9-18mm Limitation

[wonglp]

I think it's the water too. What time did you take this shot? It seems that they might be some boat that pass by the scene that may affect the reflection ( I see a streaking effect across from left to right). How long was your exposure btw? There wasn't any exif that can be seen, or maybe I'm not so familiar.

Btw, if you shoot RAW, you can adjust your noise filter level so you don't have to shoot several shots with different noise filter levels, and save some time to do other tests. Do note that "noise filter" in Oly viewer it's called noise reduction (assuming you use Olympus viewer)...But on the camera setting, noise reduction refers to "dark frame subtraction" to help reduce hot pixels in long exposure shot, this for me is always set to Auto, so that the camera will take 2 shots and take twice the processing time. Hot pixels can be an issue with Pen after several LE shots. Just to mention as I find the terminologies kinda confusing

 

[vainqueur]

I think it's the water too. What time did you take this shot? It seems that they might be some boat that pass by the scene that may affect the reflection ( I see a streaking effect across from left to right). How long was your exposure btw? There wasn't any exif that can be seen, or maybe I'm not so familiar.

Btw, if you shoot RAW, you can adjust your noise filter level so you don't have to shoot several shots with different noise filter levels, and save some time to do other tests. Do note that "noise filter" in Oly viewer it's called noise reduction (assuming you use Olympus viewer)...But on the camera setting, noise reduction refers to "dark frame subtraction" to help reduce hot pixels in long exposure shot, this for me is always set to Auto, so that the camera will take 2 shots and take twice the processing time. Hot pixels can be an issue with Pen after several LE shots. Just to mention as I find the terminologies kinda confusing

Haha, I find the terminology confusing too. The scene is only 6 seconds and ya, there were some event that day at the F1 pit.

I don't use Olympus Viewer, preferred LR, haha.

I noticed something when I was doing RAW+JPEG, the quality seems to be affected compared to when I did only JPEG shots. Could be the hot pixels like what you said twice the shot hence twice the processing time. Therefore, I am not sure about doing RAW+JPEG anymore, might just sticked back to JPEG only. Actually, I was doing very fine with just on JPEG, only trying RAW+JPEG for fun last weekend, haha.

 

[wonglp]

Haha, I find the terminology confusing too. The scene is only 6 seconds and ya, there were some event that day at the F1 pit.

I don't use Olympus Viewer, preferred LR, haha.

I noticed something when I was doing RAW+JPEG, the quality seems to be affected compared to when I did only JPEG shots. Could be the hot pixels like what you said twice the shot hence twice the processing time. Therefore, I am not sure about doing RAW+JPEG anymore, might just sticked back to JPEG only. Actually, I was doing very fine with just on JPEG, only trying RAW+JPEG for fun last weekend, haha.

Make sure your IS is off as well as mentioned by spidey. Didn't see hot pixels on your shot unless it's other shot as you mentioned, hot pixels are colored spots that appear on your pictures when the sensor gets warmed up. Shoot RAW will pull back a lot more details, try tune your levels and curves you can see quite a bit of difference Was your RAW+JPG settings (aperture, IS) same as JPG? Sounds strange that quality is different. How about gradation setting, this should be set normal rather than auto, auto may cause more noise in shadows.

 

[vainqueur]

Make sure your IS is off as well as mentioned by spidey. Didn't see hot pixels on your shot unless it's other shot as you mentioned, hot pixels are colored spots that appear on your pictures when the sensor gets warmed up. Shoot RAW will pull back a lot more details, try tune your levels and curves you can see quite a bit of difference Was your RAW+JPG settings (aperture, IS) same as JPG? Sounds strange that quality is different. How about gradation setting, this should be set normal rather than auto, auto may cause more noise in shadows.

I am not sure bro, I really hope it's the setting or my aperture setting because what they said in review don't seem to be true and I am referring to aperture quality peaking at 5.6 and anything more than 11 is crap.

I haven't touched the gradation setting, has been in auto since. I will do as you recommend, set to normal. Then with IS off, I will try raw+jpeg again.

 

[spidey89]

I want to see if I could use the "distorted" reflection in any creative way. But you are right, first thing first, I am not so sure about the noise reduction because I will be doing long exposure but Noise filter will have to be off. IS too since I will be using tripod.

Trust me, you'll want to use the noise reduction which doubles the exposure time to remove the noise, I forgot to turn it off, use noise reduction couldn't entire remove it

 

[vainqueur]

Trust me, you'll want to use the noise reduction which doubles the exposure time to remove the noise, I forgot to turn it off, use noise reduction couldn't entire remove it

Okay, you are confusing me, haha, you said I will want to use noise reduction to remove the noise, that means you recommend Noise Reduction set to Auto right? Which will kick in for long exposure. Then you said using noise reduction couldn't entirely remove the noise.

How about the Noise Filter? I was thinking of turning Noise Filter off.

 

[elgkh]

There are 2 types Noise settings - I can never remember which is which :

1. Noise Reduction (On/Off) - this removes noise caused by long exposures. The camera will take another exposure after your shot, and subtract one from the other.
2. Noise Filter (Low/Med/High/Off) - this reduces noise in normal exposures, but reduces detail as well.

 

[vainqueur]

There are 2 types Noise settings - I can never remember which is which :

1. Noise Reduction (On/Off) - this removes noise caused by long exposures. The camera will take another exposure after your shot, and subtract one from the other.
2. Noise Filter (Low/Med/High/Off) - this reduces noise in normal exposures, but reduces detail as well.

Thanks, I got problem remembering it too until now, haha...

I have been using Auto for Noise Reduction and Noise Filter to low, now I was thinking of switching off the Noise Filter to retain the details, I figured I would prefer to do noise reduction myself in LR or DeNoise rather than let Olympus reduce the noise and reduce the detail for me. I am referring to most night shots actually, I don't think there will be problem with noise for day shots even if I switch off Noise Filter...

Whats your setting btw?

 

[spidey89]

I find it confusing as well, how I remember is look at the settings, the off, on and auto is for long exposures, the low, med, high and off is for high ISOs. I usually shoot on for long exposures and off for the high ISO one. Then change back as I shoot, the long exposure noise, I can't remove noise in software, so I just let the camera do it for me

 

[vainqueur]

I find it confusing as well, how I remember is look at the settings, the off, on and auto is for long exposures, the low, med, high and off is for high ISOs. I usually shoot on for long exposures and off for the high ISO one. Then change back as I shoot, the long exposure noise, I can't remove noise in software, so I just let the camera do it for me

Its funny because I never like to read manual, but I went digging my manual yesterday over this noise thingy. I am doing okay with the long exposure at auto. And now I know the noise filter is for high ISO which I dont use 99% of the time, so I think I will off that.

How serious is your noise from long exposure? Even with ISO100 also got serious noise? I normally use LR to remove noise, but usually do light removal because I never had serious noise issue with ISO100 and long exposure...

Now I really see the big difference in setting for scene like night shoot...

 

[wonglp]

Bro, elgkh is correct, which was what i tried explain but i think still confusing haha For me, noise reduction (hot pixels removal ) set to auto. Noise filter (noise grains) I set off. Gradation normal. IS Off. If u shoot raw and use LR. If use oly viewer, noise filter and gradation setting can be changed, hot pixels and IS cannot. Hope this is clearer now I always shoot long exposure with ISO 100, I find it's better in controlling noise and hot pixels. Epl2 and ep3 onwards has no ISO 100...

 

[elgkh]

Noise Reduction - Off (I am not patient enough to wait for the 2nd exposure)
Noise Filter - Normal
Gradation - Normal

As I am using Oly Viewer, I can change the Noise filter and Gradation settings while processing. For shots with lots of noise, I will set Noise filter to OFF, and then export to JPG for further processing.

I use ISO100 for long exposures.

 

[vainqueur]

Noise Reduction - Off (I am not patient enough to wait for the 2nd exposure)
Noise Filter - Normal
Gradation - Normal

As I am using Oly Viewer, I can change the Noise filter and Gradation settings while processing. For shots with lots of noise, I will set Noise filter to OFF, and then export to JPG for further processing.

I use ISO100 for long exposures.

I just realized 1 thing, you know after the long exposure, after the exposing was done and it is processing to card, that is the 2nd exposure isn't it?

I think I will stick back to JPEG, somehow, I don't feel comfortable with RAW, so I think I will stick with NR set to Auto (I don't mind waiting) but this time, I will off NF since I am using ISO100 and I want to retain the detail.

 

[spidey89]

Its funny because I never like to read manual, but I went digging my manual yesterday over this noise thingy. I am doing okay with the long exposure at auto. And now I know the noise filter is for high ISO which I dont use 99% of the time, so I think I will off that.

How serious is your noise from long exposure? Even with ISO100 also got serious noise? I normally use LR to remove noise, but usually do light removal because I never had serious noise issue with ISO100 and long exposure...

Now I really see the big difference in setting for scene like night shoot...

I never like reading either hahahah

Even iso 100,its long exposure noise,somehow noise reduction can't seem to remove it

 

[vainqueur]

I never like reading either hahahah

Even iso 100,its long exposure noise,somehow noise reduction can't seem to remove it

High Five!!! Haha...

If ISO 100, long exposure, NR auto, NF low vs ISO 100, long exposure, NR auto, NF off. How much difference in noise between the 2 setting?

 

[wonglp]

I just realized 1 thing, you know after the long exposure, after the exposing was done and it is processing to card, that is the 2nd exposure isn't it?

Yes

I never like reading either hahahah

Even iso 100,its long exposure noise,somehow noise reduction can't seem to remove it

Can remove NR, but only in single shot mode not multiple shot mode. I also dun read manual until i bump into this setting haha

 

[vainqueur]

Yes



Can remove NR, but only in single shot mode not multiple shot mode. I also dun read manual until i bump into this setting haha

oh oh oh... You reminded of of something I just remember. I was at the Woodlands waterfront quite some time back shooting some nightscape. That time, I didn't realize I was in Multiple shot mode which was without NR, went back home and realized the noise was quite visible and NF was set to Low.

I don't even read the manual to learn that I can custom change some of the button to other functions but somehow, this Noise thingy made me read the manual, haha and it seems quite a few of us having the same pattern, haha...

 

[spidey89]

Yes



Can remove NR, but only in single shot mode not multiple shot mode. I also dun read manual until i bump into this setting haha

I don't get what you mean by remove NR, isn't NR Noise Reduction? HAhahaha, what single what multiple? I also never talked about that, I am now officially lost

 

[wonglp]

I don't get what you mean by remove NR, isn't NR Noise Reduction? HAhahaha, what single what multiple? I also never talked about that, I am now officially lost

NR = noise reduction/dark frame subtraction in camera setting. I read ur post I thought u mean Noise reduction as u mention above but after read again it's noise filter (remove grain)...
In order change NR setting in camera have to set single shot rather sequence/multiple/burst shoot mode. Hope that clears up. Haha, confusing terms thanks to oly

 

[vainqueur]

Oh man... Olympus should have gave better names to these 2, haha...