satay16
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i totally agree with you. (and the one about forcing open doors too.)
Calling all Maxonline users.
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i totally agree with you. (and the one about forcing open doors too.)
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vince123123
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Just an alternative view for you to consider.
If Starhub implements 10000Mbps in Singapore (ie it lays lines in Singapore and gives out modems to S'pore subscribers sufficient to support 10000Mbps), but only leases a 1Mbps line to sites outside Singapore (ie it will lease a submarine cable of sorts for connections to outside Singapore that only has 1Mbps capacity.
Next it advertises to you that it has a 10000Mbps plan for S$X. Are you still saying that connection speed outside of Singapore is not relevant?
It is one thing to say that overseas sites are slow (ie for example www.ussite.com has only a 1MBps uplink from their server - something you can't control), but another to say that the outgoing LINK from Singapore is slow as well.
Sometimes, it is good to think a little more than the things the ISPs feed us when giving reasons for slow connection to overseas sites.
If Starhub implements 10000Mbps in Singapore (ie it lays lines in Singapore and gives out modems to S'pore subscribers sufficient to support 10000Mbps), but only leases a 1Mbps line to sites outside Singapore (ie it will lease a submarine cable of sorts for connections to outside Singapore that only has 1Mbps capacity.
Next it advertises to you that it has a 10000Mbps plan for S$X. Are you still saying that connection speed outside of Singapore is not relevant?
It is one thing to say that overseas sites are slow (ie for example www.ussite.com has only a 1MBps uplink from their server - something you can't control), but another to say that the outgoing LINK from Singapore is slow as well.
Sometimes, it is good to think a little more than the things the ISPs feed us when giving reasons for slow connection to overseas sites.
I found many idiotic ruch to support Starhub, and it's so call service of fast internet access. In Singapore, there is no such thing as fast internet access, if you are trying to access a site outside of Singapore.
You can mince words and support Starhub claims that you have 12000 speed inside this tiny island, but it is a fact that most of the content are in the US. The Taiwan earthquake and the undersea cable failure had clearly demonstrated this fact. So, unless you are going to limit yourselves to site in Singapore, good luck to fast internet access.
By the way, a more realistic and accurate test is to test the speed to say servers in Singapore, HK, Tokyo, US and Europe. Then you can really compare. Still, it is sad that I can access a server in China faster from the US than from Singapore.
It's a fact, broadband in Singapre is pretty narrow, as long as we are living on this closed island, guarded by filters, we will alwasy have slower internet access.
You can mince words and support Starhub claims that you have 12000 speed inside this tiny island, but it is a fact that most of the content are in the US. The Taiwan earthquake and the undersea cable failure had clearly demonstrated this fact. So, unless you are going to limit yourselves to site in Singapore, good luck to fast internet access.
By the way, a more realistic and accurate test is to test the speed to say servers in Singapore, HK, Tokyo, US and Europe. Then you can really compare. Still, it is sad that I can access a server in China faster from the US than from Singapore.
It's a fact, broadband in Singapre is pretty narrow, as long as we are living on this closed island, guarded by filters, we will alwasy have slower internet access.
Those who sign up for fast gaming is really taken for the ride I think. Content, p2p content, music, photos, movies ie. things that need high bandwidth are all located out of our shores. As such, you will never be able to reach 12000kb/s or even 8000. So what exactly is the point of paying so much more?
For gaming? Even the popular bnet servers are in the US! So what's the real point of 12000 huh?
For gaming? Even the popular bnet servers are in the US! So what's the real point of 12000 huh?
They are actually looking at FPS players, most server are local.
so, you are saying, just serve Singapore based servers? so, the WWW become SWW (Singaporewide Web ) hahaha
We cannot limit ourselves to this island, the world is out there for you to take, left behind, no one will pity you.
satay16
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so what do you suggest? starhub building direct cables to each of these overseas countries and raise the subscription rates of their broadband?
no way man. i rather have free local upgrades.:thumbsup:
And really, there isn't much local content to access. What's stopping people from subscribing to Singapore Webhosters is the exhorbitant rate they charge when compared to their US counterparts. That's what I encountered when I recently wanted to start another website.
So here goes again, Singaporean wants to start a not for profit to serve a particular community in Singapore website. However, because of the high rates charged here, he has second thoughts. Moreover, since this project is taken by an individual for a non profit purpose, there's really no point to pay so much for slightly faster surfing speeds for the user right? So instead he uses a webhoster in US.
Goes one big round, really la. 6mb/s for what? That's the service I'm using, but it's upgraded for me free since the 2mb/s era. And seriously, I do not feel a difference surfing sites overseas for in Singapore usually.
Anyone here can rattle of content sites in Singapore which are popular?
So here goes again, Singaporean wants to start a not for profit to serve a particular community in Singapore website. However, because of the high rates charged here, he has second thoughts. Moreover, since this project is taken by an individual for a non profit purpose, there's really no point to pay so much for slightly faster surfing speeds for the user right? So instead he uses a webhoster in US.
Goes one big round, really la. 6mb/s for what? That's the service I'm using, but it's upgraded for me free since the 2mb/s era. And seriously, I do not feel a difference surfing sites overseas for in Singapore usually.
Anyone here can rattle of content sites in Singapore which are popular?
satay16
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but there really isn't much we can do. like what you said, there isn't much local contents. economics of scale, singapore web hosting can never win US-based, which hosts thousands(or millions?) of websites. there's no argument here, but how come you suddenly talk about webhosting?:dunno:
and with the recent earthquake, of course you can't find improvements with their upgrades. you should actually find it slower. pretty impressed that you dun find difference in surfing overseas websites, cos mine slowed down alot.
it is fact that we DO have fast internet ACCESS (emphasis on the word ACCESS). ofcourse, many layman in street think that higher access bandwidth equate to faster connections to overseas sites, which is a big misconception. very obviously bottlenecks exist and bandwidth overseas is expensive (local ISPs, StarHub and SingNet, buy bandwidth from global ISPs, like Asia NetCom, to provide internet access to their customers, or form a consortium to co-own those submarine cables, eg. SingTel)
the term "broadband" technically refer to access bandwidth of 64kbps and above. thus your statement of "pretty narrow" is simply not true. and please substansiate your claim that so-called "filters" in our "closed island" is slowing down our internet connections overseas. how much faster do you want it to be?
if you dont know how the system works, then dont pretend you know and make false claims
I believe he is trying to say that there are substantiated claims out there (probably kopitiam style) that Singapore have embedded with tonnes of restriction on inflowing contents, which casually explains the bottleneck and why downloads did not really come close to subscribed speeds, say you are subscribed to a 12000kbps service plan, but your downloads are usually capped at 300~400kbps, while downloading within SG servers do warrant up to 10000kbps.
It's not so straightforward as that. Many users assume that there is a download cap when its simply the overseas server imposing the restriction. One can easily exceed 5000kbps total when downloading from many multiple overseas sources. So far I do not perceive any download cap on the part of local ISPs. Its almost always source bottlenecks.
When I was on Maxonline 2000/4000 I was always using it at its maximum connection for almost all downloads. Most servers impose single user download caps, the use of any multithreaded download software will bypass that restriction in most cases.
satay16
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yeah. i was using some download manager and they once found 9 mirrors for a file i was downloading overseas. and the speed was tremendously fast, though i dun remember the exact numbers.
these remind me of other common mistake that people make all the time. when reading the download speed from the download window, you have to note if the measurements are in kBps (kilobytes per sec) or in kbps (kilobits per sec).
for instance if your readout is 400kBps, then your download speed for that file is 8x400 = 3200kbps
mervlam and all the other technollogically savvy CSers, I don't care all the kilobytes and kilobits, nor do I can what my local ISP is doing with the global ISP, nor do I care what is the exact technical defination of broadband. To me, it's how long I have to wait before I can finish downloading a file. That's is the only measurement I care.
Singapore is noticably slower than HK and Taiwan.
So, you can argue all you want, Singapore's broadband is narrower.
Singapore is noticably slower than HK and Taiwan.
So, you can argue all you want, Singapore's broadband is narrower.
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