i think canon at least will improve on the AF... bcos they need to fight with d700x or whatever... i am sure d700 x will be video capable...
After shooting 1.6 for so long, it still feels weird.
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i think canon at least will improve on the AF... bcos they need to fight with d700x or whatever... i am sure d700 x will be video capable...
sensornoise
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Haha. Anthony, I do not want to take slower, high quality images. Coz I would end up with zero image. I also do not mind losing 1EV of SNR at higher ISOs using a crop body. Anw, the main topic here is field of view so I shall stop here.
I always believe IQ and AF is very important if your lenses are AF as well. I tried manual lenses cant believe the hassle.
I think it depends on the application as well sometimes you're in an event where IQ is not mission critical. You would hope for the best AF. Sometimes you just need the IQ or the bokeh provided by FF, you might think that IQ / bokeh is more important than AF. All depends on the application. no right or wrong.
The D700 seems like the camera that delivers AF to higher standard than canon at the similar price range. But if your subject is always waiting in a pose/static then no point for amazing AF.
I think it depends on the application as well sometimes you're in an event where IQ is not mission critical. You would hope for the best AF. Sometimes you just need the IQ or the bokeh provided by FF, you might think that IQ / bokeh is more important than AF. All depends on the application. no right or wrong.
The D700 seems like the camera that delivers AF to higher standard than canon at the similar price range. But if your subject is always waiting in a pose/static then no point for amazing AF.
My gut feeling is that such a camera(lower cost, full frame, fast AF alternative to the 1Ds) will not be labelled under the 5D series. It will either be called 7Ds or Canon may start a new "3D" series.
peterpan1975
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Fast AF ... hmmm it remins me of someone from CSC tell me about the 1Dmk3 AF issue.
"Why 1Dmk3 give 10FPS... its because canon want to give user the power to capture the "MOMENT" .. picture sharp or not sharp does not matter .... its the MOMENT ... "
WTF ... who every want a blur picture are jokers lah ...
"Why 1Dmk3 give 10FPS... its because canon want to give user the power to capture the "MOMENT" .. picture sharp or not sharp does not matter .... its the MOMENT ... "
WTF ... who every want a blur picture are jokers lah ...
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peterpan1975
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Agreed ... thats why different series of camera for different function.. there is a reason why 7D AF and speed is faster than 5Dmk2. and why 7D sensor is build with 1.6 crop where 5dmk2 is full frame sensor ...
denniskee
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hi ts, canon doesnt fit ur needs. u r hearing it from a horse mouth who heard it from the canon horse mouth. they give u more fps, but not very good af. time for u to go over to the other side.
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i saw a post from a bird in flight shooter in a US? site... he bought 7D, and he was disappointed with the AF tracking... and when he use d700, he could get most of the shots in focus...
so u make a guess...
my fren own one D700 with 500mm lens. all i can say that D700 really make me feel tiny... the AF accuracy is so good!!! really nice cam!
Anthony Lee
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The reason you want better AF technology is simply because you want to take better IQ( image quality) shots, no?
wow bro. ur poison is very strong!!! haha...
it's all the game that N and C and probably P and O and S plays. There was a time when the fastest AF from N was the cam1000 (aka. D80 D90 AF module). And everyone else on C and P camp were much happier with their cameras' fast 11 AF points (or more for the 1 series). \Then N came w the cam3500 (aka 51 AF points) and won the throne for a while before C beat it with higher megapixels and also video function.
I get a suspicion the top people in these companies are not really out to compete for the pro buyers' dollars but merely passing the baton in order to 'share and generate' sales amongst the japanese imaging companies.
So i guess no one should get to hung up on the current perceived 'weakness' or 'superior' specs. it is just a matter of time before another model will come along and outdo it.
Buy one each from C and N? P is also very nice in terms of buttons arrangement and AF speed. S can use T* lens woh..
The winners are the manufacturers no matter how we choose from one another.
I get a suspicion the top people in these companies are not really out to compete for the pro buyers' dollars but merely passing the baton in order to 'share and generate' sales amongst the japanese imaging companies.
So i guess no one should get to hung up on the current perceived 'weakness' or 'superior' specs. it is just a matter of time before another model will come along and outdo it.
Buy one each from C and N? P is also very nice in terms of buttons arrangement and AF speed. S can use T* lens woh..
The winners are the manufacturers no matter how we choose from one another.
You can get an used 1D MKII at the price of 7D
IMO, 1D MKII is much more capable than 7D except the weight and noise control, but you get much faster and accurate AF/WB, weather seal, 1.3x FLM, build in vertical grip and solid body
Now i am using 1Ds MKII and kinda miss the 1.3x FLM, cos my 16-35L become too wide on the 1x FLM
peterpan1975
Senior Member
Lets not cloud TS judgement lah. More or less his heart are cross over to the darkside. He need the "white knight" to pull him back to the "bright side". But really, decision still yours TS.
Just listen to ur heart. as what Snr Denniskee say, Canon really can't satisfied your need lao. just "peacefully" cross over lah ... lol
Just listen to ur heart. as what Snr Denniskee say, Canon really can't satisfied your need lao. just "peacefully" cross over lah ... lol
sensornoise
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Thx guys for the comments.
I'm not going to the dark side yet. But I will consider. I'm sure Canon system suits most people here but too bad alot of people realize that maybe the dark side suits them better. There is no good or bad, it's a matter of needs.
I wonder who shoots 7D here and make do with the 1.6 crop FOV and enjoy the AF system (1D/(s) out of budget etc) or use the 5DMII for the IQ and FOV, and shoot sports while trying to make do with lower keeper rates.
I'm not going to the dark side yet. But I will consider. I'm sure Canon system suits most people here but too bad alot of people realize that maybe the dark side suits them better. There is no good or bad, it's a matter of needs.
I wonder who shoots 7D here and make do with the 1.6 crop FOV and enjoy the AF system (1D/(s) out of budget etc) or use the 5DMII for the IQ and FOV, and shoot sports while trying to make do with lower keeper rates.
Used 1D, 1D MKII and 1Ds are not out of budget, unless you need the video mode, the old 1 series are more capable than 7D IMO.
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5929198&postcount=201
chrisli
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I have all 3 models and use them for different purposes for their capability.
I use the 5Dmk2 for portraitures because of the low noise at High ISO capability to shoot using ambient light and the high resolution for a more detailed photos.
I use the 7D for nature and wildlife when I need the additional focal length due to its 1.6x crop factor, but will not use it for low light conditions.
1Dmk4 is my primary body for shooting wildlife and nature or practically any other things, the fast AF, FPS and exceptable High ISO capability serve most of my needs.
Basically this shows that every model may it be from the Darkside or White side has its limitations and it usefulness, depending on your needs, if there is a model that has most of everything would be the 1DMK4.
Therefore buy what you need and not necessary what it is make for and make do with its capability and limitations. No point in arguing which better or ask why it is manufactured in such a manner, it is all commercial and not rational.
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