Well Canon Singapore quotes the price for the XA10 at $3599. The JVC is cheaper, I was at Mustafa Shopping Centre just the other day and the JVC HM150 was for sale at about $3300+/-.
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Well Canon Singapore quotes the price for the XA10 at $3599. The JVC is cheaper, I was at Mustafa Shopping Centre just the other day and the JVC HM150 was for sale at about $3300+/-.
isaryan
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Thanks for checking out the price. Im sure it would 'maybe' cheaper if 'outside' vendor is concerned...
I am considering the XA10.
Can anybody recommend a trusted reseller? Lagi best if they accept credit card installment :bsmilie:
Any reseller with prices better than the $3599 listed on Canon's website?
Where can we buy this Sony NX70 ? Most Sony shops I went to say they don't carry this model.
Anyone can help ?
Thanks
Anyone can help ?
Thanks
Went to Mustafa but Mustafa only left Display set selling the same price as Cathay Photo for brand new set ...
Watch this, it says the NX70 has a new 2nd Edition. How do we know the one we purchase is 1st Edition or 2nd Edition ?
Sony NXCAM HXR-NX70 - 2nd Edition Trailer - PAL Long Version - YouTube
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Sony NXCAM HXR-NX70 - 2nd Edition Trailer - PAL Long Version - YouTube
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Bamboopictures
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2nd edition has 720p and rocker speed adjustment in the menu. It's just a firmware upgrade of first edition. You can download the firmware and DIY. If you don't need the waterproofing, go with the new NX30 instead. The stabilizer is like steadicam, way ahead of the NX70.
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Thanks for the info.
Leaving the waterproofing aside, is the NX30 better than the NX70 ? Is the NX30 cheaper than the NX70 ?
How is the NX70 compared to Canon XF100 ? Which one have a better sensor & thus picture quality ?
Once again, thank you.
Bamboopictures
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I think there are many strength the NX30 has over the NX70.
1. Its is cheaper at $2800.
2. It has superior image stabilization way ahead of any other camcorder.
3. It has a built in projector.
4. This is subjective, but the NX30 command dial could be a better idea than the many manual buttons that you have to memorize on the NX70
5. NX30 is light enough for any DLSR slider, jib, steadicam.
XF100 uses a 50Mbs MPEG2 long-gop compression regarded as the best in class. But that's the compression, not the sensor quality. Personally, I think sony Exmor is less noisy than DIGIC.
1. Its is cheaper at $2800.
2. It has superior image stabilization way ahead of any other camcorder.
3. It has a built in projector.
4. This is subjective, but the NX30 command dial could be a better idea than the many manual buttons that you have to memorize on the NX70
5. NX30 is light enough for any DLSR slider, jib, steadicam.
XF100 uses a 50Mbs MPEG2 long-gop compression regarded as the best in class. But that's the compression, not the sensor quality. Personally, I think sony Exmor is less noisy than DIGIC.
I was considering the XA10 when I came across the NX30, and while reviewing the NX30, I learned more about the NX70
Regarding the image stabilization, isn't that the same with the NX70?
Regarding the command dial, does anybody have any actual practical experience to share? At the moment there is very limited practical reviews about the NX30, and I don't want to rush into something that later turn out to be less than practical.
I could live without the rain/dustproof of the NX70 but that is a really good feature for some and the price savings for the NX30 of almost $1200 could buy me a good set of mic. But I right now I can't decide between the NX30 and NX70.
Hmmm..... now I gotta lose more sleep over this until more practical reviews of the NX30 is available. Life is about choices but sometimes if you are given too many choices, they come with free headaches too
Regarding the image stabilization, isn't that the same with the NX70?
Regarding the command dial, does anybody have any actual practical experience to share? At the moment there is very limited practical reviews about the NX30, and I don't want to rush into something that later turn out to be less than practical.
I could live without the rain/dustproof of the NX70 but that is a really good feature for some and the price savings for the NX30 of almost $1200 could buy me a good set of mic. But I right now I can't decide between the NX30 and NX70.
Hmmm..... now I gotta lose more sleep over this until more practical reviews of the NX30 is available. Life is about choices but sometimes if you are given too many choices, they come with free headaches too
Bamboopictures
Senior Member
The NX30 uses Sony's Balanced Optical Stabilisation. The construction of the camera is simply magic. The lense element and sensor floats like a gimbal inside the camera casing. This new construction is also found in the consumer CX760 and PJ760. If you can live without XLR inputs , the PJ760 at $2000 is the NX30 minus the XLR. There are plenty of handheld sample videos of the PJ760 on vimeo and youtube. CX760 (less projector) is not available in Singapore.
I have the NX70, and the rocker control is still quite poor even after the firmware upgrade. I've tried the NX30 hands-on and its has even better rocker sensitivity.
I have the NX70, and the rocker control is still quite poor even after the firmware upgrade. I've tried the NX30 hands-on and its has even better rocker sensitivity.
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Thanks. Good to hear from an actual user. Given your first hand experience with the NX70, and assuming you have not bought it, today would you buy the NX70 or the NX30?
It's disappointing to hear that the zoom rocker is still not up to expectation after the firmware upgrade. Otherwise Sony would have an undisputed winner here. That is exactly what's holding me back from jumping into the NX70. Very tempting but.......
By the way, how is the Optical Stabilization of the NX70 compared to the NX30?
On the balance, do you think the XF100 using the 50Mbps MPEG-2 will have much better video quality than the AVCHD in NX70 ?
Bamboopictures
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"Video quality" is made up of many variable - some quantifiable, others less so. You'll have to rely on your own preference.
50Mbps will have some advantage during fast changing scene such as shots of moving water, fine detail such as rain and snow.
If your subject matter is less "taxing" it is virtually impossible to tell which is 50Mbps MPEG and which is 25Mbps AVCHD.
The more obvious difference in "video quality" will be in terms of sharpness, color reproduction, dynamic range, noise etc. Again even some of these qualities are also subjective. You just have to like what you see.
Having said that, the biggest advantage of long-gop MPEG-2 over AVCHD is the ease of editing. Most NLE will allow you start edtiing MPEG-2 natively straight away without transcoding. AVCHD is a bit less friendly in that respect.
On NX70 vs NX30, I'm definitely gettting the NX30 next. If it had been released earlier, NX30 will be my first choice. Stabilisation on the NX70 is good, but nowhere near the NX30.
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WHat are the parameters that will produce good sharpness ?
I edit a lot using Final Cut Pro X (FCPX) and I find AVHCD is quite ok. I have no issues with editing AVCHD on FCPX so far (touch wood).
WIll MPEG-2 be really easier to edit in FCPX ?
I think if you dont need the rain proof, then between NX30 & NX70, the choice is obvious, get the NX30 !
Bamboopictures
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Sharpness can be affected by lens coating, aperture size, focal length, method of focusing, autofocus algorithms, compression bitrate, aliasing and sensor resolution and and in-camera sharpening filters.
You can edit the XF100 footage in FCP without converting to ProRes.
You can edit the XF100 footage in FCP without converting to ProRes.
thanks but the variables are getting too many ... hahaha ...
ok, if all being equal, can i say that an APS-C sensor will produce sharper image than a single 1/3 CMOS sensor ?
thanks
Bamboopictures
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All things being equal, it will be MORE difficult to get a sharply focused image on an APS-C sensor than 1/3 CMOS.
1. The depth of field is shallower on a large sensor camera.
2. You don't have reliable autofocus on most APS-C hybrid/camcorder
If you want deep focus, (everything in frame is in focus) go with the smallest sensor camera and close down the aperture.
If you want very shallow, selective focus, with beautiful bokeh, go with APS-C sensor, paired with a fast lens/lensbaby.
Different cameras for different situations. 1/3 CMOS is great for news gathering, sports, event recording.
APS-C /full frame/micro4/3 is better for TVC, drama, short film, MTV, corporate videos.
This is based on the optics component of sharpness and my caveat is "all things being equal" (etc. bitrate, codec etc)
As an aside, if is also possible to get the shallow DOF field look of an APS-C DSLR with a 1/3 CMOS camcorder by means of 35mm adapters such as letus Micro35.
1. The depth of field is shallower on a large sensor camera.
2. You don't have reliable autofocus on most APS-C hybrid/camcorder
If you want deep focus, (everything in frame is in focus) go with the smallest sensor camera and close down the aperture.
If you want very shallow, selective focus, with beautiful bokeh, go with APS-C sensor, paired with a fast lens/lensbaby.
Different cameras for different situations. 1/3 CMOS is great for news gathering, sports, event recording.
APS-C /full frame/micro4/3 is better for TVC, drama, short film, MTV, corporate videos.
This is based on the optics component of sharpness and my caveat is "all things being equal" (etc. bitrate, codec etc)
As an aside, if is also possible to get the shallow DOF field look of an APS-C DSLR with a 1/3 CMOS camcorder by means of 35mm adapters such as letus Micro35.
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