Beautiful can be lonely...
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D70sshooter
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Thanks for the comments, much appreciated.
I have guessed that some can take it with the knee being over whelming while others can't. :sweat:
so this i try to reduce it, by asking her to use her hand to conver the knee and change the lighting position.
Add another one, but not suitable for the title. Just want some comments.
I have guessed that some can take it with the knee being over whelming while others can't. :sweat:
so this i try to reduce it, by asking her to use her hand to conver the knee and change the lighting position.
Add another one, but not suitable for the title. Just want some comments.
Manager888
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No. 4 floats my boat, given the theme.
Hi,
It's a pity you did not understand a word of what I said. It's not a question to like or not like theses photographs and I did not even give you my personal feeling about your work.
My point is : your photographs have theses problems, if you want to improve your work, check this, theses are basic points you can improve with no problems. It's like people who write a book, if you make many typo errors, the book loses a lot of his value, I'm giving the typo errors, not my feeling on the story told in the book.
A rule, when you make portrait, is that we don't cut legs in the middle. That a rule, like we don't put a 's' for a singular word. You cut legs of your model wrongly in 2 of your pics, that's a typo error. Some photographers may not respect all the rules and anyway cut the legs, but neither you or me know enough all the rules and how we can violate them to do that.
It's like people who are unable to focus properly a picture and who post anyway pretending it's art. Art is when the photograph is wanted unfocused and is perfect as is.
Hope you understand better my point.
BR
Stephane
stephane - you are trying to bring across a message about discipline. to learn how to refine one's skill of when taking a well thought of shot. thats valid and to me, a valuable comment to keep.
however, at the end of the day trying to label him and his shots as "snapshots" (in not so many words) and "pretending it is art" - thats highly unnecessary, unmotivating and ineffective way to share your thoughts and for him to make full use of what you shared.
if you read his comments again - you might see another discipline too. overall, he is trying to justify his photos because he believes in his work and will stand by it.
shooter, i tumpang your thread wey - here is another "typo" mistake - a half face :S
portraits is more a kind of performance, a theatricalisation of identities. photography has the power to stun and excite the imagination, to make us dream.
D70sshooter
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Stephane, i do appreciate your comments.
But to me there is not hard rules in photography that you must follow or obey.
You can't compare it with spelling errors. Two totally different things.
Photography do have some guilde lines. but not neccesary that you must apply it in your photography.
So what you see as a "problem" is not really a "problem" for me.
hack, if me cutting her legs off is so wrong, then a lot of fashion photography also shoot it wrongly, i still see a lot in magazine. even in sticky thread of "photos we love" here, there are a lot of photos with legs being cut off. Some even right at the ankle part. They all still great photos.
hehe.. my nick here is not shooter lar. taken already. :sweat:
Do post as many as you like.
Difference between believing and knowledge.
artofshuenalogy
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Great shots. Nice use of light. I love the 2nd piece. The scribblings on the wall, the dressing of the model, the lighting and of course the model's expressions just fits together like jigsaw puzzle pieces to form a complete pretty picture :thumbsup: Keep it up
You know what, I actually agree with both Stephane as well as the TS's view in this particular thread.
There are rules, simple and basic ones but then again, rules being rules, not everyone is inclined to agree or to follow them, especially so in something as personal as the expression of one's view regarding a particular subject.
I am of the view that we can agree to disagree since stephane has shared his views and the TS himself sees it differently. This is not a bad thing in itself.
Cheers,
WG
There are rules, simple and basic ones but then again, rules being rules, not everyone is inclined to agree or to follow them, especially so in something as personal as the expression of one's view regarding a particular subject.
I am of the view that we can agree to disagree since stephane has shared his views and the TS himself sees it differently. This is not a bad thing in itself.
Cheers,
WG
That's true, for example, I don't write good enough in english and I make many mistakes. But I'll never be writer as well and as I mostly work in french companies, I've not really interest to improve my english more than necessary.
If man does not want to improve his way to make photographs, he can continue to ignore basic rules and just shoot as he believe it's good. At most, he'll become a good snapshooter (photographs are in focus and well exposed, who is quite easy with camera today as they do everything alone) and, with luck, he will make a good photo from time to time (without understanding why anyway).
I believe that when people post photographs here and when they don't respect basic rules and call C&C, it's not insane to just remind theses basic rules (how to frame a person for example).
And when Helmut Newton did not respect one of theses rules, believe me, he knew very well what he was doing and there was not one once of luck in the result.
nikontiger
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To me , I love all these photos, I think they are awesome. I would like to learn more about basics, is there a webpage I can go to see them? I thought its good to cut people off the legs, really :bsmilie: , so I really need to learn more
To me , I love all these photos, I think they are awesome. I would like to learn more about basics, is there a webpage I can go to see them? I thought its good to cut people off the legs, really :bsmilie: , so I really need to learn more
Hi,
I guess search on Google may give you some result, I learnt that when I was in photo school 20 years ago, I know some french book who talk about it. In English, PHOTOGRAPHY from John Freeman will give a good overview of all basic rules to make all kind of photographs. It's not my favorite, but it's good one to start. As well, tutorials of photo.net are quite good http://www.photo.net/learn/portraits/
Yep, you can cut the legs of a model as on this photo
But it's really at the top of the legs and not near the foot or on the middle.
Once more, some people may break the basic rules of portrait framing as Henri Cartier Bresson on this photo :
But you'll admit that the message of the photograph is so strong that rules become really not so important.
My point is that you can not break a rule that you don't know. Only people who have a very strong knowledge of the technical side of their work/hobby can start to forget it and break the rules to make new ones. Neither you or me (and anybody in this forum, I believe) is at this level.
Stephane
PS: Thanks to Henri Cartier Bresson and Peter Gowland as I used their photo to illustrate my point.
stephane - you are trying to bring across a message about discipline. to learn how to refine one's skill of when taking a well thought of shot. thats valid and to me, a valuable comment to keep.
however, at the end of the day trying to label him and his shots as "snapshots" (in not so many words) and "pretending it is art" - thats highly unnecessary, unmotivating and ineffective way to share your thoughts and for him to make full use of what you shared.
if you read his comments again - you might see another discipline too. overall, he is trying to justify his photos because he believes in his work and will stand by it.
shooter, i tumpang your thread wey - here is another "typo" mistake - a half face :S
portraits is more a kind of performance, a theatricalisation of identities. photography has the power to stun and excite the imagination, to make us dream.
The half face here works on a level. maybe less of the mat?
Hi,
I guess search on Google may give you some result, I learnt that when I was in photo school 20 years ago, I know some french book who talk about it. In English, PHOTOGRAPHY from John Freeman will give a good overview of all basic rules to make all kind of photographs. It's not my favorite, but it's good one to start. As well, tutorials of photo.net are quite good http://www.photo.net/learn/portraits/
Yep, you can cut the legs of a model as on this photo
But it's really at the top of the legs and not near the foot or on the middle.
Once more, some people may break the basic rules of portrait framing as Henri Cartier Bresson on this photo :
But you'll admit that the message of the photograph is so strong that rules become really not so important.
My point is that you can not break a rule that you don't know. Only people who have a very strong knowledge of the technical side of their work/hobby can start to forget it and break the rules to make new ones. Neither you or me (and anybody in this forum, I believe) is at this level.
Stephane
PS: Thanks to Henri Cartier Bresson and Peter Gowland as I used their photo to illustrate my point.
Stephene,
Thank you for being so clear as to explain or share what you think in such a manner. I am very sure it is appreciated.
Cheers,
WG
D70sshooter
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Stephene,
Thank you for being so clear as to explain or share what you think in such a manner. I am very sure it is appreciated.
Cheers,
WG
yes, thank you very much.
nikontiger
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Hi,
I guess search on Google may give you some result, I learnt that when I was in photo school 20 years ago, I know some french book who talk about it. In English, PHOTOGRAPHY from John Freeman will give a good overview of all basic rules to make all kind of photographs. It's not my favorite, but it's good one to start. As well, tutorials of photo.net are quite good http://www.photo.net/learn/portraits/
Yep, you can cut the legs of a model as on this photo
But it's really at the top of the legs and not near the foot or on the middle.
Once more, some people may break the basic rules of portrait framing as Henri Cartier Bresson on this photo :
But you'll admit that the message of the photograph is so strong that rules become really not so important.
My point is that you can not break a rule that you don't know. Only people who have a very strong knowledge of the technical side of their work/hobby can start to forget it and break the rules to make new ones. Neither you or me (and anybody in this forum, I believe) is at this level.
Stephane
PS: Thanks to Henri Cartier Bresson and Peter Gowland as I used their photo to illustrate my point.
Thanks for sharing, sounds interesting.
nikontiger
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stephane - you are trying to bring across a message about discipline. to learn how to refine one's skill of when taking a well thought of shot. thats valid and to me, a valuable comment to keep.
however, at the end of the day trying to label him and his shots as "snapshots" (in not so many words) and "pretending it is art" - thats highly unnecessary, unmotivating and ineffective way to share your thoughts and for him to make full use of what you shared.
if you read his comments again - you might see another discipline too. overall, he is trying to justify his photos because he believes in his work and will stand by it.
shooter, i tumpang your thread wey - here is another "typo" mistake - a half face :S
portraits is more a kind of performance, a theatricalisation of identities. photography has the power to stun and excite the imagination, to make us dream.
Oh man, so much potential, I see a pool of blood from her head will truly bring about a strong message for this photo, definitely not a typo after that ...bloods are props too :bsmilie:
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