Can D70 uses Old Nikon SLR lens (F601)?

[nightpiper]

to jmeng:

besides reading reviews & friends recommendation, u will also need to decide base on your needs & priority. ask yourself a few questions:

1) is the ability to use old MF nikkor highest priority?
2) is the reliability of the camera highest priority?
3) r latest features & functions all bells & whistles highest priority? (eg, fps, big buffer, high flash sync, etc)
4) the million dollar question: 'how much?' is this the highest priority?

i made my decision based on my needs & hopefully you will do the same. my decision to jump off nikon is as follow:

1) picture quality highest priority. the digital cam must work like film, little or no post processing straight off the camera. touching up images on a computer is a big waste of time to me. (proof is in the links to my gallery)
2) reliability. i was pampered with FM2 & F3, so i expect the digital cam to be as solid.
3) cost. the Oly E1 is less than $3k & comes with a pro grade kit lens.
4) ISO 100 or lower as base


your priority will definitely varies. so what did i compromise? 7 point focus, 3:2 aspect ratio, super fast write speeds, high ISO800 noise (i hardly use it), etc. i dun shoot fast extreme sports or birds in flight, so i dun really see a big loss at all.

u may want to also ask why i use nikkor on the E1? not becos my nikkor glass r better. reasons as follow:

1) simply becos i have the option & can use them on the Oly.
2) 28-105 for the range
3) 55mm for the macro

everything else is done with the kit lens. in fact my nikkor exhibits a lot more CA than the Oly's Digital Zuikos.


hope this helps.

here's wishing all nikonians GONG XI FA CAI!! & may u have lots of ang bao to feed those itchy NAS worms. :bsmilie:

 

[Hewland]

reason is simply becos Nikon & mainly Canon too, use low quality components for their lower range DSLR. so naturally they dun last that long. the 'err' u found is mainly due to the main circuit board failing. needs replacement & there's no cure. Canon has this Err99 which is due to poor contact from pins. u normally dun hear such problems with their high end series which of cos cost a big bomb.

like i said, many D70s wudn't last more than 12mths, so they naturally still under warranty. u need to ask yourself if u mind the hassle & waiting time of sending it to nikon service center. My F80 film camera falls into this category as well, didn't last me more than 12mths but its a $800 camera as compared to $1700 for D70.

Lastly, i agree with jamestan. give up some features for more reliability. D100 seems to have less problems. but then, u might want to wait just a tad longer for its successor touted to arrive in a short while.

(ps. do u happen to use your lens wide open all the time? if yes, u probably won't mind using G lenses on the old film body.)

Hi nightpiper,

Thanks for bringing the 'err' issue to my attention.

No I don't shoot wideopen all the time, depends on the situation really.

Happy New Year to you too!

 

[espn]

how many buy their cameras, lens, etc, solely based on statistics? do u ask the char kway teow man to show u statistics that his food conforms to MOH guidelines? do u ask the fruit seller for statistics of a particular brand of oranges is sweet & easy to peel?

let just say i was once a nikon fan like u & totally know how u guys want to protect your favourite brand. i just being objective here, nothing else, not trying to start any unpleasent discussion. i also said if jmeng wants to buy a nikon, its recommended he get the D100 instead.

so care to share whats your story when u buy your nikon? any statistics to support your purchase? i bet the only statistics that u had back then was the numbers in your wallet. :bsmilie:

You are drawing a different and not applicable analogy in this case.

I don't think we were protecting the brand, I was really very interested in knowing as I'm getting my D70 soon and was hoping you can provide some statistics and see if I should carry on and get it as my set might fall within the majority as you said - has problems.

just buy what makes u feel happey lah. this is an open forum & i m juz voicing my 2cents. jmeng has to judge for himself to make that purchasing decision base on what he read, his comfort level & believe.

good night. over & out....zzzzz

I'm also voicing my 2c and concerns was hoping you can show me some statistics, but I think not now. I guess I'll have to purchase base on my readings, comfort & belief.

Good morning and happy new year too.

 

[obviousdude]

kindly refer to nikon service center for statistics. u can also ask for numbers comparing the lower end failures with high end DSLRs (D1x, D1h, D2h).

i know people will sure to ask for such evidence, so kindly go to nikon yourself. thx. also do yourselves another favour, go to other forums to read about how many people r repairing their D70 in less than 12 mths whether big or small problems.

dude, don't get too excited.

consider also the fact that there are much more D70s in the market than there are pro bodies. hence there will naturally be more sets sent in for servicing.

thing is, since you're making this statement in a public forum, it will be good for u to provide the stats via link. instead of making an unsubstantiated claim and asking others to find out for ourselves. it's all too easy to make declarations.

it will lend some credibility to your claim. objectivity also requires a degree of being factual.

i couldn't care less abt the brand or the model. i do however, care abt misinformation being perpetuated especially for newbies to this particular area.

 

[AngKuGuay]

to jmeng:
i made my decision based on my needs & hopefully you will do the same. my decision to jump off nikon is as follow:

1) picture quality highest priority. the digital cam must work like film, little or no post processing straight off the camera. touching up images on a computer is a big waste of time to me. (proof is in the links to my gallery)
2) reliability. i was pampered with FM2 & F3, so i expect the digital cam to be as solid.
3) cost. the Oly E1 is less than $3k & comes with a pro grade kit lens.
4) ISO 100 or lower as base

Got this off Ken Rockwell's website ttp://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d70.htm

"the only reason for slow ISO speeds in the old days of film and in digital point-and-shoots was to get great color and no grain. The D70 gives such great results at ISO 200 there is no need for the older, slower speeds like ISO 100, 50, 25 (Kodachrome II in the 1970s) and 10 (Kodachrome in the 1940s). If you want to use big apertures you just shoot at 1/8,000 of a second."

Being a newbie, I'm sorta confused as to why you want ISO 100 or lower as base? Maybe you could explain to me? I'm not in any way trying to pit you against the words of Ken Rockwell, I just want to hear youur views after reading Ken's.

Happy New Year to one and all!

 

[nightpiper]

Got this off Ken Rockwell's website ttp://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d70.htm

"the only reason for slow ISO speeds in the old days of film and in digital point-and-shoots was to get great color and no grain. The D70 gives such great results at ISO 200 there is no need for the older, slower speeds like ISO 100, 50, 25 (Kodachrome II in the 1970s) and 10 (Kodachrome in the 1940s). If you want to use big apertures you just shoot at 1/8,000 of a second."

Being a newbie, I'm sorta confused as to why you want ISO 100 or lower as base? Maybe you could explain to me? I'm not in any way trying to pit you against the words of Ken Rockwell, I just want to hear youur views after reading Ken's.

Happy New Year to one and all!

i suggest opening a new thread for this topic. OT very badly already.

basically 2 options:

1) pick up a basic photography course.
2) read some books.

what u r asking is very basic, i will be most glad to furnish info in a new thread. (hint* look at eg of misty water flow & rain drops streaks for your answer)

as for ken rockwell, i think he made us all laugh heartily with his 'review' of D2x. ;p i dun even think he shoots any photo as photographer.

 

[hongsien]

how many buy their cameras, lens, etc, solely based on statistics? do u ask the char kway teow man to show u statistics that his food conforms to MOH guidelines? do u ask the fruit seller for statistics of a particular brand of oranges is sweet & easy to peel?

let just say i was once a nikon fan like u & totally know how u guys want to protect your favourite brand. i just being objective here, nothing else, not trying to start any unpleasent discussion. i also said if jmeng wants to buy a nikon, its recommended he get the D100 instead.

so care to share whats your story when u buy your nikon? any statistics to support your purchase? i bet the only statistics that u had back then was the numbers in your wallet. :bsmilie:

just buy what makes u feel happey lah. this is an open forum & i m juz voicing my 2cents. jmeng has to judge for himself to make that purchasing decision base on what he read, his comfort level & believe.

good night. over & out....zzzzz

Ever thought that those who had problems with the D70 will very likely post their troubles, and those who don't have any problems will not post? ......skewing the 'statistics' to higher no's of problems.........its just seems so......no's of D70 with no problems likely exceeds those with problems, its just a case of numbers....

HS

 

[CAMEDIA]

Ever thought that those who had problems with the D70 will very likely post their troubles, and those who don't have any problems will not post? ......skewing the 'statistics' to higher no's of problems.........its just seems so......no's of D70 with no problems likely exceeds those with problems, its just a case of numbers....

HS

Agreed with HS. To be objective, no statistics is a bit hard to convince pple about your claims. Based on superfical evidence from pple complaining in forums does not get us anywhere.

A lot of 1st time users will buy the entry level DSLR. Ignorance and mishandling can also cause harm to the non-metal body. Tell me what u think if u see someone clamping a D70 body on a tripod rather than using the tripod foot of a Sigma 50-500. :bsmilie: To be serious, I really have a friend who does that and after that, he got the err mesg very frequently, guess lens mount is misalign liow?

 

[JackRussell]

Over CNY gathering last night, one of my relative related the same problem of the D70 circuit board err and sent in to Nikon for 1 mth. He also said that it happen to several of his frens. Nikon service center told him that it is because of the circuit board which is made in Thailand of poor quality. He added that even after replacing the circuit board, it will happen again sooner or later.

Disclaimer: Then again, other than his story, I do not have any statistics.

I have a D70 too but fortunately it has not yet happen to me.

 

[espn]

:cry: I'm going to get mine soon leh ;p don't scare me leh. Hehehe...

Let me check with Nikon Singapore and see what the real problem is

 

[mpenza]

heard abt the D70 problem too. a friend of mine also sent in his for replacement of the circuit board. The D100 seems to be imune to the same problem.

 

[Zenten]

Looks like I am in deep s##t. I just bought the D70 less than 2 months ago, and now something bad is about to happen to my very first DSLR. :cry:

Still not to worry can always sell it off for another camera .......

 

[CAMEDIA]

:cry: I'm going to get mine soon leh ;p don't scare me leh. Hehehe...

Let me check with Nikon Singapore and see what the real problem is

hehehehe, get from Harvey Norman with the extended warranty then no need scare liow

 

[espn]

Hehe... I don't care much for HN warranty lar ;p I got absolute faith in Nikon

 

[JL1500k]

This is an open forums. Everyone can feel free to talk. You can choose not to believe what people have said.
For those people out there who want to purchase any models of nikon, please just do your own research or check with Nikon singapore yourself.
If every claims in the forum also must provide statistics then this is not an open forums liao.

 

[obviousdude]

This is an open forums. Everyone can feel free to talk. You can choose not to believe what people have said.
For those people out there who want to purchase any models of nikon, please just do your own research or check with Nikon singapore yourself.
If every claims in the forum also must provide statistics then this is not an open forums liao.

nobody here has said that every claim must be backed by statistics, but making a strong statement without anything to substantiate the claims will not help others in deciding.

if everyone is to make contradicatory statements without backing them up, then this open forum will simply become filled with myths, contradictions and misinformation.

very confusing for noobs.

 

[obviousdude]

and before anyone reacts to that, my point is "strong" statements only.

let's keep things impartial.

if we can't provide proof, it's better to perhaps state: "i've been told (but i'm not able to verify it myself) that this item may have this and that kind of problem. perhaps you can check with ... to confirm that."

no flames please. i'm all too wary of the internet being a place where myths are perpetuated and spread by people who are enthusiastic abt helping and sharing.

 

[espn]

This is an open forums. Everyone can feel free to talk.

Actually, when you make this statement, remind yourself it's applicable to you too

 

[jjch_sg]

The best way of course is to have Nikon to provide failure rate statistics. But this seems to be impossible. I think the next best way is to goto sites like dpreview owner's rating (total 282 reviews on D70). Owners are rating their camera. You can run statistic on it (if you care to categorize the rating and feedback). Gut feeling, a few post here and there are not reliable statistical method.

But you may say, US is much cooler and dryer than Singapore, statistics from dpreview (which is biased towards US) may not count. Okay, how about HK and Taiwan? Weather is closer to Singapore. But you will need to be able to read chinese to goto www.dcfever.com (HK site, 115 user reviews on D70) or www.dcview.com (Taiwan site, 210 user articles).

 

[mpenza]

I think the next best way is to goto sites like dpreview owner's rating (total 282 reviews on D70). Owners are rating their camera. You can run statistic on it (if you care to categorize the rating and feedback). Gut feeling, a few post here and there are not reliable statistical method.

most people post their ratings soon after they bought their cameras before problems develop, so it might not be a good gauge.

Actually, as long as Nikon recognises the problem and offer to replace the parts free beyond warranty, it shouldn't be a big problem.