Building a 2nd Death Star

[espn]

Lug what ?

Fall in asap, this is an direct order.

You ask UT lor.. thanks to him I got to lug something BIG down. will bring it just for you :devil: you bring the water to drink the panadol with also :devil:

 

[King Tiger]

Did I hear D2Hs? I have 4 sets available anytime for you :devil:

Talking about D2Hs.
As I know some of the unique good points and advantage here are suitable for those who
1) 4MP is enough for their daily usage
2) wants large new 2.5-inch LCD monitor with high resolution of 232,000pixels
3) want 8fps up to 50 consecutive shots with the full 1.5X sensor & shoot at high ISOs
4) need/want to shoot a RAW workflow, but don't want 20MB files.
5) possess all the new features in D2X; like new image processing engine, 3D-Color Matrix Metering II, sYCC color space support and etc.
6) Dun need to upgrade your PC :heart:

 

[King Tiger]

Any CSers getting / owning and D2Hs ?

Care to share your comments and experience ?

Not sure if this sound crazy. Though with the introduction of higher megapixel cam in the market, D2Hs is also one of my favourite options.

 

[espn]

Talking about D2Hs.
As I know some of the unique good points and advantage here are suitable for those who
1) 4MP is enough for their daily usage
2) wants large new 2.5-inch LCD monitor with high resolution of 232,000pixels
3) want 8fps up to 50 consecutive shots with the full 1.5X sensor & shoot at high ISOs
4) need/want to shoot a RAW workflow, but don't want 20MB files.
5) possess all the new features in D2X; like new image processing engine, 3D-Color Matrix Metering II, sYCC color space support and etc.
6) Dun need to upgrade your PC :heart:

Actually D2X and D200 uses the same 4 channel RGB-output image processing, the D2HS doesn't use the 4 channel processing. So the D2HS is not processing the images like D2X.

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Plenty of use for the D2HS is the filesize, RGB histogram and it's huge buffer, definitely a plus in getting the shot you want with it's fast VF blackout timing and shutter lag. :thumbsup:

The whites are also noted to be much better than D2X's white, an improved difference from the older D2H. 3D MMII is godsent, definitely. The focusing is more responsive and more accurate than that of the D2X (firmware 1.0), as of D2X firmware 1.1 the focusing has improved greatly, but the D2HS still is more responsive and tends to lock on better with continous AF.

If you are into casual shots but require the speed and not MP, basically, the D2HS is a good camera.

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D2X is a powerful camera, any small minor handshake will NOT be tolerated. If you have VR on your glasses, I don't recommend switching it off, leave it switched on would prove very beneficial in shooting. Speed is everything there is in this camera, on par with the D2HS definitely.

However, resolution is a big headache for RAW shooters, PC comes to a crawl if you're using pretty old technology, on my AMD XP64 3000+ with 1 GB RAM, after about a hundred or so D2X NEFs, the system will show signs of slowing down, but it won't die on you. Capture 4.3 upgrade is a must as it does speed up the loading/processing of the D2X NEFs.

D2X's AWB on outdoors is seriously deadly spot on and doesn't require much correction. Much much more accurate than that of D2HS/D2H.

If you're a pixel peeper, this would be a good camera for you, do note that it resolves details pretty scarily. At 100% zoom, it simply out-resolves what the D2HS can do. Sharpness is amazing also. Speaking of which, if you intend to use any so-called 'inferior' glasses on it, be prepared to accept the results. Use only hi-end or pro-grade glasses if you intend to shoot with D2X, I think I'm not the only one that has mentioned this before.

A point to note is that, if you want the screen with grids for D2X, you'll have to end up sacrificing the hi-speed crop box on both B and V type screens (both supplied with D2X). The E-screen for D2X is the same with D2H, but without the hi-speed crop marked out, so for those hyper-HSC shooters can't use the e-screen.

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Another difference significant between the two - D2HS vs D2X, would be the dynamic range (DR), I find I can safely push the curves of the D2X much much further than what I can with a D2HS. The D2HS is rather limited in DR but still is a much better performer over the D70 and D100, I believe it would give better or as good colours as with the D200 despite it's 4MP count (which to me doesn't mean anything).

It will show with your image the type of glass used.

 

[TMC]

This should be made into a sticky. :thumbsup:

 

[laforge]

This should be made into a sticky. :thumbsup:

Yep

 

[espn]

The above is a shot taken with the D2X with a 1.7TC + AF-S 200 f/2VR. VR is on. Settings are 1/60s, f/4, +0.3EV, ISO200, flash used. Image was taken at full res - 12MP RAW. Not processed with NC but just transferred the file over to PS CS for cropping.

Crop of the eye. I can still see the contact lense the lady is wearing despite having the 1.7TC stacked on the 200 f/2VR

Hair details are what I love best... every strand is always captured, this shot is taken off the left side of the eye brow.

A 100% cropped shot taken with 70-200VR earlier when jOhO was asking for comments on the D2HS vs S3 Pro output. Taken at JPEG under flourscent lighting with AWB @ 200mm.

100% crop of a full 12MP NEF file of a heron shot. Settings: 1/250s, f/5.6, +0.7EV, ISO100, no flash used.


These are just for your references.

More D2X sample images here

 

[rebbot]

scary :sweat:

 

[TMC]

Talking about D2Hs.
As I know some of the unique good points and advantage here are suitable for those who
1) 4MP is enough for their daily usage
2) wants large new 2.5-inch LCD monitor with high resolution of 232,000pixels
3) want 8fps up to 50 consecutive shots with the full 1.5X sensor & shoot at high ISOs
4) need/want to shoot a RAW workflow, but don't want 20MB files.
5) possess all the new features in D2X; like new image processing engine, 3D-Color Matrix Metering II, sYCC color space support and etc.
6) Dun need to upgrade your PC :heart:

Sigh.....such a close reach for me to upgrade.....but then got to give up something as well.

 

[mohgui]

yo KT dude, get the D200 lah. don't think you'd be maxing out the D2X's features. if so, then no point paying the extra $$$ for it. D200 can liao. or you want to go back to your beloved D2H this time with the 's'...

whatever body you eventually get, must bring and show-show hor?

 

[markccm]

Pictures off a D2Hs

 

[quekky]

buy what u can afford.











unless of course u can afford buying everything...

 

[Dennis]

I think for you it will be either a D2X or a D200 but I recommend D200 because it is also value for money. I have same consideration before but my is of a different consideration and I go for the D200.

Thanks D200 is my another option too.
The viewfinder is big, well grip and large LCD panel.

The previous meeting, hand-on your D200 only for a short while, already kenna poison.

 

[espn]

yo KT dude, get the D200 lah. don't think you'd be maxing out the D2X's features. if so, then no point paying the extra $$$ for it. D200 can liao. or you want to go back to your beloved D2H this time with the 's'...

whatever body you eventually get, must bring and show-show hor?

At any point of time in using any camera, seriously, how many max the camera and/or push the camera to the max? Let's not talk about real professionals who depends on the quality and features a D2X can provide, let's talk about normal consumers, serious-hobbyists who shoots for leisure.

Like I said, I need to talk to KT more indepth on this matter, it's not for us to say what suits him but at the end of the day after understanding each camera's strengths and what's lacking, that will be his purchase.

If he finds a D2X suitable for his use, why not? :dunno: Owning a DSLR doesn't make us a PRO, but we use what we want and shoot what we want, nothing to worry about maxing the capabilities of the camera or not. I dare say using my ex-D100 and ex-D70, I've never pushed the camera to the max, Hee.

I think for you it will be either a D2X or a D200 but I recommend D200 because it is also value for money. I have same consideration before but my is of a different consideration and I go for the D200.

Pros and Cons to each camera, will let KT decide, although D200 is 1/2 of the price of D2X there are limits on the D200 (obviously) as compared to D2X. Will talk to KT more tonight

 

[yyD70S]

...it's not for us to say what suits him but at the end of the day after understanding each camera's strengths and what's lacking, that will be his purchase...

:thumbsup:

Sorry I truncate your sentence and put it on BOLD print but that's the morale of the whole story.

 

[markccm]

think about it KT, u r used to the layout, feel, weight and features of a probody :angel:

 

[lsisaxon]

Actually D2X and D200 uses the same 4 channel RGB-output image processing, the D2HS doesn't use the 4 channel processing. So the D2HS is not processing the images like D2X.
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If you're a pixel peeper, this would be a good camera for you, do note that it resolves details pretty scarily. At 100% zoom, it simply out-resolves what the D2HS can do. Sharpness is amazing also. Speaking of which, if you intend to use any so-called 'inferior' glasses on it, be prepared to accept the results. Use only hi-end or pro-grade glasses if you intend to shoot with D2X, I think I'm not the only one that has mentioned this before.
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It will show with your image the type of glass used.

So that would mean to say that it's already near film quality since the limiting factor is now the optics.

 

[Cheesecake]

So that would mean to say that it's already near film quality since the limiting factor is now the optics.

film is long dead. hail the King, D2X!!!

if u used one, u'll know y! get good lenses too!

 

[idor]

:think: why do i get the feeling that this thread is evolving to become d2x vs. the rest of the cameras....:think:

 

[espn]

:think: why do i get the feeling that this thread is evolving to become d2x vs. the rest of the cameras....:think:

It is? :dunno: KT brought out D2HS, so I just casually replied on it vs D2X.

D200 is totally a different calibre machine as compared to the D2s, so if I were to make a comparison, the D2 bodies sure overpower the D200, so no point right?