Any Good Budding Photographers Around?


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Meower

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Hello,

I'm looking for any good photography hobbyists or semi pros who can help me shoot some photos and take some videos for my upcoming website. It is a partially advertising partially personal site. So the work has to be rather good. I will allow any of the materials taken to be added to your portfolio if you want. Just a weekend activity for you. Anyone interested? PM me or email at meower84@hotmail.com!! Thanks!
 

do you accept amateurs?
 

Meower said:
I will allow any of the materials taken to be added to your portfolio if you want.

i think by law the photographer owns the copyrights, unless he deliberately relinquishes it. Should be the photog allowing you to use the pics. Anyone (esp lawyers) want to clarify this point?
 

Meower said:
Hello,

I'm looking for any good photography hobbyists or semi pros who can help me shoot some photos and take some videos for my upcoming website. It is a partially advertising partially personal site. So the work has to be rather good. I will allow any of the materials taken to be added to your portfolio if you want. Just a weekend activity for you. Anyone interested? PM me or email at meower84@hotmail.com!! Thanks!

Hi Meower,

ANY materials taken by the photographer/videographer ARE intellectual properties of the photographer/videographer. So of course they can use them for their port-folio.

Not too sure what I am talking about? OK, let me explain. When you hire a photographer/videographer to do a shoot, whether paid or unpaid, they still own the copyrights, not the clients. Unless, there's a written and signed agreement saying the rights have been sold to the receiving party. This is why credits are given when the photos appears in media.

And if you decide later to use the photos for any commercial purposes, such as advertising. There should be prior arrangement with photographers on that if it's not in your original service agreement. Cuz it's infringement if you don't, and a lawsuit can follow should the service provider decides to take action.

I can understand the lack of such knowledge in the local aerena, because even big local press installations such as Straits Times cannot get their credits right, which is very sad. Hope this make you and other aware;)
 

Ofcourse ammateurs are welcomed! But you'll have to be good with some experience as this is partly for advertising. So directing, feelings, lightings must be good.

Oh I didn't know about that copyright law! I'm so sorry! But just a question, what about the person that's being taken? Aren't there a lot of cases where people sue photographers for taking photos of them without them knowing and publicising them?
 

Technically speaking, you need what we call the "model release agreement" stating the clauses of the contract. Especially if you selling them for $$$
 

Meower said:
Ofcourse ammateurs are welcomed! But you'll have to be good with some experience as this is partly for advertising. So directing, feelings, lightings must be good.

Oh I didn't know about that copyright law! I'm so sorry! But just a question, what about the person that's being taken? Aren't there a lot of cases where people sue photographers for taking photos of them without them knowing and publicising them?

Tat is because the photographer either use the person's photo to rake profit or to humilate the person in the photograph. However, if it was taken for own use, for example keep as portfolio, the person cannot do anything, much.
 

Meower said:
Ofcourse ammateurs are welcomed! But you'll have to be good with some experience as this is partly for advertising. So directing, feelings, lightings must be good.

Oh I didn't know about that copyright law! I'm so sorry! But just a question, what about the person that's being taken? Aren't there a lot of cases where people sue photographers for taking photos of them without them knowing and publicising them?

My suggestion, hire a professional. I know there are quite a few professionals here in clubsnap.

If it is for advertising, it is just fitting that you get quality, and it is just fitting that you pay for what you get. You cannot expect an amateurs or a hobbyists to own eqiupments with the standard of a Semi-professional or Professional. They might have the artistic flair for it, but certianly not the equipment fitting.

You want professional output? Hire a professional. As the saying goes, you pay peanuts you get monkeys ....... by the way, if you just needed help, I am quite sure a lot of people will want to help, but to put so much responsiblity onto them will be quite unfair to the person who volunteered it.
 

generally correct :) :thumbsup:

ST1100 said:
i think by law the photographer owns the copyrights, unless he deliberately relinquishes it. Should be the photog allowing you to use the pics. Anyone (esp lawyers) want to clarify this point?
 

Unfortunately this is incorrect. Once the photographer is commissioned (for valuable consideration) by someone to do a job, even in the absence of an express assignment of rights, the rights should be with the commissioner not the photographer.

credits are prob for those cases where there was no commissioning or where it was done as consideration.

ZeusS said:
Hi Meower,

Not too sure what I am talking about? OK, let me explain. When you hire a photographer/videographer to do a shoot, whether paid or unpaid, they still own the copyrights, not the clients. Unless, there's a written and signed agreement saying the rights have been sold to the receiving party. This is why credits are given when the photos appears in media.

I can understand the lack of such knowledge in the local aerena, because even big local press installations such as Straits Times cannot get their credits right, which is very sad. Hope this make you and other aware;)
 

model release agreements should only be relevant where there are specific laws on this, just like hte situation where Meower highlighted below, e.g. in USA. In Singapore, Im unaware of any such governing provisions.

that said, if the photo is defamatory, then there is still a cause of action, but not becuase its merely for profit or commercially exploited.

ZeusS said:
Technically speaking, you need what we call the "model release agreement" stating the clauses of the contract. Especially if you selling them for $$$


Meower said:
Oh I didn't know about that copyright law! I'm so sorry! But just a question, what about the person that's being taken? Aren't there a lot of cases where people sue photographers for taking photos of them without them knowing and publicising them?
 

vince123123 said:
Unfortunately this is incorrect. Once the photographer is commissioned (for valuable consideration) by someone to do a job, even in the absence of an express assignment of rights, the rights should be with the commissioner not the photographer.

credits are prob for those cases where there was no commissioning or where it was done as consideration.

No, that's why I mentioned later on in my earlier posting that it depends on your agreement clauses when it's ben sold/passed on to the client when the job is done.

Then again, you used the term "commissioned" which takes on a differnet meaning with your client. In this particuliar siatuation, it's normally pre-agreed and understood that the works changes IP ownership once it's been handed over. In commissioned work, normally a very high fee is charged thus including the change of rights. Normally in hugh scale project.

Just to make thing clearer, let's take a simple example. A wedding photographer closes a deal to shoot couple for their wedding portraits. After the shoot is done, works handed over, and charges paid, who is now the copyright owner?

Answer: The photographer of course. Unless the couple decides to buy over the rights, which most everyday couple wouldn't do, due to the fact a higher fee is to be charged.

And in the magazines where photo are ALWAYS (local publications execpted) credited, EVEN whe they have paid for it. Sepcially with the fact that overseas publications normally buys photos from image agencies rather than use in-house photographers like local ones (whom are underpaid and overworked).

Well, like I mentioned before, there's just no coulture here yet with respect to copyright laws and people's work. At least not yet.
 

ZeusS said:
No, that's why I mentioned later on in my earlier posting that it depends on your agreement clauses when it's ben sold/passed on to the client when the job is done.

Well, what you mentioned in your earlier post was that the rights belong to the photographer UNLESS there is an express agreement otherwise.

What i am saying is that unless there is an express agreement that the rights belong to the photograhpher, the rights belong to the commissioner of hte work. if there is no agreement or the parties are silent abt it, it belongs to the commissioner.

Then again, you used the term "commissioned" which takes on a differnet meaning with your client. In this particuliar siatuation, it's normally pre-agreed and understood that the works changes IP ownership once it's been handed over. In commissioned work, normally a very high fee is charged thus including the change of rights. Normally in hugh scale project.

the term "commissioned" is not a term coined up by me, but one that is used in the Copyright Act, therefore there is no "different meaning". whether the fees are high or low does not affect the legal position. perhaps u may be applying US law to Singapore.

Just to make thing clearer, let's take a simple example. A wedding photographer closes a deal to shoot couple for their wedding portraits. After the shoot is done, works handed over, and charges paid, who is now the copyright owner?

Answer: The photographer of course. Unless the couple decides to buy over the rights, which most everyday couple wouldn't do, due to the fact a higher fee is to be charged.

Under Singapore law, wrong again, the couple owns the rights. what should probably done in everyday life is that the photographer should tell the couple as follows:

If you want the rights, then I charge $800
If you pass the rights back to me, I charge you $300.

it does not affect the basic premise that in the absence of specific agreement, the rights belong to the commissioner.

Do note that an important caveat is that the commissioner only owns the rights with respect to the purpose the photograph was commissioned. ie, the wedding couple only has rights to the works as agreed....they cannot later use the works for say, advertising or whatever which has not been contemplated by the parties.


And in the magazines where photo are ALWAYS (local publications execpted) credited, EVEN whe they have paid for it. Sepcially with the fact that overseas publications normally buys photos from image agencies rather than use in-house photographers like local ones (whom are underpaid and overworked).

Like I said, you may be applying the laws of the wrong jurisdiction here. reading from photo.net and all may not be applicable in Singapore.
 

vince123123 said:
Well, what you mentioned in your earlier post was that the rights belong to the photographer UNLESS there is an express agreement otherwise.

What i am saying is that unless there is an express agreement that the rights belong to the photograhpher, the rights belong to the commissioner of hte work. if there is no agreement or the parties are silent abt it, it belongs to the commissioner.



the term "commissioned" is not a term coined up by me, but one that is used in the Copyright Act, therefore there is no "different meaning". whether the fees are high or low does not affect the legal position. perhaps u may be applying US law to Singapore.

I am fully aware of the term "commissioned" and at no point did I mentioned that you coined up the above jargon. What you have mentioned above with regards to copyrights/IP ownership is the exact opposite. Photographer has rights NOT client, unless otherwise stated.



vince123123 said:
Under Singapore law, wrong again, the couple owns the rights. what should probably done in everyday life is that the photographer should tell the couple as follows:

If you want the rights, then I charge $800
If you pass the rights back to me, I charge you $300.

it does not affect the basic premise that in the absence of specific agreement, the rights belong to the commissioner.

Do note that an important caveat is that the commissioner only owns the rights with respect to the purpose the photograph was commissioned. ie, the wedding couple only has rights to the works as agreed....they cannot later use the works for say, advertising or whatever which has not been contemplated by the parties.

You don't ask the couple to pass the rights back, and charge less. A friend recently told me he would rather give the photo away and gain credit than to sell them and loose copyright! A common misconception. Once again, photograher/service provider has rights unless otherwise stated.




vince123123 said:
Like I said, you may be applying the laws of the wrong jurisdiction here. reading from photo.net and all may not be applicable in Singapore.

Sorry, none of the above are with any refernece in Photo.net, and I am not sure if the signing of US Copyright Laws by the Government has included all acts and by-law of the constitutions to be used and applied to Singagpore context. Can someone with more in-depth knowledge clarify that.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,2134371,00.htm

http://www.bizasia.com/intellectual_property_/e6ka4/singapore_signs_us_copyright.htm

Cheers;)
 

Kaoz, reading this thread made me go and dig up my old old archived ROM and read up the damn Act. :D

Please refer to Singapore's Copyright Act, Chapter 63, Part III, Division I, Articles 26 to 30.

Vince123123, correct section of not? :)
 

Heh you seem very sure of urself, just to give you a chance to elaborate, maybe you can tell us the basis of your conclusions? any authorities or how you come to conclude what you have concluded below?

:)

ZeusS said:
I am fully aware of the term "commissioned" and at no point did I mentioned that you coined up the above jargon. What you have mentioned above with regards to copyrights/IP ownership is the exact opposite. Photographer has rights NOT client, unless otherwise stated.

You don't ask the couple to pass the rights back, and charge less. A friend recently told me he would rather give the photo away and gain credit than to sell them and loose copyright! A common misconception. Once again, photograher/service provider has rights unless otherwise stated.

Cheers;)
 

Another interesting read on the copyright law.

here's the link to the IPOS of Singapore.
 

Aiya why u so fast post??? I wanted to see what basis or authority ZeusS comes up with....(if any)


AJ23 said:
Another interesting read on the copyright law.

here's the link to the IPOS of Singapore.
 

Anyway since AJ23 has already let the cat out of the bag (hee hee), here's the full section which is relevant on the matter.

Section 30(5) Copyright Act

...where —

(a) a person makes, for valuable consideration, an agreement with another person for the taking of a photograph, the painting or drawing of a portrait or the making of an engraving by the other person; and

(b) the work is made in pursuance of the agreement,

the first-mentioned person shall be entitled to any copyright subsisting in the work by virtue of this Part, except that if the work is required for any particular purpose, that purpose shall be communicated to that other person and that other person shall be entitled to restrain the doing, otherwise than for that particular purpose, of any act comprised in the copyright in the work.

hope that changes ZeusS mind. like i said, perhaps he was comparing to the laws in other jurisdictions without checking if they are applicable to Singapore.

AJ23 said:
Kaoz, reading this thread made me go and dig up my old old archived ROM and read up the damn Act. :D

Please refer to Singapore's Copyright Act, Chapter 63, Part III, Division I, Articles 26 to 30.

Vince123123, correct section of not? :)
 

vince123123 said:
Anyway since AJ23 has already let the cat out of the bag (hee hee), here's the full section which is relevant on the matter.

heehee, I only see your post when I clicked submit. :)

Anyway, I think it's good to let all to know more about the laws and their rights. :) And thanks to vince123123 for pointing it out.
 

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