albertri
Senior Member
I print at 300dpi. This is why I have an A900.
bro just saw my photo exif it say
X-Resolution 350 dpi
Y-Resolution 350 dpi
A77: What gives?
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bro just saw my photo exif it say
X-Resolution 350 dpi
Y-Resolution 350 dpi
Ok let's go thru some pictures (non scientific way) to show the ISO performance.
All pictures only cropped/resized, no PP done, straight JPEG from camera. Lighting condition only a flourescent light above the kitchen table.
Using SAL1650 lens at F5.6, focus point in the center of frame.
This is the actual frame.
ISO800
ISO1600
All pictures only cropped/resized, no PP done, straight JPEG from camera. Lighting condition only a flourescent light above the kitchen table.
Using SAL1650 lens at F5.6, focus point in the center of frame.
This is the actual frame.
ISO800
ISO1600
I would say that if you prefer better handling, faster AF, better EVF ( with auto gain with Flash), softer shutter sound, peaking feature for MF, reduced lag with flash guns... the A77 will be a worthy upgrade from A55. And , the sweet thing is , it doesnt cost you an arm or a leg.
If you are looking purely for the best ISO sensor and best Jpeg camera, maybe you might be disappointed. I am primarily a raw shooter, so the mushy JPEG doesnt bother me. I dont do prints often, the max size I print is A4 ( to pin in my office cubicle). ISO 1600 and 3200 on A77 are pretty decent ( not the best) for my needs . When I have to shoot that high an iso, most of the time , its for company indoor events, which never goes on prints , but end up in Facebook or on computer screens.
If I want really clean ISO at 6400, I whip out my 5N. =)
Know your gear, know the lighting, size the moment, shoot the picture. Cheers.
If you are looking purely for the best ISO sensor and best Jpeg camera, maybe you might be disappointed. I am primarily a raw shooter, so the mushy JPEG doesnt bother me. I dont do prints often, the max size I print is A4 ( to pin in my office cubicle). ISO 1600 and 3200 on A77 are pretty decent ( not the best) for my needs . When I have to shoot that high an iso, most of the time , its for company indoor events, which never goes on prints , but end up in Facebook or on computer screens.
If I want really clean ISO at 6400, I whip out my 5N. =)
Know your gear, know the lighting, size the moment, shoot the picture. Cheers.
Haha....yah, my wife has been pestering me for the longest time to clean up my messy table....but then hey, if its not messy, I won't be able to find my stuff if its too clean...:bsmilie:
Salute you all ! ...you understand the concept that the BEST camera is still the one you're holding at the moment you need to freeze time !
albertri
Senior Member
Are you sure you want to show us yours??? it may be too graphic for some here
All that lipstick and mascara scattered everywhere... The scrapbook cut-outs of Taylor Swift...
Don't worry, bro; I ain't going anywhere.
There's a lot to be learned from the vast majority here who post their photos and experiences, and engage in constructive dialogue. I just don't have time for the few who can't (or don't want to) get from step A to step C without having someone spoon-feed them step B; and especially no time for those who seem to think the purpose of forum participation is to "win" the discussion.
I've had my a77 for a month now, and shoot with it almost every day. My experience with its less-desirable characteristics is pretty much the same as what other owners here have described and illustrated: sometimes-mushy jpg images, excessive noise under certain shooting conditions, etc. I've even had a few images in which AWB was so far off that it made me think it should've been labeled "LSD" instead.
But after having owned a D700 for a couple of years, I was prepared to deal with the presumed consequences of a huge difference in pixel density. Too, SLT and EVF are works in progress; not refined, time-tested components. Add to that the fact that I'm using the a77 for pleasure rather than to make a living, and I suppose it makes me more tolerant of what some people consider to be its shortcomings.
No camera or lens is perfect in every shooting situation. For me, the key to satisfaction in using any piece of gear is in finding out what its strengths are and exploiting them. I'm not the kind of person who's gonna take an 85mm 1.4 lens (any brand), shoot it in broad daylight at f/1.4 and then post on an internet forum to complain about veiling flare and soft corners. I'm not any kind of "expert," especially one whose only "experience" comes from reading reviews and spouting specifications.
There's nothing "misleading" about posting a 100% crop at ISO50 with full EXIF intact. It's commenting on the other end of the ISO spectrum, for a change, by letting a photo do the talking.
I post here for the purpose of sharing my enthusiasm with any who may be interested in reading what my experience has been so far with this camera. As I've said before: for the kind of shooting I do, the a77 is the best camera I've ever used. Someone else's experience may be different, but no one can deny mine.
Don't worry, bro; I ain't going anywhere.
There's a lot to be learned from the vast majority here who post their photos and experiences, and engage in constructive dialogue. I just don't have time for the few who can't (or don't want to) get from step A to step C without having someone spoon-feed them step B; and especially no time for those who seem to think the purpose of forum participation is to "win" the discussion.
I've had my a77 for a month now, and shoot with it almost every day. My experience with its less-desirable characteristics is pretty much the same as what other owners here have described and illustrated: sometimes-mushy jpg images, excessive noise under certain shooting conditions, etc. I've even had a few images in which AWB was so far off that it made me think it should've been labeled "LSD" instead.
But after having owned a D700 for a couple of years, I was prepared to deal with the presumed consequences of a huge difference in pixel density. Too, SLT and EVF are works in progress; not refined, time-tested components. Add to that the fact that I'm using the a77 for pleasure rather than to make a living, and I suppose it makes me more tolerant of what some people consider to be its shortcomings.
No camera or lens is perfect in every shooting situation. For me, the key to satisfaction in using any piece of gear is in finding out what its strengths are and exploiting them. I'm not the kind of person who's gonna take an 85mm 1.4 lens (any brand), shoot it in broad daylight at f/1.4 and then post on an internet forum to complain about veiling flare and soft corners. I'm not any kind of "expert," especially one whose only "experience" comes from reading reviews and spouting specifications.
There's nothing "misleading" about posting a 100% crop at ISO50 with full EXIF intact. It's commenting on the other end of the ISO spectrum, for a change, by letting a photo do the talking.
I post here for the purpose of sharing my enthusiasm with any who may be interested in reading what my experience has been so far with this camera. As I've said before: for the kind of shooting I do, the a77 is the best camera I've ever used. Someone else's experience may be different, but no one can deny mine.
There's no other way but yours to comment on the performance of this camera as well as sarcasms from others who do not own or touch the camera yet. :thumbsup:
My experience so far with the camera is only a week, so not as deep as yours in comparison.
When I had it for a day or two, I was initially quite disappointed as well. The few test shots really show lots of noise even at low iso of 400.
After meddling it with few days, I realised A77 tends to underexpose, much like D7000 like to overexpose (thats why it has lesser noise visible in JPEG). By setting the correct exposure, the picture quality dramatically improves.
And I also forgot to mention, this new SAL1650 lens is fantastically sharp! I would say it performs quite similar to Tamron 17-50, but corner sharpness of Sony is better. At F4, the sharpness is already biting into my eyeballs. At F5.6, I have to stop pixel peeping if not I will go blind soon.
When going through all the pictures I took with 60D, D7000 and even 5D2, I finally realised the reason why I am so reluctant to leave Alpha camp.....the microcontrast and sharpness make me loss for words.
Yes, the 3 cameras are definitely cleaner at higher iso from 3200 onwards, noise are well controlled and grain like, but at the same time, there is no sharpness to talk of, even with L lenses. At lower ISO, sharpness is really unique to Sony cameras. When I shot 60D with 24105L, the images are sharp, no doubt, but no matter how I try, the details are not there. When I try A77 with 1650 lens, at same scenerio, the detail levels are astonishing.
Anyway, I am not a professional reviewer which many people praise them like god and use their reviews like bible nor I am a professional photographer. As a normal person who enjoy using and trying cameras to take pictures of my family, I find A77 the best Alpha so far and the experience so far has exceeded my expectations as a whole.
If I were to choose a camera to bring out for a family outing from 60D, D7000, 5D2 and A77, I will definitely bring out A77 for it's features, handling, size/weight, picture quality and useful video/liveview.
If I want to go out for best iso performing, then obvious choice are the FF cameras.
Don't worry, bro; I ain't going anywhere.
There's a lot to be learned from the vast majority here who post their photos and experiences, and engage in constructive dialogue. I just don't have time for the few who can't (or don't want to) get from step A to step C without having someone spoon-feed them step B; and especially no time for those who seem to think the purpose of forum participation is to "win" the discussion.
I've had my a77 for a month now, and shoot with it almost every day. My experience with its less-desirable characteristics is pretty much the same as what other owners here have described and illustrated: sometimes-mushy jpg images, excessive noise under certain shooting conditions, etc. I've even had a few images in which AWB was so far off that it made me think it should've been labeled "LSD" instead.
But after having owned a D700 for a couple of years, I was prepared to deal with the presumed consequences of a huge difference in pixel density. Too, SLT and EVF are works in progress; not refined, time-tested components. Add to that the fact that I'm using the a77 for pleasure rather than to make a living, and I suppose it makes me more tolerant of what some people consider to be its shortcomings.
No camera or lens is perfect in every shooting situation. For me, the key to satisfaction in using any piece of gear is in finding out what its strengths are and exploiting them. I'm not the kind of person who's gonna take an 85mm 1.4 lens (any brand), shoot it in broad daylight at f/1.4 and then post on an internet forum to complain about veiling flare and soft corners. I'm not any kind of "expert," especially one whose only "experience" comes from reading reviews and spouting specifications.
There's nothing "misleading" about posting a 100% crop at ISO50 with full EXIF intact. It's commenting on the other end of the ISO spectrum, for a change, by letting a photo do the talking.
I post here for the purpose of sharing my enthusiasm with any who may be interested in reading what my experience has been so far with this camera. As I've said before: for the kind of shooting I do, the a77 is the best camera I've ever used. Someone else's experience may be different, but no one can deny mine.
Fully agree 100%!
I'm amazed that 99% of the A77 bashers never even used it, and are judging it purely on JPEG performance at ISO 6400 and above instead of actually using it and seeing what an all-round good performer it is.
kei1309
Senior Member
Canikon Fanboy Keyboard Warriors to be precise
eventidephoenix
Member
just to share my thought process, I'm currently a A55 user. When I can afford it, I would definitely like to get myself the a77 as I like the flexibility of its functions (I'm a sucker for HDR, shoot me ><)
I'm just an amatuer, and like Ouverture I have done extensive research on all other brands before settling on Sony as my first DSLR. It is NOT perfect mind you, but I've enjoyed my Sony ever since.
Why Sony? Innovation. Yes maybe professional photographers diss features like auto-panorama, auto-HDR, but after shooting a bit I have found such features to be very convenient and useful. Sony's innovation on the SLT front is also bold and it turned out for the better. I don't know how pros think, but as a casual user I like Sony a lot. Size and weight of the camera is a plus. I like the fact I can fiddle with settings while my eye is stuck inside the EVF. I can irritate my girlfriend with burst shots. And last of all, I can produce pictures I'm satisfied with.
All in all I think it all boils down to personal preference and what YOU need/want out of a camera. That's why I hate the fanboism. If you like Canikon and have reasons for liking it, by all means. I won't troll you, I won't question the legitimacy of your preference. Don't do it to those who have chosen Sony.
I'm just an amatuer, and like Ouverture I have done extensive research on all other brands before settling on Sony as my first DSLR. It is NOT perfect mind you, but I've enjoyed my Sony ever since.
Why Sony? Innovation. Yes maybe professional photographers diss features like auto-panorama, auto-HDR, but after shooting a bit I have found such features to be very convenient and useful. Sony's innovation on the SLT front is also bold and it turned out for the better. I don't know how pros think, but as a casual user I like Sony a lot. Size and weight of the camera is a plus. I like the fact I can fiddle with settings while my eye is stuck inside the EVF. I can irritate my girlfriend with burst shots. And last of all, I can produce pictures I'm satisfied with.
All in all I think it all boils down to personal preference and what YOU need/want out of a camera. That's why I hate the fanboism. If you like Canikon and have reasons for liking it, by all means. I won't troll you, I won't question the legitimacy of your preference. Don't do it to those who have chosen Sony.
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