Canon 24-70mm F/2.8L or Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro

Canon 24-70mm F/2.8L or Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro


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Long time ago, I bought the Tokina 28-70/2.6-2.8 for my Canon EOS5. Brought it for my honeymoon and the pics were good. Subsequently, I succumbed to the upgrade bug, bought the 28-70L, brought it for my babymoon to NZ and the shots were fantastic! The 28-70L was noticeably better than the Tokina (then again, it was more then double the price).

My advice is, if you afford the 24-70L or the 28-70L (actually, I don't see that many advertised on clubsnap -- maybe will test the market), do consider. :)

MW
 

munwei said:
Long time ago, I bought the Tokina 28-70/2.6-2.8 for my Canon EOS5. Brought it for my honeymoon and the pics were good. Subsequently, I succumbed to the upgrade bug, bought the 28-70L, brought it for my babymoon to NZ and the shots were fantastic! The 28-70L was noticeably better than the Tokina (then again, it was more then double the price).

My advice is, if you afford the 24-70L or the 28-70L (actually, I don't see that many advertised on clubsnap -- maybe will test the market), do consider. :)

MW

Well,i personally own the 70-200 f/4L and im really amazed by it's focusing speed.I guess i better save up more to get the 24-70L :sweat: read alot of good reviews on the discontinued 28-70L but too bad it's hard to find one nowadays :think:
 

SimonKing said:
Well,i personally own the 70-200 f/4L and im really amazed by it's focusing speed.I guess i better save up more to get the 24-70L :sweat: read alot of good reviews on the discontinued 28-70L but too bad it's hard to find one nowadays :think:

28-70 is a good lens, I've used it as well. It's also a little smaller and lighter then the 24-70. But losing 4mm at the wide makes a big difference, but don't let that stop you, it is a very good lens.
 

Of coz, I vote for the 24-70L. It would win hands down but then again it costs a bomb for a new set. :bigeyes:

Sori to OT but why is Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 not in your equation?? :think:

Here are some good reviews about Tamron:

http://lubowphotography.com/tamron-canon-test.htm
 

Discreet said:
I cannot quote you figures but i read in some forums a while ago that the new ones are better and have less QC problem. I dont know how it is back in singapore. But if you buy a new lens in US and you can prove to canon that it is front focusing or what not, they will recalibrate the lens for you. This is pretty much means that if you buy brand new, and you bother to send it in if it has problem, you are going to get a good copy.

Anyway I really have no idea when they resolve the QC problem. I would imagine within the last 2 years should be okay? dont quote me on this. you can tell the manufacturing date by looking at the serial number. the-digital-picture.com has an article to tell you the date when the lens is made.

My advice to people buying this lens is to either
a) buy second hand and test the lens until you find the right one. Remember that sometimes a lens might front focus a bit while the body might rear focus and stuff. So it is best to check with the body you are using. And also make sure your testing technique is correct. With the focusing chart, MLU, remote shutter...

b) buy brand new. I dont know singaporean shops are in letting you test out lens. I heard people in US go to a shop and get the shopkeeper to pull out 10 lens to let them choose. Like that, confirm can find good copy. If not, check with Canon Singapore if they are willing to calibrate the lens with your body for free. I would think if you buy brand new and have enough proof that the lens is miscalibrated they will have to do something. Also bare in mind that Canon has some leeway in its calibration. It will not be PERFECT but it will be close within 1, 2cm or something. As long as the lens is within working tolerance, they will say the lens is focusing fine... YMMV

Confirm Canon (Singapore) will calibrate lenses without charge, bought under warranty and with a valid receipt as proof of purchase.:thumbsup:

Their service is that :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

cyber_m0nkey said:
28-70 is a good lens, I've used it as well. It's also a little smaller and lighter then the 24-70. But losing 4mm at the wide makes a big difference, but don't let that stop you, it is a very good lens.

Ya. Thanks to Cyber_mOnkey, I made the right choice!:sweatsm:
 

NorthernLights said:
Confirm Canon (Singapore) will calibrate lenses without charge, bought under warranty and with a valid receipt as proof of purchase.:thumbsup:

Their service is that :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

This applies even when the warranty period is over?
 

Dunnomuch said:
For those who say "resale value of the L is better than the Sigma", Think again. if you get the L at $2100 and keep it for 3 years, you will most likely sell it at $1600-1700. The Sigma costs $730 or so new. After 3 years if you sell it for the same loss of $400-500, I am pretty sure someone will take it.:dunno:
:)

Sorry guys, start an old thread again - but, I'm getting interested in the figures given above. Take the worst case for both Canon L and Sigma from the example given above - you buy a Canon @$2100 and sell it @$1600 after 3 yrs, your actual cost of usage is $500; compared with you buy a Sigma @$730 and sell it @$400 after 3 yrs, cost of $330. The difference is $170, and with this $170 you get to own a Canon L lens for 3 yrs instead of a Sigma - well, everyone seems to agree Canon L is better than Sigma, so the question becomes, are you willing to pay S$60/yr for the differences?

Anyway, I'm not and do not intend to be a Canon 24-70 onwer, I like the Tamron - produces good image and is much lighter. Used the Canon once for a one day event, it really hurt my neck and shoulders. Of course, your shooting needs wider angle, then Tamron might not suits.
 

2nd hand sigma 24-70 is abt $500.
 

Hi all,
I am new here and is considering buying the Canon 30D [quoted S$2,300 at Cathay]. But I couldn't decide on the lens. I am considering whether I sould get a 17-40mmf4L or 24-70mmf2.8L for the time [maybe a Zoom lens in future if my interest in photography picks up]. I think the prices are S$1,300 and S$2,460 respectively.

I probably going to use the camera for holidays or take pictures with my family occasionally.

Can you guys advise (a) whether one of the above lenses is appropriate (b) whether I could get better price else where (c) or other recommendation.

Hope to hear from all of you soon...thanks!
 

Well.. I guess photographers on budget should consider the Sigma.. But how do you know when a moment could have been made if you had the L lens? That's what we're paying for isn't it? And not the white paint or red L?

Nic1302 said:
Sorry guys, start an old thread again - but, I'm getting interested in the figures given above. Take the worst case for both Canon L and Sigma from the example given above - you buy a Canon @$2100 and sell it @$1600 after 3 yrs, your actual cost of usage is $500; compared with you buy a Sigma @$730 and sell it @$400 after 3 yrs, cost of $330. The difference is $170, and with this $170 you get to own a Canon L lens for 3 yrs instead of a Sigma - well, everyone seems to agree Canon L is better than Sigma, so the question becomes, are you willing to pay S$60/yr for the differences?

Anyway, I'm not and do not intend to be a Canon 24-70 onwer, I like the Tamron - produces good image and is much lighter. Used the Canon once for a one day event, it really hurt my neck and shoulders. Of course, your shooting needs wider angle, then Tamron might not suits.
 

Seriously.. For holidays, general purpose.. I would suggest either the 17-85mm IS USM or the 24-105L IS USM.. The 17-40L is lacking in tele and the 24-70mm is limiting on wide.. Neither here nor there.. Unless you go holidays with intentions to take photos to come back Singapore and sell ;)

17-40L is usually recommended for pple who take a lot of indoors events, with good lighting.. For ex. weddings.. 24-70mm is for pple who need very sharp images, because if not sharp, cannot sell :)

BTW.. Your quote of $2,300 from CP for the 30D.. Is it kit or body only? If body only, a bit ex leh..

lewong said:
Hi all,
I am new here and is considering buying the Canon 30D [quoted S$2,300 at Cathay]. But I couldn't decide on the lens. I am considering whether I sould get a 17-40mmf4L or 24-70mmf2.8L for the time [maybe a Zoom lens in future if my interest in photography picks up]. I think the prices are S$1,300 and S$2,460 respectively.

I probably going to use the camera for holidays or take pictures with my family occasionally.

Can you guys advise (a) whether one of the above lenses is appropriate (b) whether I could get better price else where (c) or other recommendation.

Hope to hear from all of you soon...thanks!
 

S$2,300 is only for the body. Do you know where I can get it cheaper? Can you recommend?

btw, I am not sure if f2.8 lens really necessary? not sure how different is a f2.8 lens from f4 lenses? are you aware?

Another consideration - weight. The 24-70 f2.8 is quite heavy I felt - difficult to carry it around for holiday the whole day for a month in europe....

Is there a diiff between L and non-L series?

Hey- thanks for your response. cheers!
 

Try Alan Photo.. Should be $2,210 I think..

Yes, f2.8 lens a lot of difference from f4.. If not the prices won't be so drastically different ;) But be aware that f2.8 lens are also much bigger and heavier.. Personally I have a EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM and a Tokina 28-80mm f/2.8.. You can make a guess which one I bring when I go for holidays ;) Another good lens (or so I've heard, but never tried..) is the Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.. However, I have a mental block against Sigmas and really take it as a cheap alternative, if bought 2nd hand..

L lens definitely better quality externally and optically.. If you really want a L, I suggest 24-105L for a good balance between light weight, zoom range, low light and optical performance.. But you really have to match this with a EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5..

lewong said:
S$2,300 is only for the body. Do you know where I can get it cheaper? Can you recommend?

btw, I am not sure if f2.8 lens really necessary? not sure how different is a f2.8 lens from f4 lenses? are you aware?

Another consideration - weight. The 24-70 f2.8 is quite heavy I felt - difficult to carry it around for holiday the whole day for a month in europe....

Is there a diiff between L and non-L series?

Hey- thanks for your response. cheers!
 

I have this lens personally. I bought in 2005 a few months after buying my 350D. Frankly speaking, I was curious to try out a f2.8 lens as i have never use it "out on the shooting field" before. My expectations of picture quality was also increased after looking at so many works. The EFS kit lens just could not sastify.

I used it, actively, in my first 5mths after buying my DSLR. The AF i would say would be noisy nevertheless, but not to a point that when used in a very quiet setting it can be heard distinctively. I was at a quiet indoor walkway of a building where some cornices caught my eye. I slapped on my Sigma and took some pictures of it. The AF noise was not distracting enough to alert a person in front of me just a few meters away.

Ading on to the AF issue, i was very happy with the f2.8 thru out feature. It is very very workable in low light conditions. It never hunt in low light for me at least. However, i seldom shoot wide open unless forced by very low light conditions. I usually stop down, up iso, on flash, calibrate flash to prevent white washing and go for the shot. In most light conditions, the AF lock on almost instantly. USe it with a 30D with a highly sensitive centre AF point, i think its a very good low budget combination for amateur-hobbyist photogrpahers as compared to buying an L glass.

Unfortunately, the f2.8 turn out to be a feature which i can't master. The focus plane is so shallow (which is viewable in the viewfinder) that any movement will shift the focus point significantly(especially at the tele end). As a result i keep throwing off my intended point of focus in most of my shots.

The colour reproduction is great bearing in mind that its a third party lens. All the colors were close to accurate. Some of my friends said before that Sigma is warm in colour reproduction but this can be counteracted easily using Adobe or probably even shooting in raw and using a RAW work flow. Picture quality is great too, i own a L and i in my opinion sigma pictures can be comparable to Canon L lens.

As for pic quality and lens quality, i guess there is very little to worry about. Mid zooms have been there for quite sometime now as it was meant mostly for FFs film SLR/DSLR. The technology on this focal range has come to such a mature stage that there is very little you can compare between Canon, Sigma and Tamron. Just make sure u get the latest iteration of the lens(there are versions without the Macro word) and also the one u are buying is by far the freshest batch out from the factory.

Sigma is quite reputable in Japan too. Most of its lens all bear the words: "Made in Japan". Sigma have also their own DSLRs body which to a certain extent follow the EOS product design. Only thing it does not perform as well as Canon's. I have a teacher who owns a film EOS 3 who uses Sigma lens too.

I m currently selling this lens in BnS as i do not use it in my photography. Also, the mid zoom for me will be to use a prime within this range. :)

Well you work out your choices, and see what best suits you and your budget.
 

Though choice especially for a newbies like me.

24-70mm f2.8 - S$2,460 [950g]
This lens is quite heavy but some felt that the lens is really neither here nor there especially if I am only getting one lens for a start.

24-105mm f4 - S$2,160 [670g]
Haven't seen the lens but read that it is much lighter and some review did comment that if one will to get a lens, this is it. But the disadvantage is it is not a F2.8. So both suppose to compliment each other. But its very costly to buy both! Personally, I am not sure if it will affect me so much although I like to take indoor photos when I travel to Europe.

17-40mm f4 - S$1.300 [475g]
or how about this?

Thanks for all of your valuable comments!
 

lewong said:
Though choice especially for a newbies like me.

24-70mm f2.8 - S$2,460 [950g]
This lens is quite heavy but some felt that the lens is really neither here nor there especially if I am only getting one lens for a start.

24-105mm f4 - S$2,160 [670g]
Haven't seen the lens but read that it is much lighter and some review did comment that if one will to get a lens, this is it. But the disadvantage is it is not a F2.8. So both suppose to compliment each other. But its very costly to buy both! Personally, I am not sure if it will affect me so much although I like to take indoor photos when I travel to Europe.

17-40mm f4 - S$1.300 [475g]
or how about this?

Thanks for all of your valuable comments!

Hi, i guess in the end u ve got to consider what body u use and what crop factor is present. And also how do u shoot subjects. Some like to get up close and personal with the subject by going all the way near to the subject. Some likes to from far zoom into the subject.

For me, i am a wide angle person, i include things around the subject concern to give it some description. IT really depends on the style of photographing. My vote: 17-40 F4L. I got this lens personally.
 

Like I said, 24-105L is a good balance lor.. If you're not sure abotu 24-70mm f/2.8, can get the 2nd hand Sigma one from Sidder and decide if it's what you want.. If not, then sell off and get a 24-105L also don't lose much.. But in either case, you will need a 10-22mm, 24mm just isn't wide enough..

As for the 17-40L it's very limited range.. More suited for indoor event photography, under good lighting.. Rather than as a general travel / walkabout lens..

lewong said:
Though choice especially for a newbies like me.

24-70mm f2.8 - S$2,460 [950g]
This lens is quite heavy but some felt that the lens is really neither here nor there especially if I am only getting one lens for a start.

24-105mm f4 - S$2,160 [670g]
Haven't seen the lens but read that it is much lighter and some review did comment that if one will to get a lens, this is it. But the disadvantage is it is not a F2.8. So both suppose to compliment each other. But its very costly to buy both! Personally, I am not sure if it will affect me so much although I like to take indoor photos when I travel to Europe.

17-40mm f4 - S$1.300 [475g]
or how about this?

Thanks for all of your valuable comments!
 

Thanks for advertising again jeryl. Meeting a interested buyer later in the evening. He wants to look at the lens. Hope he buys it. Hows the 24-70 f2.8L? Did you buy this or the 24-105 f4L? sorry, cannot rmb.....
 

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