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Buyers Beware : - Canon5d79 Vietnames PHD Student from NTU
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sakuragiz
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As TS mentioned his friend is a newbie.
I dun think newbie cant differentiate between a conditon 10 and a condition 8 lens. Btw ur friend purchase it willing.
Ur friend didnt complain since he got an acc in CS and why u kpo?
Such small problem. see liao also want to laugh...
I dun think newbie cant differentiate between a conditon 10 and a condition 8 lens. Btw ur friend purchase it willing.
Ur friend didnt complain since he got an acc in CS and why u kpo?
Such small problem. see liao also want to laugh...
rhino123
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Friends... lets not be too harsh on TS. He might just be standing up for a friend... and worried that his friend might be cheated.
Although I too do not agree with his assessment of the lens (see my previous posting). But in this forum, we can all post our opinion, so lets just let things be resolve calmly between TS and the seller (I believe the seller visited this thread and had also posted his opinion). It is the seller words vs TS words and this was an issue between the two of them. (Although I really don't think it was much of an issue to start with... but... oh well...)
Although I too do not agree with his assessment of the lens (see my previous posting). But in this forum, we can all post our opinion, so lets just let things be resolve calmly between TS and the seller (I believe the seller visited this thread and had also posted his opinion). It is the seller words vs TS words and this was an issue between the two of them. (Although I really don't think it was much of an issue to start with... but... oh well...)
papajanggo33
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will the real slimshady please stand up?:bsmilie: err, i mean the buyer. 2 pages already and we've not heard anything from buyer. i hope you guys settle this amicably through any convenient means to both buyer and seller.
like others have mentioned, dusts in lens is unavoidable. learn to live with it.
like others have mentioned, dusts in lens is unavoidable. learn to live with it.
sakuragiz
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will the real slimshady please stand up?:bsmilie: err, i mean the buyer. 2 pages already and we've not heard anything from buyer. i hope you guys settle this amicably through any convenient means to both buyer and seller.
like others have mentioned, dusts in lens is unavoidable. learn to live with it.
Wondering which side should he stand after reading all this posting.. LOL.
bluesilver
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A speck of dust!!!!!!
Lol.
Lol.
papajanggo33
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you mean the buyer? ain't sure if he has the nerve to explain his side of story, coz all the while we hear is from TS who is buyer's friend.
Hi all, Thanks to all for your great interest in this subject.
First and foremost, I need to thank Mizunoblackox in helping me to post my "grief" in the forum.
Now, I need to clear the air for some of the points posted by Canon5d79.
1. Why the buyer that has his own ID in CS do not post his issue?
Well, I didnt have an ID in the first place as I am a newbie here. Fyi, just created this account today to post my side of story upon Mizunoblackox's request. Fyi, I got Canon5d79's contact from Mizunoblackox.
2. From my experience, he is not a newbie that do not know about lens checking. He brought his own laptop to test the image quality => Very careful buyer, newbies never do like this. When I was a newbie few years ago, I even bought a 2nd lens with fungus, and out of focus lens. He inspected the lens more than 10 mins.
Bringing lap top doesnt prove that I am a "PRO". This is rather embarassing - I was actually advised by a lao jiao friend to bring a lap top to check lens quailty but forgot to even ask what to look for after taking the picture.... noob!
3. I checked before selling, cannot see dust visible. Dust view is subjective. That's why the buyer need to check by himself. My lens is no scratch, no user mark, full box => It should be not 8 condition as mizunoxxxx said.
The point here is not whether the dust is affecting picture quality or not, but the discrepancy between what was posted and the real thing. Besides the dust, my friend actually found that the screwing mechanism being slightly loose (but still in working condition, though) as well. Being a newbie, I really do not have a feel for what should warrant a 10/10 rating at the point of purchase. The key point here is that what was sold to me should have never warrant a 10/10 condition and "zero dust" claim (after being ascertained by my more professional friend). This is really the key point. From another perspective, there won't even be a post in the first place if seller had posted "some dust but not affecting photo quality" and "8/10 condition according to Clubsnap guidelines".
4. All the people talked here, dust is any where, even after the buyer bought the lens.
Again, the main point here is that there is definitely dust inside the lens and seller is claiming "zero dust".
5. Any seller here refund the seller and get back the lens when the buyer complain about the dust?
Again, the main point here is that there is definitely dust inside the lens and seller is claiming "zero dust". The rationale to return the lens is based on the principle that what was being sold was not up to the specifications as described in the original post. I am asking for a return based on this principle, not really based on operability of the lens.
Besides, I was told by many that Clubsnappers have high integrity and most would give buyer a grace period of 1-3 days to return goods sold should there be any dissatisfaction. Unfortunately, that option was never given to me.
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6. I tried to explain to him more than 10 mins, and result. He also pushed me by saying that he will post my name and my number in CS. I could not talking forever, tha't why I hanged up.
Well, Canon5d79 was defensive from the beginning and refused to listen to my argument that the issue in question here is not whether the lens is working properly or not but, really what was being sold to me is not up to the specifications as described in the original ad post.
7. I do not want fellows in CS to think badly about Vietnamese student here. That's why I go to this thread to explain about my situation.
I need to clarify here that we are not trying to be personal towards our Vietnamese friends (I have many Vietnamese friends, fyi)/NTU students. The whole purpose of this post is to raise awareness among fellow Clubsnappers about such an incident. It's really down to the readers to decipher what they should look out for in future deals in used camera equipment.
In short, I find the whole experience quite enlightening. $$ is not an issue here, but I thought it's important to create this posting to raise awareness among fellow Clubsnappers (especially for Newbie like myself) about the potential occurence of such an incident.
Thanks to Cano5d79, it's a lesson well learned, for myself, at least.
Once again, thanks to all for your great interest in this subject.
This shall be the last post for myself and Mizunoblackox on this subject.
Have a Snapping good day!
PS: Dont waste so much time on this posting
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First and foremost, I need to thank Mizunoblackox in helping me to post my "grief" in the forum.
Now, I need to clear the air for some of the points posted by Canon5d79.
1. Why the buyer that has his own ID in CS do not post his issue?
Well, I didnt have an ID in the first place as I am a newbie here. Fyi, just created this account today to post my side of story upon Mizunoblackox's request. Fyi, I got Canon5d79's contact from Mizunoblackox.
2. From my experience, he is not a newbie that do not know about lens checking. He brought his own laptop to test the image quality => Very careful buyer, newbies never do like this. When I was a newbie few years ago, I even bought a 2nd lens with fungus, and out of focus lens. He inspected the lens more than 10 mins.
Bringing lap top doesnt prove that I am a "PRO". This is rather embarassing - I was actually advised by a lao jiao friend to bring a lap top to check lens quailty but forgot to even ask what to look for after taking the picture.... noob!
3. I checked before selling, cannot see dust visible. Dust view is subjective. That's why the buyer need to check by himself. My lens is no scratch, no user mark, full box => It should be not 8 condition as mizunoxxxx said.
The point here is not whether the dust is affecting picture quality or not, but the discrepancy between what was posted and the real thing. Besides the dust, my friend actually found that the screwing mechanism being slightly loose (but still in working condition, though) as well. Being a newbie, I really do not have a feel for what should warrant a 10/10 rating at the point of purchase. The key point here is that what was sold to me should have never warrant a 10/10 condition and "zero dust" claim (after being ascertained by my more professional friend). This is really the key point. From another perspective, there won't even be a post in the first place if seller had posted "some dust but not affecting photo quality" and "8/10 condition according to Clubsnap guidelines".
4. All the people talked here, dust is any where, even after the buyer bought the lens.
Again, the main point here is that there is definitely dust inside the lens and seller is claiming "zero dust".
5. Any seller here refund the seller and get back the lens when the buyer complain about the dust?
Again, the main point here is that there is definitely dust inside the lens and seller is claiming "zero dust". The rationale to return the lens is based on the principle that what was being sold was not up to the specifications as described in the original post. I am asking for a return based on this principle, not really based on operability of the lens.
Besides, I was told by many that Clubsnappers have high integrity and most would give buyer a grace period of 1-3 days to return goods sold should there be any dissatisfaction. Unfortunately, that option was never given to me.
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6. I tried to explain to him more than 10 mins, and result. He also pushed me by saying that he will post my name and my number in CS. I could not talking forever, tha't why I hanged up.
Well, Canon5d79 was defensive from the beginning and refused to listen to my argument that the issue in question here is not whether the lens is working properly or not but, really what was being sold to me is not up to the specifications as described in the original ad post.
7. I do not want fellows in CS to think badly about Vietnamese student here. That's why I go to this thread to explain about my situation.
I need to clarify here that we are not trying to be personal towards our Vietnamese friends (I have many Vietnamese friends, fyi)/NTU students. The whole purpose of this post is to raise awareness among fellow Clubsnappers about such an incident. It's really down to the readers to decipher what they should look out for in future deals in used camera equipment.
In short, I find the whole experience quite enlightening. $$ is not an issue here, but I thought it's important to create this posting to raise awareness among fellow Clubsnappers (especially for Newbie like myself) about the potential occurence of such an incident.
Thanks to Cano5d79, it's a lesson well learned, for myself, at least.
Once again, thanks to all for your great interest in this subject.
This shall be the last post for myself and Mizunoblackox on this subject.
Have a Snapping good day!
PS: Dont waste so much time on this posting
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CS TAN
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After reading the post from all parties, all I can say is the same old phase - caveat emptor or buyer beware. For a newbie to buy stuff in B&S section, I would suggest they bring along an experience friend. Complaining afterward is not going to do anyone any good since the stuff is being sold "as is" with no warranty.
Another suggestion to the potential buyers - don't expect "NO DUST" even if the seller say so. There is really no such thing as no dust and you would have a mismatch in your expectation to begin with.
To the sellers, I would suggest they should be honest in rated the item's condition. Try to follow the guideline that is being provided in the forum.
Another suggestion to the potential buyers - don't expect "NO DUST" even if the seller say so. There is really no such thing as no dust and you would have a mismatch in your expectation to begin with.
To the sellers, I would suggest they should be honest in rated the item's condition. Try to follow the guideline that is being provided in the forum.
I also thank to Mueller81 and mizunoblackbox, it's also a lesson from me to deal with people like you. Bully the seller to get back the cash after going home and re-think, re-investigate, re-check, re-test, re-.... about the bought item with no warranty mentioned. And publicize seller number to say that he is dis-honest man.
Now fellows can see why I cannot talk with him forever about one speck of dust (and now say more about screw... 8 condition.....,) he is still able to argue forever from their side.
Thanks all who stand at my side.
Hi Mod,
Can I start another thread to say: "Seller beware Muller81 - His no is......).
Haha, just kidding Mod. I never do like that, although I can publicize his number here.
Thanks all who bought items from me and enjoyed the shooting.
Now fellows can see why I cannot talk with him forever about one speck of dust (and now say more about screw... 8 condition.....,) he is still able to argue forever from their side.
Thanks all who stand at my side.
Hi Mod,
Can I start another thread to say: "Seller beware Muller81 - His no is......).
Haha, just kidding Mod. I never do like that, although I can publicize his number here.
Thanks all who bought items from me and enjoyed the shooting.
ovaltinemilo
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a speck of dust? if unnoticeably on image, that's normal phenomenon isn't it.
Everybody defines 'dust free' differently though it's impossible to be 100% dust free.
Everybody defines 'dust free' differently though it's impossible to be 100% dust free.
NortonArchie
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Once I was selling my zoom lens to a fellow CSer, and after checking for 10 minutes and taking a few shots with his DSLR ( he was a very careful buyer), he told me there's a tiny speck of dust inside my lens. Well, I checked and its true. Immediately I took back my lens and we shaked hands. No deal. Well, my point is buyer has a right to check the product they are buying, and there's no obligation to buy if you don't feel good about it - just tell it, say sorry, and walked off. But if you bought it, and it turned out to be a faulty product, then don't blame the seller, unless the seller gives you a personal warranty.
rhino123
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The thing here is that when buying the product, buyer should be advise to look at whether the item is as advertise, although I admit that there are a number of times that it might be difficult to check and a newbie would not know what to look out for. But to nitpick on something as trivial as one speck of dust I think it is really asking too much.
And as to the loose screw... that is something that is a bit weird... if the screw is loose, wouldn't the buyer already found out, he must have tested on his camera, a loose screw is easy to detect, doesn't need an expert or old bird or whatever to know. he should have raise that question to the seller on spot. As to the dust... I mean come on, that dust could come from anywhere.
And you don't need an expert to see check for dust too. A newbie would as easily see the dust if it is big enough. And my question would be... how would anyone know when that dust actually decided to rest on the lens?
Finally after reading the post from TS and his friend... I am beginning to pity the seller... not that I know anyone of them, but I find that the seller really didn't do anything wrong... it all boils down to a bit of miscommunication and different standards. My suggestion is that if there is no problem with the IQ taken, the functioning of the lens, the buyer should enjoy the lens he had. If he is going to nitpick with every single things, then it would only make life more difficult for yourself.
So in conclusion:
In future, when TS and his friend decided to buy something in the BnS, check the product thoroughly, cosmetic wise, it is not that difficult and there really is no trick to it, even a noob would know how to check this. And raise question immediately when you are not satisfy, or even refuse to buy - you know - Deals off.
After buying, get the stuff out for a spin at your convenient and if everything worked fine, that its. It is a good product, no need to nitpick, find fault and get yourselves so worked up.
And as to the loose screw... that is something that is a bit weird... if the screw is loose, wouldn't the buyer already found out, he must have tested on his camera, a loose screw is easy to detect, doesn't need an expert or old bird or whatever to know. he should have raise that question to the seller on spot. As to the dust... I mean come on, that dust could come from anywhere.
And you don't need an expert to see check for dust too. A newbie would as easily see the dust if it is big enough. And my question would be... how would anyone know when that dust actually decided to rest on the lens?
Finally after reading the post from TS and his friend... I am beginning to pity the seller... not that I know anyone of them, but I find that the seller really didn't do anything wrong... it all boils down to a bit of miscommunication and different standards. My suggestion is that if there is no problem with the IQ taken, the functioning of the lens, the buyer should enjoy the lens he had. If he is going to nitpick with every single things, then it would only make life more difficult for yourself.
So in conclusion:
In future, when TS and his friend decided to buy something in the BnS, check the product thoroughly, cosmetic wise, it is not that difficult and there really is no trick to it, even a noob would know how to check this. And raise question immediately when you are not satisfy, or even refuse to buy - you know - Deals off.
After buying, get the stuff out for a spin at your convenient and if everything worked fine, that its. It is a good product, no need to nitpick, find fault and get yourselves so worked up.
hanqiang1011
Senior Member
Good day to all,
I think from my point of view, TS & buyer is trying to ask advices on this issue. But what I saw were harsh comments and complains. As all of you have heard stories of this calibre ample times, you are bound to be be harsh on this seller. In this case, I would say it is a ''willing seller, willing buyer''.
Since Muller81 has the lens now, if the image quality is fine, just close one eye and shoot to enjoy making images. Or if you cant live with the dust, go CSC to clean it at a cost. But image quality might suffer a bit due to opening up of the lens to do cleaning. I think my stand is on Muller81 in this case as he does not know dust will be attracted into the lens.
Well, since this is a public forum and everyone has the rights to post their grieves, I think sometimes when we post, we should put ourselves in other's ppl shoes before posting harsh comments. Right now, since the item is with Muller81, and Canon5d79 has sold it, I think it is best to let this matter rest since many days have past.
Cheers
I think from my point of view, TS & buyer is trying to ask advices on this issue. But what I saw were harsh comments and complains. As all of you have heard stories of this calibre ample times, you are bound to be be harsh on this seller. In this case, I would say it is a ''willing seller, willing buyer''.
Since Muller81 has the lens now, if the image quality is fine, just close one eye and shoot to enjoy making images. Or if you cant live with the dust, go CSC to clean it at a cost. But image quality might suffer a bit due to opening up of the lens to do cleaning. I think my stand is on Muller81 in this case as he does not know dust will be attracted into the lens.
Well, since this is a public forum and everyone has the rights to post their grieves, I think sometimes when we post, we should put ourselves in other's ppl shoes before posting harsh comments. Right now, since the item is with Muller81, and Canon5d79 has sold it, I think it is best to let this matter rest since many days have past.
Cheers
hanqiang1011
Senior Member
Good day to all,
I think from my point of view, TS & buyer is trying to ask advices on this issue. But what I saw were harsh comments and complains. As all of you have heard stories of this calibre ample times, you are bound to be be harsh on this seller. In this case, I would say it is a ''willing seller, willing buyer''.
Since Muller81 has the lens now, if the image quality is fine, just close one eye and shoot to enjoy making images. Or if you cant live with the dust, go CSC to clean it at a cost. But image quality might suffer a bit due to opening up of the lens to do cleaning. I think my stand is on Muller81 in this case as he does not know dust will be attracted into the lens since he is new to photography.
Well, since this is a public forum and everyone has the rights to post their grieves, I think sometimes when we post, we should put ourselves in other's ppl shoes before posting harsh comments. Right now, since the item is with Muller81, and Canon5d79 has sold it, I think it is best to let this matter rest since many days have past.
Everyone will/might meet uneventful stuffs like this in his/her journey in photography (like this incident or the Justin Yeo incident). It is during this lesson that make his/her wiser by a bit. Just like you were a baby, you learn things bit by bit. Let this be a lesson for both this seller and buyer.
Cheers
I think from my point of view, TS & buyer is trying to ask advices on this issue. But what I saw were harsh comments and complains. As all of you have heard stories of this calibre ample times, you are bound to be be harsh on this seller. In this case, I would say it is a ''willing seller, willing buyer''.
Since Muller81 has the lens now, if the image quality is fine, just close one eye and shoot to enjoy making images. Or if you cant live with the dust, go CSC to clean it at a cost. But image quality might suffer a bit due to opening up of the lens to do cleaning. I think my stand is on Muller81 in this case as he does not know dust will be attracted into the lens since he is new to photography.
Well, since this is a public forum and everyone has the rights to post their grieves, I think sometimes when we post, we should put ourselves in other's ppl shoes before posting harsh comments. Right now, since the item is with Muller81, and Canon5d79 has sold it, I think it is best to let this matter rest since many days have past.
Everyone will/might meet uneventful stuffs like this in his/her journey in photography (like this incident or the Justin Yeo incident). It is during this lesson that make his/her wiser by a bit. Just like you were a baby, you learn things bit by bit. Let this be a lesson for both this seller and buyer.
Cheers
And what most people here are saying is that your "more professional friend" is being a baby about this. Maybe you need even more "professional" friends...
The guideline is but a guideline. :dunno:
Can't understand why canon5d79 deserves this thread. You paid up because you chose and he handed over the said item which you have agreed to. As simple as that.
Please be reminded that sellers on BNS are not running a shop and most of them do not have the resources nor are they obliged to (unless explicitly agreed upon beforehand) entertain any complaints whatsoever after the deal.
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