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Beware of scam - SLR Accessory
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Post #10 by TS in the thread below did not match michaeltam remarks in his response in the present thread.
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1570739
TS was complaining about mouldy camera while, based on Michael's response, TS complained that one of the lens was returned mouldy...
eleveninth
Senior Member
Silence means.............. ?
shierwin
Senior Member
TS logged in 4pm yesterday.Still no comments........
jnet6
Senior Member
1st thing klk need to know the value of his items. Shop owner will say you can sell at any price you want. But of cos depending who wants to pay for it.
Check out our Clubsnap buy n sell on Nikon/canon AF slr.... No one willing to pay more for a film camera nowadays unless it's worth the value like Leica manual rf.
In this case klk has done some damage to the shop, thus he have to be responsible. So gonna wait for police to contact him and settle the case.
Let's get on with our daily routine... Can lock/delete this thread as it served no purpose other than wasting ppl time to read. (Including me)
Check out our Clubsnap buy n sell on Nikon/canon AF slr.... No one willing to pay more for a film camera nowadays unless it's worth the value like Leica manual rf.
In this case klk has done some damage to the shop, thus he have to be responsible. So gonna wait for police to contact him and settle the case.
Let's get on with our daily routine... Can lock/delete this thread as it served no purpose other than wasting ppl time to read. (Including me)
Yes,
one party reported police report.
another party is preparing taking legal action.
we should not making any comment on this issue any further.
however this thread will not be locked, will leave it to both parties to sort it out.
one party reported police report.
another party is preparing taking legal action.
we should not making any comment on this issue any further.
however this thread will not be locked, will leave it to both parties to sort it out.
MT tried to chronologies the series of events, attempted to explain himself away and tried pulling a fast one by making demand against me.
i. He alleged I have “plan” and is forcing him to buy my cameras at “any price”
ii. He stated “ Nor post any rebuttal on ..website … so that KLK’s personal reputation is untainted” - which is confusing, obviously even he don’t think he has any reputation so he put my initial instead....]
iii. It is most interesting to note that he has chosen a rather passive path ie :- not to make police report nor take legal action against me …hmmm
Well, to begin with, I really force myself to read his note because I am the TS and the victim here. It is rather painful and giving me a headache because his note confuse more than convey any messages. Removing all the window dressing that he tries so hard to conjure up (such as cordial interchange initially, in good faith he took in my gear, KLK was exceedingly pleasant until then, MT steadfastly refuse to buy etc etc) – the chronological event can be summarized in my police report and my complaint to ACRA which I will reproduce in subsequent post.
What he failed to address in his sloppy attempt are the followings:
(i) Testing my cameras
He entices me to place the camera with him for “testing”. He commented the lenses were in good condition at first glance but need further testing. The camera bodies need to be tested as well as I don’t have batteries in them at that time. He told me his “members” trust his review and so if the equipment is really in good condition they can get high price.
AND his receipt to me acknowledges that. It reads
“Receive the following cameras, lens , flash for review”
At this juncture, perhaps the photographic communities can advise what type of testing can be done by MT. And typically is there such requirement. I am a novice would appreciate feedback here.
I would never in my life leave those cameras with any stranger on my own volition had he not convinced me the absolutely necessity to do so. His pitch were:
(a) he has thousands of members with his shop [ I check his website http://www.slraccessory.com/ and saw mailing list, tutorial, activities etc – all suggesting this seems genuine ]
(b) all his client do that, in fact he has some 20 pieces of equipment left with him for sales [and pointing to the back of his counter while saying so, I did not bother to check if indeed there are 20 piece of equipment there] so this is not an ad hoc situation which leads me to believe it is part of such sales process for 2nd hand camera.
(c) he further proclaimed that after he has reviewed certain equipment for a seller and given his “rubber stamp” the selling price is about 20% higher had the seller try to sell it online himself.
(ii) My concurrence – that I agree the items listed on the receipt he gave me is the same item I accepted back.
Conversation goes like this and the reader be the judge
MT – can you read out the label on the Nikon camera body - what does it says, the word on the top right hand corner.
KLK – huh , what do you mean, the word F90?
Mt – yes – so it’s the same camera lor. How about the Canon lens – do you see 24-85mm
KLK – yes
MT – so you see , everything you took back is the same as what I have write down in the receipt
KLK – Michael, don’t embarrassed yourself please!
Do I need to explain further !!!
(iii) Facebook detail / friendly messages and cordial communication
First and foremost, MT is actually quite an easy going guy to chat with. Plus he has certain innocent demeanor. And I am equally pleasant guy too. So when a tall guy (apparently knows MT) walks into his shop on 19 Nov and started shaking his hand and congratulating MT about some 200 awards he garnered, I am curious and MT shared with me he took a lot of photos and posted them on various websites and he won so many awards. I did not bother about the details but he make it sounds like a big deal and of course I asked to see those pictures which he then ask me to go to his FB. To be fair to MT, the pictures are indeed very well taken [now that he swop my cameras, I half suspect if he swop other photographer’s pictures too..…hahahhhha]
Anyway I praise him for his works which he then told me he was criticized by certain community for being “haolian” and showing off when he tell everyone he wants to challenges himself – something along the line of trying to win certain number of awards by certain time – again sorry I cannot remember the nitty-gritty. So I encourage him instead – I told him if he thinks he is good, it is ok to put it up on website for all to enjoy and I certainly thinks the pictures of birds, insects and flowers he took looks great (still do – maybe MT is indeed a good photographer, or maybe he depends on a very good lens – hopefully he bought the lens himself).
I showed my wife MT’s FB pictures and she think his pictures is good too. Do you think his pictures are good? More importantly – how else we exchange FB account? Go figures.
(iv) my “change in attitude?”
To MT – can you please explain why in your note you fail to mention about the photo I send you via FB - essentially comparing my original camera against the one you gave me?
To everyone else – a perfectly working camera with very good condition lens (sorry not a camera but two cameras) was swopped into faulty mouldy cameras – would your attitude not change?
Please see below post for the entire FB message between MT and me - I rest my case!
(v) See point 2.5 in MT’s note: Within a week, KLK made an online police report and …… after MT steadfastly refused to buy over KLK’s gear at $400.
And also the claim that I “force him to buy at “any price”
On 24 Nov I collected the replace camera from MT during my short lunch break. I came back to office to confirm my suspicion - indeed the camera given to me is different from my original which I took picture before (I had plan to sell after seeing suggestion from club snap member so I took some pictures). I send a photo to MT’s FB at 1.30pm and tell him plainly “ one of them is the original”
I then contemplate what should I do to get redress for this cheating case. At this juncture I know the camera was swopped but does not know the condition of the replaced camera is that bad. I thought even if MT admitted he swop the camera (most likely he will claim unintentional) , and he did return me another body or lens, honestly I couldn’t tell the difference (at this stage you might ask why then the earlier photo I can tell - which I must say because this is a police case I am not revealing more detail but will divulge at a suitable time) The point is if I get back the “camera” it has to be mine, not any one but the one which I took for holiday, the one which accompany me for so many years and for so long I have taken good care of. But there is no way to be sure I am getting mine back.
So I decided the best course of action was to be nice so I called him and told him the followings:
(i) you saw the photos, so you know the camera is swop
(ii) but maybe it is not your intention to do so but accidental
(iii) to be fair to me I got cameras that does not actually belongs to me
(iv) but I still try to give concession so why don’t you take back all your gear and keep the original as well and pay me $400 instead of the $500 I had initially asked for.
(v) and for that I am prepared to settle the matter.
MT says he will think about it.
I then twiddle the camera and found the EOS 5 lens is really moldy and the dial is not working and the same for the other cameras – pretty much faulty. This is when I really fume and so I wrote to him at 4.48pm asking for payment by Sunday. But after 2 seconds, I asked myself why the **** am I so nice and giving him until Sunday, so I wrote the next message that I will report to police if he don’t pay me.
I followed with a call for which he challenge: “You sue me la”
I file the online police report on the same day at 17.43pm
ACRA
I decided to check up this idiot and came up with the followings
- Signage outside his shop is “SLR Accessory”
- His website is http://www.slraccessory.com/
- Business registration of SLR Accessory Pte Ltd is 201009721H and status is STRUCK OFF
Now he claimed his shop is actually DSLR Accessories with a different registration number which is 53195172C.
So is he deceiving customer by holding a live registration but making trade with a STRUCK OFF company?? Clearly his signage and website says it differently.
I decided to do the public a service by complaining about this struck off company to ACRA on 30 Nov.
i. He alleged I have “plan” and is forcing him to buy my cameras at “any price”
ii. He stated “ Nor post any rebuttal on ..website … so that KLK’s personal reputation is untainted” - which is confusing, obviously even he don’t think he has any reputation so he put my initial instead....]
iii. It is most interesting to note that he has chosen a rather passive path ie :- not to make police report nor take legal action against me …hmmm
Well, to begin with, I really force myself to read his note because I am the TS and the victim here. It is rather painful and giving me a headache because his note confuse more than convey any messages. Removing all the window dressing that he tries so hard to conjure up (such as cordial interchange initially, in good faith he took in my gear, KLK was exceedingly pleasant until then, MT steadfastly refuse to buy etc etc) – the chronological event can be summarized in my police report and my complaint to ACRA which I will reproduce in subsequent post.
What he failed to address in his sloppy attempt are the followings:
(i) Testing my cameras
He entices me to place the camera with him for “testing”. He commented the lenses were in good condition at first glance but need further testing. The camera bodies need to be tested as well as I don’t have batteries in them at that time. He told me his “members” trust his review and so if the equipment is really in good condition they can get high price.
AND his receipt to me acknowledges that. It reads
“Receive the following cameras, lens , flash for review”
At this juncture, perhaps the photographic communities can advise what type of testing can be done by MT. And typically is there such requirement. I am a novice would appreciate feedback here.
I would never in my life leave those cameras with any stranger on my own volition had he not convinced me the absolutely necessity to do so. His pitch were:
(a) he has thousands of members with his shop [ I check his website http://www.slraccessory.com/ and saw mailing list, tutorial, activities etc – all suggesting this seems genuine ]
(b) all his client do that, in fact he has some 20 pieces of equipment left with him for sales [and pointing to the back of his counter while saying so, I did not bother to check if indeed there are 20 piece of equipment there] so this is not an ad hoc situation which leads me to believe it is part of such sales process for 2nd hand camera.
(c) he further proclaimed that after he has reviewed certain equipment for a seller and given his “rubber stamp” the selling price is about 20% higher had the seller try to sell it online himself.
(ii) My concurrence – that I agree the items listed on the receipt he gave me is the same item I accepted back.
Conversation goes like this and the reader be the judge
MT – can you read out the label on the Nikon camera body - what does it says, the word on the top right hand corner.
KLK – huh , what do you mean, the word F90?
Mt – yes – so it’s the same camera lor. How about the Canon lens – do you see 24-85mm
KLK – yes
MT – so you see , everything you took back is the same as what I have write down in the receipt
KLK – Michael, don’t embarrassed yourself please!
Do I need to explain further !!!
(iii) Facebook detail / friendly messages and cordial communication
First and foremost, MT is actually quite an easy going guy to chat with. Plus he has certain innocent demeanor. And I am equally pleasant guy too. So when a tall guy (apparently knows MT) walks into his shop on 19 Nov and started shaking his hand and congratulating MT about some 200 awards he garnered, I am curious and MT shared with me he took a lot of photos and posted them on various websites and he won so many awards. I did not bother about the details but he make it sounds like a big deal and of course I asked to see those pictures which he then ask me to go to his FB. To be fair to MT, the pictures are indeed very well taken [now that he swop my cameras, I half suspect if he swop other photographer’s pictures too..…hahahhhha]
Anyway I praise him for his works which he then told me he was criticized by certain community for being “haolian” and showing off when he tell everyone he wants to challenges himself – something along the line of trying to win certain number of awards by certain time – again sorry I cannot remember the nitty-gritty. So I encourage him instead – I told him if he thinks he is good, it is ok to put it up on website for all to enjoy and I certainly thinks the pictures of birds, insects and flowers he took looks great (still do – maybe MT is indeed a good photographer, or maybe he depends on a very good lens – hopefully he bought the lens himself).
I showed my wife MT’s FB pictures and she think his pictures is good too. Do you think his pictures are good? More importantly – how else we exchange FB account? Go figures.
(iv) my “change in attitude?”
To MT – can you please explain why in your note you fail to mention about the photo I send you via FB - essentially comparing my original camera against the one you gave me?
To everyone else – a perfectly working camera with very good condition lens (sorry not a camera but two cameras) was swopped into faulty mouldy cameras – would your attitude not change?
Please see below post for the entire FB message between MT and me - I rest my case!
(v) See point 2.5 in MT’s note: Within a week, KLK made an online police report and …… after MT steadfastly refused to buy over KLK’s gear at $400.
And also the claim that I “force him to buy at “any price”
On 24 Nov I collected the replace camera from MT during my short lunch break. I came back to office to confirm my suspicion - indeed the camera given to me is different from my original which I took picture before (I had plan to sell after seeing suggestion from club snap member so I took some pictures). I send a photo to MT’s FB at 1.30pm and tell him plainly “ one of them is the original”
I then contemplate what should I do to get redress for this cheating case. At this juncture I know the camera was swopped but does not know the condition of the replaced camera is that bad. I thought even if MT admitted he swop the camera (most likely he will claim unintentional) , and he did return me another body or lens, honestly I couldn’t tell the difference (at this stage you might ask why then the earlier photo I can tell - which I must say because this is a police case I am not revealing more detail but will divulge at a suitable time) The point is if I get back the “camera” it has to be mine, not any one but the one which I took for holiday, the one which accompany me for so many years and for so long I have taken good care of. But there is no way to be sure I am getting mine back.
So I decided the best course of action was to be nice so I called him and told him the followings:
(i) you saw the photos, so you know the camera is swop
(ii) but maybe it is not your intention to do so but accidental
(iii) to be fair to me I got cameras that does not actually belongs to me
(iv) but I still try to give concession so why don’t you take back all your gear and keep the original as well and pay me $400 instead of the $500 I had initially asked for.
(v) and for that I am prepared to settle the matter.
MT says he will think about it.
I then twiddle the camera and found the EOS 5 lens is really moldy and the dial is not working and the same for the other cameras – pretty much faulty. This is when I really fume and so I wrote to him at 4.48pm asking for payment by Sunday. But after 2 seconds, I asked myself why the **** am I so nice and giving him until Sunday, so I wrote the next message that I will report to police if he don’t pay me.
I followed with a call for which he challenge: “You sue me la”
I file the online police report on the same day at 17.43pm
ACRA
I decided to check up this idiot and came up with the followings
- Signage outside his shop is “SLR Accessory”
- His website is http://www.slraccessory.com/
- Business registration of SLR Accessory Pte Ltd is 201009721H and status is STRUCK OFF
Now he claimed his shop is actually DSLR Accessories with a different registration number which is 53195172C.
So is he deceiving customer by holding a live registration but making trade with a STRUCK OFF company?? Clearly his signage and website says it differently.
I decided to do the public a service by complaining about this struck off company to ACRA on 30 Nov.
Police Report dated 24 Nov 2015, 17.43pm
I brought my cameras to a shop in Sunshine Plaza on 19 Nov hoping to sell it second-hand.
I was convinced by the shop-keeper, Michael Tam, to leave the equipments at the shop as he need to test it to see if the equipments are well-maintain and he will show his members who will then quote me a price. I ask for some receipt and he wrote down the camera model and make on a piece of paper he then signed and chop.
I told him I am looking to sell for $500 or more and he told me his commission is 10%. I also promise to pay him a small fee for his trouble if he cant sell but he decline anyway.
The camera equipments are:
1. Nikon F90 + lens 28-85 f3.5-4.5 + flash SB-25
2. Canon EOS 5 + lens 24-85mm f3.5-4.5 + EX540 flash + verticle grip VG10
He message me 2 days ago on 22 Nov regarding the pricing which is very low and I told him I prefer to collect it back.
I went to his shop today noon time and he gave me all the equipments back but they all looked very different. I ask him if he switch my equipment which he profusely denied and I apologise. I also made good my promise and pay him $20 for his service which he accepted.
I felt somehow the equipment look different and bring back to my office and compare with the photos I have taken previously which indeed confirm he cheated me. The camera body given to me is also spoil and also mouldy.
I ask that he pay me $400 as a concession on my part but he refuse hence I made this police report.
I brought my cameras to a shop in Sunshine Plaza on 19 Nov hoping to sell it second-hand.
I was convinced by the shop-keeper, Michael Tam, to leave the equipments at the shop as he need to test it to see if the equipments are well-maintain and he will show his members who will then quote me a price. I ask for some receipt and he wrote down the camera model and make on a piece of paper he then signed and chop.
I told him I am looking to sell for $500 or more and he told me his commission is 10%. I also promise to pay him a small fee for his trouble if he cant sell but he decline anyway.
The camera equipments are:
1. Nikon F90 + lens 28-85 f3.5-4.5 + flash SB-25
2. Canon EOS 5 + lens 24-85mm f3.5-4.5 + EX540 flash + verticle grip VG10
He message me 2 days ago on 22 Nov regarding the pricing which is very low and I told him I prefer to collect it back.
I went to his shop today noon time and he gave me all the equipments back but they all looked very different. I ask him if he switch my equipment which he profusely denied and I apologise. I also made good my promise and pay him $20 for his service which he accepted.
I felt somehow the equipment look different and bring back to my office and compare with the photos I have taken previously which indeed confirm he cheated me. The camera body given to me is also spoil and also mouldy.
I ask that he pay me $400 as a concession on my part but he refuse hence I made this police report.
ACRA – online complaint dated 30 Nov 2015
I was cheated and deceived recently by an unscrupulous shopkeeper, Michael Tam who operate SLR Accessories.
On 19 Nov 2015 I asked to sell my camera for payment of a 10% commission and was asked to leave the cameras with the shop for “testing” purpose.
I get a receipt acknowledging that I leave the camera with Michael (see attached). I also promise to pay Michael a small token if he cannot sell or if the prices are not acceptable to me. But he decline claiming it is a small matter.
Whilst in the shop during noon time on 19 Nov 2015, there are about 2 customer excluding myself, one bought something from this shop. Another customer was waiting for a certain camera equipment which he ordered.
He message me on facebook on 22 Nov about feedback on pricing which was not acceptable. I told him I want to get the camera back.
I went to his shop on 24 Nov 2015 but notice the cameras given back looked different. But I cannot be absolutely sure then. I also made good my promise and pay him $20 as a gesture for his effort.
When I returned to my office I compare the camera with photos I have taken of my original camera and noticed visible differences. The camera given to me is also faulty and mouldy.
I made a police report on this matter.
I also search ACRA and notice SLR Accessories is actually STRUCK OFF as at 5 June 2015 which mean this shop is operating without license and hence I am reporting this matter to ACRA and would appreciate I am keep appraise on your investigation.
The Police officer investigating this case is IO XXXXX and Police Report Number : XXX
INSP XX
Central Division
Singapore police Force
DID: XXX FAX XXX
Michael Tam facebook name is : Kengln Michael Tam
I understand the cheating case is not relevant to ACRA but if you need me to submit any claims of this cheating case such as photographs of the original and replace camera, I am happy to do so.
If you need to discuss this matter with me, feel free to contact me at xxxxxxxx
I was cheated and deceived recently by an unscrupulous shopkeeper, Michael Tam who operate SLR Accessories.
On 19 Nov 2015 I asked to sell my camera for payment of a 10% commission and was asked to leave the cameras with the shop for “testing” purpose.
I get a receipt acknowledging that I leave the camera with Michael (see attached). I also promise to pay Michael a small token if he cannot sell or if the prices are not acceptable to me. But he decline claiming it is a small matter.
Whilst in the shop during noon time on 19 Nov 2015, there are about 2 customer excluding myself, one bought something from this shop. Another customer was waiting for a certain camera equipment which he ordered.
He message me on facebook on 22 Nov about feedback on pricing which was not acceptable. I told him I want to get the camera back.
I went to his shop on 24 Nov 2015 but notice the cameras given back looked different. But I cannot be absolutely sure then. I also made good my promise and pay him $20 as a gesture for his effort.
When I returned to my office I compare the camera with photos I have taken of my original camera and noticed visible differences. The camera given to me is also faulty and mouldy.
I made a police report on this matter.
I also search ACRA and notice SLR Accessories is actually STRUCK OFF as at 5 June 2015 which mean this shop is operating without license and hence I am reporting this matter to ACRA and would appreciate I am keep appraise on your investigation.
The Police officer investigating this case is IO XXXXX and Police Report Number : XXX
INSP XX
Central Division
Singapore police Force
DID: XXX FAX XXX
Michael Tam facebook name is : Kengln Michael Tam
I understand the cheating case is not relevant to ACRA but if you need me to submit any claims of this cheating case such as photographs of the original and replace camera, I am happy to do so.
If you need to discuss this matter with me, feel free to contact me at xxxxxxxx
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so did you guys come to any intelligent conclusion about my short login - perhaps I am quite busy hmmm
Its a little late now and I am travelling tomorrow. I will write again for sure.
Some of you who commented here also responded to my Nov 13 post where I seek advise for sale. I guess if you look through what I have written as well as monitor the timeline - can probably tell 2 things:
- I am actually quite amateur on photography
- I did try to seek advice for selling camera.
If you are a good friend of MT and wish to show some support, well good for him. But ask yourself this question:
Its only a couple of hundred dollars - why do I do this? I don't even know that ****er!
Its a matter of principle !
MT did not kill my neighbour dog or rape the next door cat.
He did not assault me physically nor rob me of a huge fortune.
He did challenge me to sue him though.
He is right I wont do that because it is not worth hiring a lawyer for a couple of hundred buck.
But he did not expect me to follow through which I did and I will - Its a matter of principle.
Think of all the Jover Chew and Kong Hee that would have existed if none speaks up !!
Some of you who commented here also responded to my Nov 13 post where I seek advise for sale. I guess if you look through what I have written as well as monitor the timeline - can probably tell 2 things:
- I am actually quite amateur on photography
- I did try to seek advice for selling camera.
If you are a good friend of MT and wish to show some support, well good for him. But ask yourself this question:
Its only a couple of hundred dollars - why do I do this? I don't even know that ****er!
Its a matter of principle !
MT did not kill my neighbour dog or rape the next door cat.
He did not assault me physically nor rob me of a huge fortune.
He did challenge me to sue him though.
He is right I wont do that because it is not worth hiring a lawyer for a couple of hundred buck.
But he did not expect me to follow through which I did and I will - Its a matter of principle.
Think of all the Jover Chew and Kong Hee that would have existed if none speaks up !!
When I returned to my office I compare the camera with photos I have taken of my original camera and noticed visible differences. The camera given to me is also faulty and mouldy.
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LENS OR BODY MOULDY YOUR STATEMENT GAVE YOU AWAY...............
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LENS OR BODY MOULDY YOUR STATEMENT GAVE YOU AWAY...............
Please refrain from posting any comment on this issue, please be reminded police investigation and legal actions are on it way now, and I'm sure you don't want to find yourself caught in between.
