Alamak! DxOMark reveals the EP3 / EPL3 / EPM3 are still using the same sensor as EP2?

[Evilmerlin]

The saying "If it works, buy it" only really works if the buyer KNOWS what they are looking for... the problem here is, many newbie cameramen have no idea what they are looking for, and have unusually high expectations that if they buy a camera and it will do all the magic to produce an amazing image. That is where they are wrong.

Therefore there is a period of trial and error before someone know their gear.

Then you have the experienced pros telling you "all cameras produces great images" which confuse the hell out of the newbies...

Know your technical/art skill level and ask questions. You will then be matched with the right answers.

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Back to the topic : Specs on cameras alone does not produce killer images, the engine plays a big part in it. Just like a lot of people did not understand and fully utilise the extended DR in the dark areas of Olympus when they are shooting tough-to-light images and then complain about shadow noise. I find them very funny. Blaming the gear and not understanding your gear will not help solve the problem. Even if you are using a RED or medium format camera. You will still have complaints until you know your gear and maximise them.

So DxOMark is suggesting nothing has changed, and only the processing engine did... maybe Olympus was lying, maybe they didn't... I don't know... if it works, then buy it... the improved AF is one compelling reason for some, the new functions is helping loads, etc.

Ok, something new to me here. Extended shadow DR? You mean I can afford to expose more for highlights and let the sensor handle the shadows?

 

[liveevil]

I guess this is the same as shooting raw and adjusting the exposure to drag a little more detail out of the shadow area. Actually, I was hoping for a new sensor with a better dynamic range too.

 

[spidey89]

Ok, something new to me here. Extended shadow DR? You mean I can afford to expose more for highlights and let the sensor handle the shadows?

More or less a yes

 

[diCam]

Ok, something new to me here. Extended shadow DR? You mean I can afford to expose more for highlights and let the sensor handle the shadows?

That's tricky. Sometime, exposing more for highlights can blow the details away. Depending on the settings and how you shoot, cameras like E-5 and E-PL2 can handle shadows pretty well. To address my curiosity with regard to image quality on the Olympus PEN that was introduced recently, I'd taken some shots with E-P3 to see how this new camera perform. Some images were taken with Advanced SAT. Check it out on my flickr site.

 

[microcosm]

Ok, something new to me here. Extended shadow DR? You mean I can afford to expose more for highlights and let the sensor handle the shadows?

I guess this is the same as shooting raw and adjusting the exposure to drag a little more detail out of the shadow area. Actually, I was hoping for a new sensor with a better dynamic range too.

That's tricky. Sometime, exposing more for highlights can blow the details away. Depending on the settings and how you shoot, cameras like E-5 and E-PL2 can handle shadows pretty well. To address my curiosity with regard to image quality on the Olympus PEN that was introduced recently, I'd taken some shots with E-P3 to see how this new camera perform. Some images were taken with Advanced SAT. Check it out on my flickr site.

To put it in another way, when I shoot, I become really cautious of the highlights getting blown and in RAW, I can still pull out a lot more details in the shadows that otherwise might be lost. Just like in digital film making, the camera operator will usually shoot slightly under to make sure the highlights are controllable. A big flat white is only good as an expresso drink, not an image. >

 

[NazgulKing]

I think in general, when one shoots, one might want to take one or more shots at different EV settings to see what one loses and what one gains. Sometimes you might want more shadow detail, but sometimes you might want to dim your highlights at the cost of shadow detail. At some point when you are doing your photography, you might want to take these concerns into consideration.

 

[Oly5050]

That's tricky. Sometime, exposing more for highlights can blow the details away. Depending on the settings and how you shoot, cameras like E-5 and E-PL2 can handle shadows pretty well. To address my curiosity with regard to image quality on the Olympus PEN that was introduced recently, I'd taken some shots with E-P3 to see how this new camera perform. Some images were taken with Advanced SAT. Check it out on my flickr site.

When u expose for highlights means tat u are avoiding blowing the details.

 

[diCam]

When u expose for highlights means tat u are avoiding blowing the details.

Thanks. I didn't read it correctly. It is exposing for the shadow that is challenging. Wanting details in shadow mean that highlight need to be carefully taken care of.

 

[noodlehaus]

I doubt it. Most people will just buy the camera anyway, often without thinking.

Yup, people will buy the camera without thinking much about the faster AF speed, built-in flash, better image processing algos/engine, oled touch screen. They are being ripped off because all those features don't mean crap cos it's the same dxo marks and the same sensor.

Stupid people.

 

[NazgulKing]

Yup, people will buy the camera without thinking much about the faster AF speed, built-in flash, better image processing algos/engine, oled touch screen. They are being ripped off because all those features don't mean crap cos it's the same dxo marks and the same sensor.

Stupid people.

YOu are talking to someone who doesn't give jackshit about AF because I shoot with a rangefinder most of the time and would rather spend time on composition than go shooting like a machine gun.

Just how much AF do you need for a camera that most will use as a point & shoot escapes me. Touchy much?

 

[spidey89]

Yup, people will buy the camera without thinking much about the faster AF speed, built-in flash, better image processing algos/engine, oled touch screen. They are being ripped off because all those features don't mean crap cos it's the same dxo marks and the same sensor.

Stupid people.

My friend, please mind what you say

YOu are talking to someone who doesn't give jackshit about AF because I shoot with a rangefinder most of the time and would rather spend time on composition than go shooting like a machine gun.

Just how much AF do you need for a camera that most will use as a point & shoot escapes me. Touchy much?

Relax man, chill

 

[noodlehaus]

My friend, please mind what you say

Just to clear my post, the line "Stupid people" was referring to those who don't think in buying the E-P3, not Nazgul. I know he's not stupid.

But I admit to the sarcasm that I had in my post.

 

[noodlehaus]

YOu are talking to someone who doesn't give jackshit about AF because I shoot with a rangefinder most of the time and would rather spend time on composition than go shooting like a machine gun.

Just how much AF do you need for a camera that most will use as a point & shoot escapes me. Touchy much?

Your priorities are not mine, and mine are not yours.

 

[spidey89]

Just to clear my post, the line "Stupid people" was referring to those who don't think in buying the E-P3, not Nazgul. I know he's not stupid.

But I admit to the sarcasm that I had in my post.

I know you're not aiming at Nazgul since you said people rather than person, as cyberspace has no tone, it is best to refrain from saying such things even if you meant it in a sarcastic way

 

[deregisteraccount]

People are free to air their views, and yes this is a forum. But the rules of this forum strictly state no 'flaming' or posting of slanderous remarks. The same goes for 'general' remarks that insult people without giving a clear, logical or valid reason. Any further inflammatory remarks posted by anyone will be reported at once to the moderators. Period.

As for the results by DxOMark, I'm taking it with a grain of salt. I do not doubt DxOMark thoroughness or precision in conducting their tests, but end of the day people are free to make their own decisions and buy whatever they want. I'm still keen on buying an Olympus EPL3. Yes I am disappointed that DxOMark did not release a favourable test result for the Olympus-designed sensor, but overall I'm quite happy with the form factor and improvements to that model over the previous versions. So yes I am still keen on buying the EPL3 even after seeing the DxOMark results.

 

[noodlehaus]

appreciate the advice and i suggest you give the other guy the same. that person doesn't let any chance to express condescension on olympus users go by in this forum.

on dxo marks, if it were so significant in choosing cameras, it would've already been used by manufacturers as a marketing selling point since digital cameras came out. It's not just the sensor. It's about the overall package and how that package fits your priorities and style. If canon came out with a shoe fitted with a sensor that gets awesome dxo marks, i surely wont get it. i don't want to be seen going around taking photos with a shoe.

 

[grantyale]

appreciate the advice and i suggest you give the other guy the same. that person doesn't let any chance to express condescension on olympus users go by in this forum.

on dxo marks, if it were so significant in choosing cameras, it would've already been used by manufacturers as a marketing selling point since digital cameras came out. It's not just the sensor. It's about the overall package and how that package fits your priorities and style. If canon came out with a shoe fitted with a sensor that gets awesome dxo marks, i surely wont get it. i don't want to be seen going around taking photos with a shoe.

Shoe?! That would be so sneaky! LOL.