A77: What gives?

[rasdeep]

Not de kinda gals I ll be bringing home to meet mommy

i thought you are married? :bsmilie: lol

 

[sje4182]

i thought you are married? :bsmilie: lol

Whatever gave u dat idea?

 

[Anson]

Not de kinda gals I ll be bringing home to meet mommy

OT: Haha... it just a contest.... anyway some of the contestant that day were mothers themselves.

 

[Pinchbeck]

To TS, if your main concern is on IQ, there is not much of an upgrade comparing to your A55. However, ergonomic, function wise, A77 is definitely worth every bit of an upgrade so you just have to weigh your priorities..

Thanks for your views . . .all good stuff and plenty to think about.

 

[Rocky78]

Would be very nice to have a A65X or A77X model (i.e with 5N sensor) !

;p

 

[sje4182]

Would be very nice to have a A65X or A77X model (i.e with 5N sensor) !

;p

This is all bro rasdeep fault - keep saying want an a77 with 5N sensor ha. But I believe Sony would rather improve watever de shortfall of de 24mp sensor such dat can match de 5N rather than "admit defeat" and put de 5N sensor in an a77 body.

 

[zeroses]

I tried the A77 the other day and I'm not "WOW" to it. I must admit I'm excited as first but then again. With all the reviews and comments. Makes wonder what was Sony thinking. You just released another consumers camera where a normal beginner can buy and play with it without know anything. I would like to buy something that's worth my money and not a camera that doesn't surpass its competitors. I think I save it for other stuff like lenses. I hope Sony knows what going on. Or not people might just jump camp to other brands.

 

[sje4182]

I tried the A77 the other day and I'm not "WOW" to it. I must admit I'm excited as first but then again. With all the reviews and comments. Makes wonder what was Sony thinking. You just released another consumers camera where a normal beginner can buy and play with it without know anything. I would like to buy something that's worth my money and not a camera that doesn't surpass its competitors. I think I save it for other stuff like lenses. I hope Sony knows what going on. Or not people might just jump camp to other brands.

Might be better if u can be more specific about what were expectations which Sony had promised (or u had expected) but which were not met. When u say it doesn't surpass competitiors, which make/model are you referring to? In which areas? Just a sweeping statement as above has little credibility or meaning. I also don't understand what you mean by "You (Sony) just released another consumer camera where a normal beginner (got abnormal beginner?) can buy and play with it without know anything (sic)". I also know of "normal beginners" who buy a 60D/7D/D300S, etc but don't know the first thing about photography. Then how? The "normal beginner" can buy whatever they like whether they know anything or not. It is not the manufacturer's fault.

 

[albertri]

I tried the A77 the other day and I'm not "WOW" to it. I must admit I'm excited as first but then again. With all the reviews and comments. Makes wonder what was Sony thinking. You just released another consumers camera where a normal beginner can buy and play with it without know anything. I would like to buy something that's worth my money and not a camera that doesn't surpass its competitors. I think I save it for other stuff like lenses. I hope Sony knows what going on. Or not people might just jump camp to other brands.

I think for me for its value for money (but this is just me) with the specs and features it has I think the price is really reasonable I got my A77 body only

 

[Ghostfit]

I tried the A77 the other day and I'm not "WOW" to it. I must admit I'm excited as first but then again. With all the reviews and comments. Makes wonder what was Sony thinking. You just released another consumers camera where a normal beginner can buy and play with it without know anything. I would like to buy something that's worth my money and not a camera that doesn't surpass its competitors. I think I save it for other stuff like lenses. I hope Sony knows what going on. Or not people might just jump camp to other brands.

Sounds like a Canikon Fanboy post ! :bsmilie: ...On the contrary, Sony certainly knows what they're doing and judging by the number of new 'experienced' users buying Sony cameras, people are jumping from other camps to the Sony bandwagon.

Don't judge the A77 based on the early releases (warts and all) when FW 2.0 comes out, you might just have to eat your own words.

 

[zixaw]

Just curious, do people really still use OOC jpegs for a camera like the A77? I mean for previews etc is fine, but to really get the most out of modern cameras with high pixel count, RAW is the only way to go.

Using RAW will eliminate alot of the so called limitations/problems of the A77.

At the end of the day it comes down to this, do you want your photos processed by some dinky little power saving processor in the camera or a real computer?

 

[albertri]

Just curious, do people really still use OOC jpegs for a camera like the A77? I mean for previews etc is fine, but to really get the most out of modern cameras with high pixel count, RAW is the only way to go.

Using RAW will eliminate alot of the so called limitations/problems of the A77.

At the end of the day it comes down to this, do you want your photos processed by some dinky little power saving processor in the camera or a real computer?

Oh man 24MP of A77 raw is freaking huge lolz using the new sony raw converter that comes with A77 it slowed my PC and max the CPU so was really thinking was it the RAW file that slowed my PC or that raw converter apps> could be the raw converter apps... but anyways so far I like what I am seeing from A77. I didn;t enounter any issue yesterday other than shutting down is a bit slow need to wait for the buzz/virbrate before doing anything roughly around 4secs. I think A77 is doing a lot of shut down process in the back ground e.g. like Windows when you shutdown it process before it fully shut down the PC lolz

 

[albertri]

Sounds like a Canikon Fanboy post ! :bsmilie: ...On the contrary, Sony certainly knows what they're doing and judging by the number of new 'experienced' users buying Sony cameras, people are jumping from other camps to the Sony bandwagon.

Don't judge the A77 based on the early releases (warts and all) when FW 2.0 comes out, you might just have to eat your own words.

anyways bro I dont really mind such folks to me I bought it coz I like what I see and I am ok with it's shortcomings anyways i dont earn money from photography and I like what Sony DSLT in bringing into DSLR world the technology and feature if just great even A33/A55 still really great cams. This is one of the reason I am staying in Sony coz of thier SLTs =) the others is the Minolta Lenses ;p just love them

 

[Rashkae]

Just curious, do people really still use OOC jpegs for a camera like the A77? I mean for previews etc is fine, but to really get the most out of modern cameras with high pixel count, RAW is the only way to go.

Using RAW will eliminate alot of the so called limitations/problems of the A77.

At the end of the day it comes down to this, do you want your photos processed by some dinky little power saving processor in the camera or a real computer?

I usually use raw+jpeg. If the JPEG is good enough, i keep that. But for real "keepers" RAW is the way to go.

 

[rasdeep]

Oh man 24MP of A77 raw is freaking huge lolz using the new sony raw converter that comes with A77 it slowed my PC and max the CPU so was really thinking was it the RAW file that slowed my PC or that raw converter apps> could be the raw converter apps... but anyways so far I like what I am seeing from A77. I didn;t enounter any issue yesterday other than shutting down is a bit slow need to wait for the buzz/virbrate before doing anything roughly around 4secs. I think A77 is doing a lot of shut down process in the back ground e.g. like Windows when you shutdown it process before it fully shut down the PC lolz

I've posted this a while back on another forum but i will copy and paste it here.. This is talking in general and does not necessary point to a particular brand:

Going towards higher MP has a series of ripple effects, it is not just about going to bigger MP with more details.. The hidden cost to consumers are
- Need bigger and faster CF/SD cards or FPS will suffer
- Need bigger buffer for the cam or it will reach bottle neck really fast and FPS will suffer
- Need faster computer for storage and editing

A 24MP cam writes about 30ish MB of RAW data into the card, so say you have a 100MB/S card (fastest CF card now) and base on theoretical calculations, you can write 3 RAW files per sec which only contributes to 3FPS after the buffer on the cam fills up. If you choose RAW + JPEG, that will be like 40-45MB of data writing, sure you can have two card slots RAW to one and JPEG to other but it gets expensive really fast as fast cards + big storage space = expensive.

FYI, SD 100MB/S 128GB card cost RP of USD1,500

 

[albertri]

Would be very nice to have a A65X or A77X model (i.e with 5N sensor) !

;p

Actually it's the processing that Sony needs to change in A77 they need to fine tune A77 Algorithm. I just hope with this massive 24MP wont max out the A77 processor when they implement a more refined algorithm. Just imagine from 16MP your processor will need to process 24MP and also with it burst mode @ 12FPS just imagine how fast and hard the CPU will need to process these data? Yesterday my dual core Desktop using the Sony RAW converter was maxing out my AMD Athlon CPU =( I was even running 64bit Win7 and with 8GB RAM and ATI graphic card =(

 

[javabeans]

Personally I just keep pondering. With a patched fw1.03, dpreview gave it 81% and a77 is holding up well. Imagine when they load the new bionz with the correct fw with tweaks. I can't imagine

 

[zixaw]

It does not cost too much to invest in a decent high capacity and high speed SD card for a SGD1400+ body which will allow you to shoot in raw without having to worry about space limitations.

I generally trust Lightroom, CaptureOne and Aperture over the native RAW converters that comes with different cameras. They are generally more optimized and run much faster as well as having better overall IQ.

 

[rasdeep]

This is all bro rasdeep fault - keep saying want an a77 with 5N sensor ha. But I believe Sony would rather improve watever de shortfall of de 24mp sensor such dat can match de 5N rather than "admit defeat" and put de 5N sensor in an a77 body.

i smell a conspiracy there!

imagine Sony really made a a77 with 5n sensor, the camera will be so perfect that it will be a hard time for Sony to produce a better cam. this can have impact on their revenue as nobody wants to upgrade anymore!! so to maximize profit, they give you something good but takes away something else so you will always crave for upgrade.. they will not give you a cake and let you eat it too! :bsmilie:

 

[albertri]

I've posted this a while back on another forum but i will copy and paste it here.. This is talking in general and does not necessary point to a particular brand:

agree with this one thats why Olympus, Nikon and even Canon almost stop the Mega Pixel race. Olympus was very vocal with it that for 4/3 the max or the optimal MP was 12 thats why even thier E5 still at 12MP... also lens is one factor I posted some dicussion also before in Oly forum about why Oly was stricking to 12MP. Sony is really pushing the envelop of technology.... we might not see any APSC sensor size to hit more than 24MP soon unless there's a huge change in the sensor and dslr processing technology. Mobiles devices need to keep the balance of power and portability, You may have the fastest and powerful Cam processor, highest MP, fast est frame rates but also it will require you to carry a motorcycle battery lolz.

But technology evolves so who knows some smart alec might invent a low power CPU but powerful and fast? and new type of material for sensor we still relying to silicon based sensors and components which has limitations also.