Anymore market for DVCpro and Beta SP

[sundazz]

sad to say.. we own a few sets of beta SP deck! but we doing more on corporate sturf and format conversion.. so the equip is still in good use.
but think will go into HD rather then Dbeta.. if need to then find sources to upload or down load lor
anyway tot of buying the DVCpro camera to rent out.. just wonder how good is the local market?

 

[ilovehouse]

Also my friend, Sony had officially terminated the BetaSP line of products abt 2 year ago....if you think SPbeta will stay for long, it will, probably in the corporate video world...and probably the repair/maintainence cost will be so high that it's more worth it to chuck the gears and buy new machines.

sad to say.. we own a few sets of beta SP deck! but we doing more on corporate sturf and format conversion.. so the equip is still in good use.
but think will go into HD rather then Dbeta.. if need to then find sources to upload or down load lor
anyway tot of buying the DVCpro camera to rent out.. just wonder how good is the local market?

Buy the HDCAM HDWM2000. WIth legacy support (playback SP, SX, IMX, DB and HDCAM) , i think that's a good buy. Region, around 90k.

 

[DXNMedia]

Sir,

gimmie a buzz one of these days...we'll talk and I'll share some of my experience and opinion if you don't mind. ;D

 

[DXNMedia]

Buy the HDCAM HDWM2000. WIth legacy support (playback SP, SX, IMX, DB and HDCAM) , i think that's a good buy. Region, around 90k.

S$90k for a HD deck....think about it....think about your return of investments.
With the pathetic budgets out there for TV production, do you think you can make back the
S$90k in 5 years generating income from that deck? Wat about depreciation?

How many people are shooting in HDCAM locally? How many HDCAM cameras are out there now locally? I think the camera companies and post houses should work together....decide on a format and use it, and collaborate....

What if X camera company buys 10 DVCPro HD cameras and none of the post houses supports this format? If no one does post with this format, do you think producers/clients will want to use this format? If you buy HDCAM and says this is the 'preferred' format, producers or clients will say they can rent cheaper HD cameras out there......

kind of a chicken and egg situation, but industry players must set the standards...TV stations or project commissioners must be able to raise the budgets....or else be happy sticking with the DigiBeta SD format....

It'll be stupid to move towards HD when most people can't even handle SD TV well enough.

:sweat:

 

[Shawn The Farmer]

very interesting topic. i got nothing to contribute or comment on but thanks guys

 

[ilovehouse]

S$90k for a HD deck....think about it....think about your return of investments.
With the pathetic budgets out there for TV production, do you think you can make back the
S$90k in 5 years generating income from that deck? Wat about depreciation?

How many people are shooting in HDCAM locally? How many HDCAM cameras are out there now locally? I think the camera companies and post houses should work together....decide on a format and use it, and collaborate....

What if X camera company buys 10 DVCPro HD cameras and none of the post houses supports this format? If no one does post with this format, do you think producers/clients will want to use this format? If you buy HDCAM and says this is the 'preferred' format, producers or clients will say they can rent cheaper HD cameras out there......

kind of a chicken and egg situation, but industry players must set the standards...TV stations or project commissioners must be able to raise the budgets....or else be happy sticking with the DigiBeta SD format....

It'll be stupid to move towards HD when most people can't even handle SD TV well enough.

:sweat:

true true! u 've got a valid point. but end of the day, its not my money. heh. i just make use of these decks lying around my office. but chill, dont sweat it bro.

Mega media / Frameworks / VHQ, i believe, are the only places where they have a full HDCAM workflow, but i really have my doubts on what they have and dont have. unless you're talking abt the big boys like Ascent. Now, they're a world wide MNC entity so obviously they should be more futureproof? (more knowledgeable bros, can correct me on this)

I guess, the whole HD routemap is somewhat a vision, and if pple decide that its a feasible future, then i guess the economy and local industry will SLOWLY swing there. but for now, its expensive i knw, but there are small players who are gearing up slowly. in somewhat of an anticipation.

my 2 cents worth!

aquafire ? arent you guys doing graphics/ furdography? hmm, now doing TV work?

 

[Shawn The Farmer]

aquafire ? arent you guys doing graphics/ furdography? hmm, now doing TV work?

we havent done TV for a while now actually!

 

[DXNMedia]

Nowadays, it's very common to see namecards stating that they do everything....from print, to TV, to events....I call it the BAO GAO LIAO companies. They do everything, specialise in everything, can produce anything. ;p

But these companies are good coz they bring us business, do all the liasing with the clients, and take the pain away from us.....but sometimes, it is these companies who spoil the market by quoting low, taking in projects that are too low in budget to produce, and squeeze post facilities & not paying camera persons after job is done....sometimes it takes months to chase payments.


I do my part in refusing to work for some of these people, insisting on COD payments, and refuse to take in jobs below market rates.

So I strongly urge and advise fellow industry practitioners; DO NOT UNDERCUT on rates or it'll just kill your own ricebowls. Lowering your rates mean lowering your own value in your talent/skills in our specialised industry...that sets the difference between professionals who do this field for a living and amatuers/semi-pro who do this part time.

 

[ilovehouse]

Nowadays, it's very common to see namecards stating that they do everything....from print, to TV, to events....I call it the BAO GAO LIAO companies. They do everything, specialise in everything, can produce anything. ;p

But these companies are good coz they bring us business, do all the liasing with the clients, and take the pain away from us.....but sometimes, it is these companies who spoil the market by quoting low, taking in projects that are too low in budget to produce, and squeeze post facilities & not paying camera persons after job is done....sometimes it takes months to chase payments.


I do my part in refusing to work for some of these people, insisting on COD payments, and refuse to take in jobs below market rates.

So I strongly urge and advise fellow industry practitioners; DO NOT UNDERCUT on rates or it'll just kill your own ricebowls. Lowering your rates mean lowering your own value in your talent/skills in our specialised industry...that sets the difference between professionals who do this field for a living and amatuers/semi-pro who do this part time.

heh. true true!

Anyone needs a producer ? please PM me! hah.

i'll bring my showreel!

 

[trucatus]

heh. true true!

Anyone needs a producer ? please PM me! hah.

i'll bring my showreel!

This guy is a work hourse. Cheers.....

 

[ilovehouse]

This guy is a work hourse. Cheers.....

no lah.

i do what i can only.

Bro trucatus has been giving me advice and guiding me along!

 

[Shawn The Farmer]

u guys freelancers?

 

[ilovehouse]

u guys freelancers?

nope. now currently working for another organisation.

used to crew though like 3 years back.

 

[DXNMedia]

Freelancing is good.

Although no CPF contribution and dun have a really fixed income, the trade off is that you have more flexible timing for yourself and your family...and you're considered your own boss in some ways.....dun like a project, just dun take it.

For fulltime, you'd be churning out work for people everyday, day in and day out...and to some extend, i think it will kill your passion for what you do. :nono:

 

[Faiz]

Hahaha kinda true dixon it kills to be a full timer ! coz our society are getting smarter nowadays ! ppl armed wif dip in fsv degree thinks they are smart ! i'm a producer but u can't make up ur mind on what kinda shot u want! HD is a technology juz like dvcpro betasp digibeta dvcam and so on but whats the point of having million dollars worth of equipment just for bragging right? there's a lot of thing to do in hd world as a far as handling hd . it ain't ez handling hd i might lose my eyesight 1 day coz the details are damn sharp !

 

[DXNMedia]

Hahaha kinda true dixon it kills to be a full timer ! coz our society are getting smarter nowadays ! ppl armed wif dip in fsv degree thinks they are smart ! i'm a producer but u can't make up ur mind on what kinda shot u want! HD is a technology juz like dvcpro betasp digibeta dvcam and so on but whats the point of having million dollars worth of equipment just for bragging right? there's a lot of thing to do in hd world as a far as handling hd . it ain't ez handling hd i might lose my eyesight 1 day coz the details are damn sharp !

Well Faiz, you're absolutely right too...
in our line, degree and paper qualifications are not really useful...it's the experience that counts.

Sadly, those who grad with the relevant dip/deg think that they know a lot when they come into the industry.....some editors i know sadly dun even know the difference between VITC and LTC! I just got someone who claims that they started FCP editing since the 90s....i just shot back and told them that in the 90s there's not even FCP version 1 yet... ;p Try VHS editing during that era... :nono:

Some producers when they come sit in for editing sessions, they think that they know a lot....of course, for the creative part, i have no questions about them being bossy about....but I just hate it when they crosses the line and start telling me how to do my audio mix and color grading.

As for the HD part, i think they're all being hyped up, that's all.

 

[Faiz]

kinda true lah dixon they are smart they are creative but they don't know what is crossline 4 god sake's! i shot wif 1 of the lecturers of fsv he started to ask me eh u guys don't have kino ah? u guys dun have this ah? u guys dun hav that ah? wah can peng man ! i'm doing TV prog not TVC for god sake!

 

[DXNMedia]

Which lecturer?!!! Tell/PM me, If I know, I will feedback to the dept boss.. :bsmilie:

Sorry to say, most lecturers don;t even have industry experience to teach properly.....if I study some books by Focal Press and teach that based on the book, then every lesson I zap two to three pages to distribute to students, I also can become lecturer! hahhahahahah...

If I buy a Color Correction techniques book (from Focal press also), does that mean I can bullshit my way thru to be a high-end colorist that charges $300~500/hr? :nono:

These people buy Videomaker/DV magazine, see a new product and the review claims it's good, then they die,die must use it. ;P
Macham your request for kinoflo light... :bsmilie:
No matter practical or not, they dun care.....they must have big big names in the gear they use...

If dun have Arriflex cameras, they cannot make film.
if dun have Kino/Lowel lights, they cannot do lighting.
If dun have HD cameras, they think quality not good.
If dun have Avid system, they think they cannot be creative enough to be nominated for a film award.
If dun have Davinci, they cannot do a stunning color grade.
If dun have SSL, they cannot do a good audio mix.

yada yada yada......end of my ranting and get back to reality.....no choice but I have to admit that this is the way our industry is heading towards now....eventually, at the end of the day, my stand is that this wil be beneficial to the professionals.

An analogy is that a Ferrari, no matter how expensive they are, also gets their customers and market share....they are the high-end in the industry......at the other spectrum, the Kia/Chery, etc....though significantly cheaper, also have their own market share....so it depends on where you want to target and head towards.

:thumbsup:

 

[Faiz]

hahaha dun wana name them lah dix dun wana hurt their ego!

 

[sundazz]

If dun have Arriflex cameras, they cannot make film.
if dun have Kino/Lowel lights, they cannot do lighting.
If dun have HD cameras, they think quality not good.
If dun have Avid system, they think they cannot be creative enough to be nominated for a film award.
If dun have Davinci, they cannot do a stunning color grade.
If dun have SSL, they cannot do a good audio mix.

All you mentioned we oso dont have!!:cry: