide angle lenses, it has to use a new mount.
No doubt, no pro would want to use (even if they could ever get it on a 1D or 1Ds) the existing EF-S lens as even Canon users commented that it was plasticky and cheap looking (sure at only $100, quality does not really matter, right?). The F-mount has been around since 1959 shows that Nikon at least pay attention and put in effort, instead of giving up or take the easy way out like Canon ("cannot come up with a solution for Christmas? Come out with a new mount!" ). The mentality between the two company is soooo obviously different ...
As for 300D, my view that yes, it will capture quite a few amateurs who dream of having a DSLR. And yes, this would entice these some of these amateurs to stay with Canon. However, I wonder if they think that a DSLR will automatically give them better pictures? Do they know that a good lens cost more than their new 300D package? Will they go for these expensive lenses or will they stick with a few cheap third-party ones? Can someone tell me how much it would cost to get a 300D to reach the range of zoom (that produces about the same quality of pictures) that a Nikon 5700 or Canon G5 or Sony 828 has? For the average camera buyer, if the 300D package and the Sony 828 has the same price, which do you think they will go for?
Also, this product is definately a challenge, not only to Nikon, but to Sony, Pentax, Minolta and Fujifilm, particularly Sony (since they do not have a DSLR to compete for the market). Do you think that if Canon can do better/more marketing and product R&D than all these these companies add up?
I think Canon is coming out and doing some damage but they are not guranteed to win that big with the 300D unlike what some Canon fans think.
Even now, how many here really thinks that the 10D is significantly superior to D100? I can come out with examples to the contrary. In fact, the so-call superior low-noise is shown to be not that much better if you see the chart the Phil (of DPReview) has produced. Better than a camera that is one year older but not that much better, and at high ISO, no fight.
That is the crux: D100 came out the same time as D60 (D100 was announced earlier but was beaten to the market). Even until now, the 10D treats the AdobeRGB mode like a toy, not tagging the files right nor allowing changes to the various settings like sharpening, etc. :dunno: Canon apologist don't bother to try to excuse Canon for this stupid implementation.
As for the mount, another issue: why a new one, EF-S? In order to build more wide angle lenses, it has to use a new mount.
No doubt, no pro would want to use (even if they could ever get it on a 1D or 1Ds) the existing EF-S lens as even Canon users commented that it was plasticky and cheap looking (sure at only $100, quality does not really matter, right?). The F-mount has been around since 1959 shows that Nikon at least pay attention and put in effort, instead of giving up or take the easy way out like Canon ("cannot come up with a solution for Christmas? Come out with a new mount!" ). The mentality between the two company is soooo obviously different ...As for 300D, my view that yes, it will capture quite a few amateurs who dream of having a DSLR. And yes, this would entice these some of these amateurs to stay with Canon. However, I wonder if they think that a DSLR will automatically give them better pictures? Do they know that a good lens cost more than their new 300D package? Will they go for these expensive lenses or will they stick with a few cheap third-party ones? Can someone tell me how much it would cost to get a 300D to reach the range of zoom (that produces about the same quality of pictures) that a Nikon 5700 or Canon G5 or Sony 828 has? For the average camera buyer, if the 300D package and the Sony 828 has the same price, which do you think they will go for?
Also, this product is definately a challenge, not only to Nikon, but to Sony, Pentax, Minolta and Fujifilm, particularly Sony (since they do not have a DSLR to compete for the market). Do you think that if Canon can do better/more marketing and product R&D than all these these companies add up?
I think Canon is coming out and doing some damage but they are not guranteed to win that big with the 300D unlike what some Canon fans think.
Vilya said:
Canon takes over the world with a flurry of cameras with planned obsolescence every 18 months and with built in bugs?
Actually... you might be on to something there...
Microsoft/Apple Canon/Nikon
Multiple/one operating system Multiple lens mounts/one lens mount
Planned obsolescene/Product longevity Planned obsolescence/P. Longevity
Etc. Etc.
Vilya said:
Actually, it seems reverse. Microsoft licences the OS to large number of vendors/Nikon licenses the F-Mount (Fujifilm, Kodak) while Apple refused to do so, even after Bill Gates asked them to.
The problem is that Nikon has an image (pun not intended) problem, where it is not perceived to be the leader even though it came out with many technology like VR vs IS first. It does not seem to maintain a significant competitive technology edge as well. As they say, perception is reality (after a while)....
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Nikonian Foo said:
hello,
my F80 has everything that i need. in fact most of the functions of F80, i've no clue, but i still take happy photographs.
i think that is very important.i don't think i can outgrow F80's technology, quite impossible. simply, it has everything 1 would need for an amateur and more! :thumbsup:
Yup, the early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. The 300D will not be the one and only budget DSLR to come.
Nikon has always been a steady innovator and a practical company, I am sure it will answer to the call of budget users in the Nikon system too, albeit a bit slower to the market but I reckon it will be well worth the wait.
I think I will close this thread to prevent any further escalation of what is already a big fiasco over a camera.
Nikon has always been a steady innovator and a practical company, I am sure it will answer to the call of budget users in the Nikon system too, albeit a bit slower to the market but I reckon it will be well worth the wait.
I think I will close this thread to prevent any further escalation of what is already a big fiasco over a camera.
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