Canonised said:esp if mau_lovers go there with her artistic poses ... i'll go buy a new 5-step ladder ...:lovegrin:
Sigh ... I REALLY WISH I COULD - I want to protest on behalf of PETA!!:angry: SURE GET ARRESTED!
Canonised said:esp if mau_lovers go there with her artistic poses ... i'll go buy a new 5-step ladder ...:lovegrin:
thedellis said:Yappy, you are totally missing the point. Again. So here's what's happening.
You have a nice house, and hear about some people that may or may not visit your area. You think -- it would be great for me to host these people, so you contact them and say 'Please come and stay at my house. I will do anything you ask for the privilege of housing you. Please, please, please.'
To continue with your awful metaphor, they say 'That sounds good, but there is a problem. You have a sofa set in the hallway and we need that in the kitchen. In fact it is very important that it go in the kitchen. Can you do that?'
"Oh yes,' you reply, 'we most certainly can do that. It is not normal for us to do so, but you are very important guests and we will do anything you need.' And so an agreement is struck -- you are to move the sofa set as a minor part of having these guests at your house. In fact it is so important, that you even sign a contract declaring a guarantee that you will do so.
And so in time the guest arrives, and to his dismay notes that the sofa set is in the hallway. You say nothing. He asks you why you didn't move it. You say nothing. He says this was an contractual agreement. You say nothing. He asks you to move it. You say nothing.
Eventually the guest walks outside and tells the neighbours in your block how you have broken an important contract. Suddenly you can speak! You agree to move the sofa set a foot, but it is too late -- a foot, a mile, it doesn't matter, all your neighbours know is that you cannot be trusted and that contractual agreements mean nothing to you.
The guest is unlikely to stay at your house again, and neither are other important guests who were thinking of coming to your house.
Sorry for dumbing it down so much, but some people just seem incapable of understanding that the ramifications have little to do with whether the sofa set was moved at all. What will be retained is your unwillingness to adhere to contractual agreements especially in front of the world stage and your inability to seek a reasonable and timely compromise.
LazerLordz said:Consumption.
One major reason why so many Singaporeans do not believe/not want to believe in ideals that others have bled and died for.
Because it hurts and it doesn't give them an instant feel-good factor.
Shame on those who are guilty of this.
Good point :thumbsup:thedellis said:Sorry for dumbing it down so much, but some people just seem incapable of understanding that the ramifications have little to do with whether the sofa set was moved at all. What will be retained is your unwillingness to adhere to contractual agreements especially in front of the world stage and your inability to seek a reasonable and timely compromise.
thedellis said:Yappy, you are totally missing the point. Again. So here's what's happening.
You have a nice house, and hear about some people that may or may not visit your area. You think -- it would be great for me to host these people, so you contact them and say 'Please come and stay at my house. I will do anything you ask for the privilege of housing you. Please, please, please.'
To continue with your awful metaphor, they say 'That sounds good, but there is a problem. You have a sofa set in the hallway and we need that in the kitchen. In fact it is very important that it go in the kitchen. Can you do that?'
"Oh yes,' you reply, 'we most certainly can do that. It is not normal for us to do so, but you are very important guests and we will do anything you need.' And so an agreement is struck -- you are to move the sofa set as a minor part of having these guests at your house. In fact it is so important, that you even sign a contract declaring a guarantee that you will do so.
And so in time the guest arrives, and to his dismay notes that the sofa set is in the hallway. You say nothing. He asks you why you didn't move it. You say nothing. He says this was an contractual agreement. You say nothing. He asks you to move it. You say nothing.
Eventually the guest walks outside and tells the neighbours in your block how you have broken an important contract. Suddenly you can speak! You agree to move the sofa set a foot, but it is too late -- a foot, a mile, it doesn't matter, all your neighbours know is that you cannot be trusted and that contractual agreements mean nothing to you.
The guest is unlikely to stay at your house again, and neither are other important guests who were thinking of coming to your house.
Sorry for dumbing it down so much, but some people just seem incapable of understanding that the ramifications have little to do with whether the sofa set was moved at all. What will be retained is your unwillingness to adhere to contractual agreements especially in front of the world stage and your inability to seek a reasonable and timely compromise.
Good analogy.dawgbyte77 said:Its like this forum and we are happily exchanging opposite views. Some may get excited than others. Then suddenly the mod banned a few with no explanation. And later, after much prodding, says that those banned are a threat to the peace of the forum. The question is... how did the mod came up to that conclusion?
thedellis said:Sorry for dumbing it down so much, but some people just seem incapable of understanding that the ramifications have little to do with whether the sofa set was moved at all. What will be retained is your unwillingness to adhere to contractual agreements especially in front of the world stage and your inability to seek a reasonable and timely compromise.
AReality said:
Actually, one of the activist commented that it is not Singapore's fault. He said IMF already knew Singapore's stand, but they decided to hold the meeting here anyway. He blamed IMF.
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AReality said:Aiya...
No point arguing here.
U guys won't change anything by bickering here.
If got enough courage, go Hong Lim Park now join Dr Chee. He's still there since saturday morning.
Actually, one of the activist commented that it is not Singapore's fault. He said IMF already knew Singapore's stand, but they decided to hold the meeting here anyway. He blamed IMF.
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thedellis said:Yappy, you are totally missing the point. Again. So here's what's happening.
You have a nice house, and hear about some people that may or may not visit your area. You think -- it would be great for me to host these people, so you contact them and say 'Please come and stay at my house. I will do anything you ask for the privilege of housing you. Please, please, please.'
To continue with your awful metaphor, they say 'That sounds good, but there is a problem. You have a sofa set in the hallway and we need that in the kitchen. In fact it is very important that it go in the kitchen. Can you do that?'
"Oh yes,' you reply, 'we most certainly can do that. It is not normal for us to do so, but you are very important guests and we will do anything you need.' And so an agreement is struck -- you are to move the sofa set as a minor part of having these guests at your house. In fact it is so important, that you even sign a contract declaring a guarantee that you will do so.
And so in time the guest arrives, and to his dismay notes that the sofa set is in the hallway. You say nothing. He asks you why you didn't move it. You say nothing. He says this was an contractual agreement. You say nothing. He asks you to move it. You say nothing.
Eventually the guest walks outside and tells the neighbours in your block how you have broken an important contract. Suddenly you can speak! You agree to move the sofa set a foot, but it is too late -- a foot, a mile, it doesn't matter, all your neighbours know is that you cannot be trusted and that contractual agreements mean nothing to you.
The guest is unlikely to stay at your house again, and neither are other important guests who were thinking of coming to your house.
Sorry for dumbing it down so much, but some people just seem incapable of understanding that the ramifications have little to do with whether the sofa set was moved at all. What will be retained is your unwillingness to adhere to contractual agreements especially in front of the world stage and your inability to seek a reasonable and timely compromise.
Yappy said:................ They are logical people and they know what they want and what they need.
... would anyone wish to suggest the next good place to hold such gathering and why?
junnelt said:Just want to share (extract from Yahoo news)
Activists not convinced S'pore-bashing Paul Wolfowitz on their side
The irony is that he is normally the target, not the man on the high horse.
When World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz took it upon himself to champion the cause of the civil society organisations (CSOs) - by taking a swipe at Singapore - he did not convince too many activists that he was on their side. On the other hand, he has managed to irritate a number of Singaporeans.
When Singaporean authorities wanted to keep a number of activists at bay for the duration of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) -World Bank meetings here, Mr Wolfowitz publicly termed the move "authoritarian".
He went on to say that a lot of damage had been done to Singapore and that much of it was "self-inflicted".
While a compromise of sorts has been struck on the activists issue, some Singaporeans are outraged by Mr Wolfowitz's public comments.
Said Ms P L Tay, a manager in the tourism industry: "I found it rude and I feel very sad because the amount of preparations that we put in was humongous, be it retailers, the police, hoteliers or the airport staff. We literally closed down the country for you. You're a guest and you can be diplomatic even if you are not happy about something."
Echoing her sentiment was law graduate Siow Jia Rui, who felt that it would be na07ve to think that the IMF and World Bank officials were unaware of Singapore's strict stance on protests.
He said: "The IMF and World Bank are in a position whereby they know their personal safety will not be in doubt and they look good when they say they want to engage the CSOs, but their hands are tied because, 'Sorry, Singapore does not want to let them in'."
The delegates are able to breathe easier this year because unlike at previous meetings, whereby they "get slammed left, right, centre", a lot of CSOs are firing their salvos at Singapore, which takes some heat off the delegates, he argued.
According to local media reports, World Bank officials are said to be privately "very happy"with the arrangements by the S2006 organising committee for the meetings.
Some observers also found it hypocritical that the World Bank, which is now stressing its liberal image, had picked an unobtrusive site for the protests even though Singaporean authorities had offered it more prominent venues.
So was Mr Wolfowitz right to criticise Singapore?
Ms Sandy Krawitz of ActionAid International said bluntly: "When it comes to democracy, the World Bank and IMF are no experts."
Describing Mr Wolfowitz as the "architect of the Iraq war three years ago" and touching on the controversy over his appointment to head the World Bank, as well as the anti-democratic manner that the IMF and World Bank hammers out economic policies for developing countries, Ms Krawitz argued that the two institutions knew exactly what they were getting into when Singapore was picked as a host venue in 2003.
Also, the two institutions should have started liaising with the Singapore authorities "way ahead" of this month's meetings if they were keen on engaging the CSOs.
Added Ms Krawitz: "I think that when you point your finger at someone else, you're pointing the other four back at yourself."
Ms Shalmali Guttal from Focus on the Global South has reason to be bitter. She is one of the five activists who will not be allowed into Singapore. She would like an explanation for that.
Even so, she does not buy the World Bank's efforts to ingratiate itself with the CSOs, when it is a target of much of their ire. Besides, she says she has nothing against Singaporeans.
"Singaporeans have been so nice," concurred Ms Krawitz. "I really do understand the Four Million Smiles campaign." - /ra
seankyh said:Wah.. now we see the other story.. Thanks very much for sharing.
In the end, whether singapore is right or IMF/WB is right, it saddens me that the party they are trying so hard to help is not benifitting ie: the poor and needy.