Nothing wrong legally meh? You go stand in front of any security guard, wait for him to look at you, then whip out your dSLR with long long lens, he'll probably have different ideas of what constitutes legal. hahaha
A Garden Wedding by any chance?
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Nothing wrong legally meh? You go stand in front of any security guard, wait for him to look at you, then whip out your dSLR with long long lens, he'll probably have different ideas of what constitutes legal. hahaha
Just out of curiousity, if you are the official photographer for the wedding and out of sudden a bunch of "cameraman" appear to take photos during the ceremony, what are you going to do? Maybe some wedding photographers can share their experience.
TS: sorry for the OT
Just out of curiousity, if you are the official photographer for the wedding and out of sudden a bunch of "cameraman" appear to take photos during the ceremony, what are you going to do? Maybe some wedding photographers can share their experience.
TS: sorry for the OT
If they're not part of the guest/family/friends/helpers, I'll just inform the bride and groom. If they are, I'll just go on doing my job.
Anyway, I agreed with DP that in a private place, even if you book the place but it's not blocked from the public's view, it's not wrong for anyone to take a picture of it.
david_goh
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Heheh....once I was doing a portrait shoot in Ann Siang hill when a young chap with a long zoom lens walked by.
He hid behind a pillar and started aiming at the bride (I was taking her photos). She pointed at him, telling me that he is stealing shots. I walked over and told him to stop it as it is a private shoot.
He gave an embaressed smile, and walked away. A while later, I found him standing 5-8m behind me. And I caught him once holding up his camera pointing at the bride again.
We can't really do anything about such people, just leave them alone. As the chinese saying go, dog can't refrain from eating sh*t. (But do dogs really eat sh*t??) :bsmilie:
He hid behind a pillar and started aiming at the bride (I was taking her photos). She pointed at him, telling me that he is stealing shots. I walked over and told him to stop it as it is a private shoot.
He gave an embaressed smile, and walked away. A while later, I found him standing 5-8m behind me. And I caught him once holding up his camera pointing at the bride again.
We can't really do anything about such people, just leave them alone. As the chinese saying go, dog can't refrain from eating sh*t. (But do dogs really eat sh*t??) :bsmilie:
JohnnyM, grow up. Are you advocating violence?
What can the security guard do? Frequently, and especially in Singapore, they do step over the line. However, if it's a public place, the photogrpaher has the right to be there, and if the wedding is in a public place, it's part of the scenery so to speak. The photographer has the right to shoot. That said, if someone asked you not to shoot, for privacy or whatever reason, then it's up to you.
chanjyj
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Add to this-even if it is a private place eg. condo, nobody can stop you from shooting, not even the police. They can only sue you. Crime will be trespassing, not shooting photos.
I'm not sure how you interpreted my comment as advocating violence, would you care to clarify? For the record, I'm very humchee one; got fight, I'll be the first to run.
I agree with you that it's up to the individual; there's really very little one can do beyond asking nicely and expecting the other party to behave civilly.
I doubt civil behavior is something you are familiar with though. 'Grow up' indeed. :bsmilie:
The security guard, upon seeing the photographer with camera in hand, would probably approach and tell him that photography is not allowed. It is then up to the photographer to decide if he wants to carry on shooting because it's a public place despite the security guard's advice, or to just leave.
Would appreciate your pointing out where the contradiction is.
The earlier mentioned that it is legally wrong, the latter says it is legal but up to photographer's discretion to shoot or not to.
Noted. I can understand why you might've gotten confused. Perhaps I should refrain from what I thought was a judicious use of the question mark to express doubt and speak to you in a way I can only hope you understand.
I hope the bolded text will help put the portion you have pointed out into context.
Finish reading the passage before you answer the questions, children!
Noted. I can understand why you might've gotten confused. Perhaps I should refrain from what I thought was a judicious use of the question mark to express doubt and speak to you in a way I can only hope you understand.
I hope the bolded text will help put the portion you have pointed out into context.
Finish reading the passage before you answer the questions, children!
Shhh...
Before anyone get the idea that they can shoot in any private place, and no one can do anything about it, please have a read below.
If it's inside a condo ( since condo was mentioned ), and you're shooting in the common areas ie: swimming pool, playground, etc, the guards who are acting on behalf of the management, have the right to stop you from shooting ( if they have been told or even if they just deem it necessary ). If you refuse to stop they can request you to leave the condo and if you still refuse, they can call the police and report you for trespassing and believe me, the police will come and remove you.
Remember, just like in any private place, you are a guest, and in this case, a guest of the owner of the condo unit who own only the unit that they bought/rent. The common areas are for all to use/enjoy subjected to the rules and regulations set out by the management of the condo.
Same here in CS, we're all guest of the owner here and need to follow the rules as this is a privately owned website.
sevenfightclub
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jumbostar - so it wasn't that you wanted more photos that you were looking for this intruder photog? You actually felt upset that he took pix without your permission and wanted to talk to him?
Honestly I would not be very happy if some stranger started waltzing into my wedding and happily snapped away. I think it's wrong because some sensitivity and sense should have been at play here. It's like if you were walking down the street and some nutcase just started stalking you and taking photos just coz he "could" and it's not "illegal".
Honestly I would not be very happy if some stranger started waltzing into my wedding and happily snapped away. I think it's wrong because some sensitivity and sense should have been at play here. It's like if you were walking down the street and some nutcase just started stalking you and taking photos just coz he "could" and it's not "illegal".
While you have a legal right to pursue your interest in photography, your legal rights do not extend to everywhere and anywhere.
Legally you can take photos so long as it don't have issues with copyright, security, not creating a nuisance of yourself or endanger/threatening live of others. And when you're in a private property which have their own rules and regulations, you're expected to follow them.
If you really believe you have the legal right to take photo anywhere, why do you have to leave the place when the security guards/police ask you to do so? If your legal right to take photo extend to anywhere, do they have a right to stop you, and do they have a legal right to ask you to leave thereby stopping you from exercising you legal right to take photo? After all they only object to you taking photo and nothing else. This can be a shopping ctr or a gov building, since you mentioned anywhere
chanjyj
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Maybe I phrased it wrongly-I'll try again.
If you are asked to leave the premises, that would be legally correct, and you would have to leave.
However, if you are asked to stop taking photos, there is no law around to stop you, and the most that can be done is to file a civil suit gainst you.
Regarding the points about leaving the premises, trespassing, public nuisance etc are also correct. In a sense, you can be stopped from taking photos through all these means. But the very act of pressing your shutter button, cannot be stopped.
N.B. If you take photos of a private estate from a public place (eg a road), the situation becomes even more complicated and as far as I can see, the only thing that can be brought against you is public nuisance charge (by the police).
chanjyj
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One more thing I forgot to add-you actually don't need to leave if security asks you to do so. The only people that have legal authority to evict you are 1. CISCO 2. SAF Personnel (If you are on SAF grounds) 3. Police.
Not here to go round picking a fight with anyone, but if you are a photographer, I think you should be clear on the laws regarding your trade. Admittedly, it is not going to help you very much if you should go round irritating people by taking pictures of them for no apparant reason, but I am just stating the clear facts here for people to know black from white. It's kind of a grey mess now. (I was in legal studies once)
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