Buy and Sell forum: is it allowed for ppl to pull a fast one?

[srinivasanj]

Buy and Sell forum: is it allowed for ppl to pull a fast one?

Simple answer --> No. But it happens.

But..

"Do you think you'll be part of a mini scam?" --> possible
"Do you think you should be aware of such situations?" --> definitely
"Is this world a beautiful place to live in?" --> not always
"Is everybody like Mother Teresa?" --> Nope.

So the moral of the story here is that you need to be prepared to face these kinds of situations.

Controlling the number of B&S posts per week is a good way to minimise scams (not eliminate it) but again that's not very healthy trading. A potential seller would lose customers and a potential buyer would lose some good deals (due to time factor, need, supply....).

People need to act with conscience and if they dont, well then....

But I think the bottom line is to get people to be aware of such things which would make shopping a better experience in general rather than introducing rules which curtails the freedom of people who are being honest. After all, nothing beats experience....

 

[UchihaItachi]

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=492777
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493439

caught red handed. my eyes can see the truth in all things.

I think the CLUBSNAP Buy and Sell section should be made like VR and HWZ where people can post comments. then all these actions will ceased. now say so much also no use. my eyes still see so much action going on. who can stop it? unless i use mangekyou sharingan's Tsukuyomi and end all such illusions.

but there are also people who are seriously buy the camera try already and then don't like then sell off and buy new ones, we cannot fault these people. Hope they don't lose too much money in the process though.
Let's work together and make this world peaceful again.

 

[roygoh]

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=492777
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493439

caught red handed. my eyes can see the truth in all things.

I think the CLUBSNAP Buy and Sell section should be made like VR and HWZ where people can post comments. then all these actions will ceased. now say so much also no use. my eyes still see so much action going on. who can stop it? unless i use mangekyou sharingan's Tsukuyomi and end all such illusions.

but there are also people who are seriously buy the camera try already and then don't like then sell off and buy new ones, we cannot fault these people. Hope they don't lose too much money in the process though.
Let's work together and make this world peaceful again.

Wow, this is a good catch!

There is no way the mods and admins can police the B&S for such, nor is it practical for us to set any guidelines to prohibit such practice.

Here are a few things members can do to help yourselves:

1. For sellers, after a transaction is closed, indicate the buyer's nick and the final price of the sale in the WTS ad.

2. For buyers, do a search on the item as well as the seller's nick before you commit. Watch out if the seller has WTB followed by WTS of the same items within a short span of time. Search the seller's nick as a keyword to see if he/she was mentioned in other sell ads to havbe bought the item recently (if sellers do item 1 above it would help this).

Remember, it is not illegal to buy an item and then try to sell it later at a higher price. I shall not make any statement about the ethics. All I would say is, knowing this information, I would not personally buy the item from this seller unless it is the last piece left in the world and there is not other equipment that can replace it.

If we allow replies from members that brings on other problems like thread crashing.

 

[srinivasanj]

1. For sellers, after a transaction is closed, indicate the buyer's nick and the final price of the sale in the WTS ad.

I think indicating only the buyer's nick would do. This would ensure that we could atleast search across the forum to see if a recent purchase is being put up on the market for a higher price.

Indicating the actual sell price is definitely not advisable since that might set price expectations on a certain item and that would give the buyers more control. What circumstances led to the item being sold at a particular price, we would never know.

We could still gauge the sell price based on the WTSell price on the thread...and of course other threads selling the same item..

 

[Omega23]

i believe most of us here are adults and i really petty those who didnt do their homeworks and trust others too much. The Mods have done a good job and i do suggest that more sticky guides or a checklist on buying different kinds of used photography items to help those newbies would be more useful then other suggestions.

New or old member doesnt mean anything.. i have met a "old" member for a what is advertised a very mint , scratchless B+W filter (actually i still do not know how he look likes). When i reached the dealing place, guess what he ask his younger sibling to deal instead (He is probably hiding somewhere). I found that the filter did have some bad scratches (no wonder that filter been in the B&S for few mths).. Informed his younger sibling but was told they cant made a decision. I called the "real" seller and inform him of the scratches and that i would reject the sale. The seller i believed is having a period and shouted offensively in the phone:sweat:

Mine friend was cheated by an old member who sell him a 50mm AI lens as AIS lens and still insist it is the correct one after mine friend recognized he was cheated when he closed the deal. I can only pity mine friend who did not do his homework and put his trust on a "old" member.

After all a deal went through cause both parties agreed to it. For the above case i could probably ask for a lower price to close the deal. It depends on both parties wherther you can accept the "defect"s with a cheaper price and the seller wherther he can accept the new conditions. And it also takes wherther you are trading with a uncivilised and dishornest person or a honest and friendly person. It takes both hands to clap.

 

[Omega23]

Wow, this is a good catch!

There is no way the mods and admins can police the B&S for such, nor is it practical for us to set any guidelines to prohibit such practice.

Here are a few things members can do to help yourselves:

1. For sellers, after a transaction is closed, indicate the buyer's nick and the final price of the sale in the WTS ad.

2. For buyers, do a search on the item as well as the seller's nick before you commit. Watch out if the seller has WTB followed by WTS of the same items within a short span of time. Search the seller's nick as a keyword to see if he/she was mentioned in other sell ads to havbe bought the item recently (if sellers do item 1 above it would help this).

Remember, it is not illegal to buy an item and then try to sell it later at a higher price. I shall not make any statement about the ethics. All I would say is, knowing this information, I would not personally buy the item from this seller unless it is the last piece left in the world and there is not other equipment that can replace it.

If we allow replies from members that brings on other problems like thread crashing.

I got to agree that buying low and selling higher is not illegal. There are cases where the buyers feel that the equipments he bought does not suit him anymore and sell higher to recover his lost time and transportation.

 

[TsQ]

i believe most of us here are adults and i really petty those who didnt do their homeworks and trust others too much. The Mods have done a good job and i do suggest that more sticky guides or a checklist on buying different kinds of used photography items to help those newbies would be more useful then other suggestions.

New or old member doesnt mean anything.. i have met a "old" member for a what is advertised a very mint , scratchless B+W filter (actually i still do not know how he look likes). When i reached the dealing place, guess what he ask his younger sibling to deal instead (He is probably hiding somewhere). I found that the filter did have some bad scratches (no wonder that filter been in the B&S for few mths).. Informed his younger sibling but was told they cant made a decision. I called the "real" seller and inform him of the scratches and that i would reject the sale. The seller i believed is having a period and shouted offensively in the phone:sweat:

Mine friend was cheated by an old member who sell him a 50mm AI lens as AIS lens and still insist it is the correct one after mine friend recognized he was cheated when he closed the deal. I can only pity mine friend who did not do his homework.

After all a deal went through cause both parties agreed to it. For the above case i could probably ask for a lower price to close the deal. It depends on both parties wherther you can accept the "defect"s with a cheaper price and the seller wherther he can accept the new conditions. And it also takes wherther you are trading with a uncivilised and dishornest person. It takes both hands to clap.

I agree on most of your view.. but i think many misseed my initial point in the 1st post i trying to say.

OK we agree buyer hv to beware, nothing more to say on that.

However, what I do not like is the fact that there is a possibility that some ppl trying to create a artificial price for 2nd hand goods.. and by doing this, they hv multiple nicks and then stay "wayang" within their few nicks they created.

that's it. nothing else.

 

[Omega23]

I agree on most of your view.. but i think many misseed my initial point in the 1st post i trying to say.

OK we agree buyer hv to beware, nothing more to say on that.

However, what I do not like is the fact that there is a possibility that some ppl trying to create a artificial price for 2nd hand goods.. and by doing this, they hv multiple nicks and then stay "wayang" within their few nicks they created.

that's it. nothing else.

Its ok.. we cannot control what other peoples is doing.. And can wayang as much as they want.:bsmilie: Just that buyer beware and check out the market prices of new set before making a judgement to deal or not.

 

[TsQ]

Its ok.. we cannot control what other peoples is doing.. And can wayang as much as they want.:bsmilie: Just that buyer beware and check out the market prices of new set before making a judgement to deal or not.

agree also. we cannot do much. but i hope this post can at least shine some info to many that it may happen, and do not simply used the transacted price as benchmark..

look at the new price, then calculate the % saving.. and see if its worth it or not.

 

[mm63]

Is using 2 accounts to post the same item for sale allowed and within less than the 3-day interval limit? PM'ed the Mod but no action seems to be taken.

 

[vince123123]

Maybe that mod is busy, put it out in a thread so more can see it

Is using 2 accounts to post the same item for sale allowed and within less than the 3-day interval limit? PM'ed the Mod but no action seems to be taken.

 

[roygoh]

Is using 2 accounts to post the same item for sale allowed and within less than the 3-day interval limit? PM'ed the Mod but no action seems to be taken.

Having more than 1 account is not allowed. Period.

Please use the report post function to report the thread so that all mods can see the report. If you only PM one mod then the response will be delayed if the mod you PMed is busy.

 

[roygoh]

Maybe that mod is busy, put it out in a thread so more can see it

Agree tha mod may be busy, and do not agree that the info should be posted in the open.

There is always a chance that the member's suspicion is incorrect. Posting such allegations in the open is a potential cause of conflict and embarrassment.

 

[TsQ]

Agree with roygoh

i am glad this thread gave awareness..

anyway, anyone can spot such activity of reposting and claimed sold/bought at higher/lower price pls let the mid know for investigation...

for mods: can you are see IP address? typically if a person post from home, and since we all on broadband now, the IP would change for even few weeks.. that way u can see if its the same person or not (unless he post at home the post another in office la then nothing can do)

 

[madmacs]

i think there is nothing wrong with buying low and selling high. isn't that how business is done anyway? it's true that sometimes someone might sell a lens at a price very close to the price of a new one, esp if the lens is popular and frequently out of stock, like the canon 50mm f/1.8 lenses a few years ago.

what i do have an issue with are sellers hawking used lenses as mint. anyway it's the buyer's responsibility to check the lens thoroughly and walk away from the deal if he is not satisfied with the condition.

 

[TsQ]

i think there is nothing wrong with buying low and selling high. isn't that how business is done anyway? it's true that sometimes someone might sell a lens at a price very close to the price of a new one, esp if the lens is popular and frequently out of stock, like the canon 50mm f/1.8 lenses a few years ago.

i think u need to read the thread again, thats not the issue here.

 

[madmacs]

i think u need to read the thread again, thats not the issue here.

i was just stating my thoughts. no offence but probably nothing to do with your issue. please feel free to ignore.

 

[Simon]

None of the Admin or Mod here are on full time basis, we have our own out of ClubSNAP life too.

Next time, please use the Report Post

function in the thread and all of the Admin or Mod will be notify on the Reported Post.

Is using 2 accounts to post the same item for sale allowed and within less than the 3-day interval limit? PM'ed the Mod but no action seems to be taken.

 

[TsQ]

i was just stating my thoughts. no offence but probably nothing to do with your issue. please feel free to ignore.

Hey no problems.. ofcos u can..

just making sure we dont deviate away from the issue in hand from initial post

 

[dimashp]

hi all, newbie here. i do buy and sell quite a number of times. and most of them are not mine, my friends asked me to sell. why ? they have no time to meet up. and some people are just too lazy to do this. for some did receive commision from them.

i joined another forum. they allowed people to post comment and give seller's reputation (like star-thingy). yes, there are some tom and dick crashing the forum and some people who bid like @_@.

at least, if the seller is fake. those members who are interested to buy will leave a bad reputation message like 'i called you 3 times but nobody pick up. sms-ed you, never answer' some even said 'transferred money to your account, but items never arrived' all these things. and as the time goes, we all can see. which one is genuine seller/buyer.

i mean, nothing wrong to make a living by buying and selling. it's business. met few very very nice buyers/sellers who are now my friends. soem even offer me to take a ride back to my home =) but some are like...

about condition wise. although it is clearly stated in buy and sell. some people are not aware on how to judge things. camera, lens, filter, flash, battery are not the same. sometimes, i really can't make it to the appointment date and sometimes my buyer also can't make it. so, that's life...i just think in brighter ways that all of their reason are genuine.

so not sure, i prefer the old system with additional testimonial/something like ebay. that's my 2 cents.

sorry if i am oot or said something wrong and cheers ! =)