Can D300 + AFS 24-70mm f/2.8G?

[Randius]

I see, other lens also having the similar problem with built-in flash too...

In my opinion, it's a design flaw! Nikon should ensure that no such thing could ever happened. They should do a tougher test prior to launching their product! If the shadow cast issue due to build-in flash is unavoidable, then don't incorporate it with the body. Just like canon did.

Hope that nikon aware of the issue and pls doesn't incorporate the build-in flash unnecessary simply for some sales marketing purposes. It's useless! I would prefer to remove it!

I don't see canon 40D, 50D has build-in flash but similar range of nikon body e.g. D200, D300 comes with it! That really puzzle me but now i knew it's really useless for me! I would go for the one without build-in flash!

Design flaw? Useless? Please, not everyone carries an external flash with him every time and the built-in flash will be helpful in such a situation, despite emitting harsher light. And do you expect Nikon to find a way to eliminate the shadow cast from built-in flash for all their lenses? IMO, removing it is silly and gives the user no choice but to get an external flash even if they rarely use it.

The fact the Canon 40D and 50D do not have built-in flash means Canon assumes you already have one or forcing you to get one. So which company is thinking more about the needs of their customers?

 

[lsisaxon]

I see, other lens also having the similar problem with built-in flash too...

In my opinion, it's a design flaw! Nikon should ensure that no such thing could ever happened. They should do a tougher test prior to launching their product! If the shadow cast issue due to build-in flash is unavoidable, then don't incorporate it with the body. Just like canon did.

Hope that nikon aware of the issue and pls doesn't incorporate the build-in flash unnecessary simply for some sales marketing purposes. It's useless! I would prefer to remove it!

I don't see canon 40D, 50D has build-in flash but similar range of nikon body e.g. D200, D300 comes with it! That really puzzle me but now i knew it's really useless for me! I would go for the one without build-in flash!

The built in flash is very useful for fill-ins and to obtain catch lights. They are not charging a whole lot more to put the flash in there compared to competition and having it there does not prohibit you from using an external flash, so what's wrong with having the flash there? Only wide angle lenses with large front diameter are affected, why harp on lenses which cannot be used when there are so many other lenses that works fine?

 

[Jack Chen]

I see, other lens also having the similar problem with built-in flash too...

In my opinion, it's a design flaw! Nikon should ensure that no such thing could ever happened. They should do a tougher test prior to launching their product! If the shadow cast issue due to build-in flash is unavoidable, then don't incorporate it with the body. Just like canon did.

Design flaw ?? :think:


Hope that nikon aware of the issue and pls doesn't incorporate the build-in flash unnecessary simply for some sales marketing purposes. It's useless! I would prefer to remove it!

Remove it... :nono:
Just in case, when external flash K.O. built in flash will save you. :sweat:


I don't see canon 40D, 50D has build-in flash but similar range of nikon body e.g. D200, D300 comes with it! That really puzzle me but now i knew it's really useless for me! I would go for the one without build-in flash!

Canon got no build-in flash ... :dunno:

I don use built in flash as main flash. I will prefer SB800.

 

[postman]

It's the lens-hood not the lens.

I have the 24-70. When using the built-in flash and shooting wide (eg 24mm), the shadow cast is unavoidable even though i dont use the lens hood.

Two alternatives are not to use built-in flash when shooting wide or to use an external flash.

This shadow cast appears when shooting wide with lens as long as or longer than the 24-70. It is certainly not a design flaw to have the built-in flash on the d300. Personally one reason i bought my d700 is because of the built-in flash. It gives me an option when using flash.

 

[augustinwee]

Oop... canon 40D & 50D do have a built-in flash! mistake!

Inevitably the built-in flash bring some convenience especially when traveling light. I don't reject the idea of having it built-in BUT when I discovered the shadow cast issue, I started to think twice of owing this combination (D300+AFS24-70mm f/2.8G). It's not a cheap stuffs to invest for long term use and I think some how, some way, some body has to highlight to consumer like us before we decided to buy it. It's fare right. hmm... may be nikon should produce a body vs lenses matrix chart!

btw, what about d700 built-in flash with AFS24-70mm F/2.8G? does it having the same problem? :dunno:

Anyone out there can advice? thks!

 

[DemonicAngelz]

Design flaw? Useless? Please, not everyone carries an external flash with him every time and the built-in flash will be helpful in such a situation, despite emitting harsher light. And do you expect Nikon to find a way to eliminate the shadow cast from built-in flash for all their lenses? IMO, removing it is silly and gives the user no choice but to get an external flash even if they rarely use it.

The fact the Canon 40D and 50D do not have built-in flash means Canon assumes you already have one or forcing you to get one. So which company is thinking more about the needs of their customers?

Also, the length of the lens is needed for the focal distance. Its a physics thing and not a limit by the camera. Theres nothing much Nikon can do. Either remove the fill in flash or put it higher in an awkward position..

 

[Randius]

Oop... canon 40D & 50D do have a built-in flash! mistake!

Inevitably the built-in flash bring some convenience especially when traveling light. I don't reject the idea of having it built-in BUT when I discovered the shadow cast issue, I started to think twice of owing this combination (D300+AFS24-70mm f/2.8G). It's not a cheap stuffs to invest for long term use and I think some how, some way, some body has to highlight to consumer like us before we decided to buy it. It's fare right. hmm... may be nikon should produce a body vs lenses matrix chart!

btw, what about d700 built-in flash with AFS24-70mm F/2.8G? does it having the same problem? :dunno:

Anyone out there can advice? thks!

Please try using a 40D/50D with the 24-70/2.8L w/ hood, shoot with built-in flash at the wider end and tell us if there is shadow cast. If there is, will you then be complaining again about the high price of the combi and that Canon should do more research and provide a body vs lenses matrix chart for you?

 

[jnet6]

Oop... canon 40D & 50D do have a built-in flash! mistake!

Inevitably the built-in flash bring some convenience especially when traveling light. I don't reject the idea of having it built-in BUT when I discovered the shadow cast issue, I started to think twice of owing this combination (D300+AFS24-70mm f/2.8G). It's not a cheap stuffs to invest for long term use and I think some how, some way, some body has to highlight to consumer like us before we decided to buy it. It's fare right. hmm... may be nikon should produce a body vs lenses matrix chart!

btw, what about d700 built-in flash with AFS24-70mm F/2.8G? does it having the same problem? :dunno:

Anyone out there can advice? thks!

It's the same... for every brand. (built-in flash with a mid zoom lens)

Else use a shorter prime lens.

 

[flarebox]

....it's a design flaw! Nikon should ensure that no such thing could ever happened. They should do a tougher test prior to launching their product! If the shadow cast issue due to build-in flash is unavoidable, then don't incorporate it with the body. Just like canon did.

Hope that nikon aware of the issue and pls doesn't incorporate the build-in flash unnecessary simply for some sales marketing purposes. It's useless! I would prefer to remove it!

I don't see canon 40D, 50D has build-in flash but similar range of nikon body e.g. D200, D300 comes with it! That really puzzle me but now i knew it's really useless for me! I would go for the one without build-in flash!

Well, take the built-in flash as a backup. Once I was at an event shoot when my external flash ran out of battery in the midst of an important segment :sweat: (ok....murphy's law here...), I just pulled out the external flash and used the built-in flash.... so ain't that bad right? (Of cos if you have the D3, then you can shoot with the high ISO)

I would love to go for camera bodies without built-in flash (D3....drool....) too if I can afford it.

 

[iamblurblur]

found out my 17-55f2.8 at 20mm to 17mm have the same problem too... it's annoying but really doesn't bother me much as bring along an external flash is not really a problem for me (after knowing the problem)... or else if i really need to shoot low light with built-in flash i will change to my shorter prime... somehow need to understand the lens used and adapt to it i guess...

by the way, anyone has any problem with loosing the wide end with this lens???

 

[iamblurblur]

does it mean at the end any lens longer than 100mm physical length, built in flash will be useless?

 

[jnet6]

does it mean at the end any lens longer than 100mm physical length, built in flash will be useless?

Check your flash guide no from the manual. It'll tell you the distance that the flash will reach your subject.

 

[postman]

does it mean at the end any lens longer than 100mm physical length, built in flash will be useless?

no. For eg, i can still use my built-in flash with my 24-70mm. Around 35 to 70mm it will not cast any shadows on my d700 (note d700 built-in flash is higher on the camera than d300).

For tele lens, which can be much longer than normal zoom lens, most should be no problem with shadows.

 

[lsisaxon]

no. For eg, i can still use my built-in flash with my 24-70mm. Around 35 to 70mm it will not cast any shadows on my d700 (note d700 built-in flash is higher on the camera than d300).

For tele lens, which can be much longer than normal zoom lens, most should be no problem with shadows.

I think the big monsters like 600/4 might cover the flash entirely.. ;p

 

[jnet6]

I think the big monsters like 600/4 might cover the flash entirely.. ;p

Normal lens with those kinda rubber hood will also block the flash. :devil:

 

[lsisaxon]

Normal lens with those kinda rubber hood will also block the flash. :devil:

Must be a HUGE rubber hood! ;p

 

[jnet6]

Must be a HUGE rubber hood! ;p

77mm enough?? :bsmilie:

 

[lsisaxon]

77mm enough?? :bsmilie:

Think 77mm can cover half the flash.

 

[ahguan]

In my opinion, it's a design flaw!

this is not a design flaw. imagine how impractically high a built-in flash has to be to fire over the lens at wide angle

i appreciate Nikon for including this flash. I don't use it directly but for CLS. saves me a few hundred dollars over buying a wireless remote flash controller. this was one of the reason i chose D300 over 40D when they launched a year ago

and kudos for the D700 built in flash too :thumbsup: you will face the same issue here too... seems like u still dun understand why this happens...

 

[iamblurblur]

Check your flash guide no from the manual. It'll tell you the distance that the flash will reach your subject.

no am not talking about what's the distance the flash can reach... is about the physical length of the len in terms of size...

no. For eg, i can still use my built-in flash with my 24-70mm. Around 35 to 70mm it will not cast any shadows on my d700 (note d700 built-in flash is higher on the camera than d300).

For tele lens, which can be much longer than normal zoom lens, most should be no problem with shadows.

that's what i meant, i can still use my 17-55 f2.8 from 20-55mm but anything less than 20mm the shadow cast will appear becoz at the wide zoom the physical length increase, so as the 24-70mmm.

that would mean lenses as long as 70-200mm will be impossible to use built in flash even the distance between the lens and the subject is close?