7D to 6D - yeah or nay?

[White Wolf]

Second that... Hours spent in front of PC....

In any case u can check some online for pic taken by these lenses..
Very often..good picture is not just about the taking but also the processing (pp)
Master the 2 skill above. Put them together, 1 can get great picture regardless of camera model or lenses.[/QUOTE]

 

[Turbonetics]

Hey friends!
Have had a trusty 7D for 3 years now... am wondering if I should move onto a FF 6D?
I'd have to give up 3 of my APSC lenses though, and spend some more to collect a few new lenses.
Reasons are:
- I find myself taking most photos in the 17-50 APSC range (ie 24-70) range, so there's no real need for the crop sensor's additional reach (I only seriously only needed and used it for 2 football matches in the UK!)
- images on the 7D have tended to be 'soft' - well I have sort of lived with that by PP in Photoshop sharpening/high passing, was thinking the 6D might need less of that, or perhaps, achieve even greater clarity with PP?
- I really don't quite need to harness 8 fps - think 4.5 fps is more than enough

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, especially from any friends with prior experience upgrading from 7D to 6D!

And I know some would say just go for the 5D Mk III... but is that absolutely necessary?:bigeyes:

May I know what do u usually shoot?
Image soft or sharp depend mainly on the lens.
I don't see any reasons stated from u to change to FF, probably u just want to have a FF camera?
Personally I don't find changing 7D to 6D is an upgrade(monetary value aside) because both are different camera on its own.

 

[titus1984]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX_I9KPPdWY

Check this video out and you know what is the true difference between FF nd APSC. I didnt move to FF after watching it because i realised the difference is not that big.

 

[KY1977]

Rent a 6D and compare? Best way to get your answer.

 

[vicdhika]

I think u are those Mr. Super sharpness.. As long as u take canon, it will be like that! It's canon characteristic. I moved to canon because i want the softness in portrait. Hahaha.. If u consider 6D, i will say, it's better to go 5Dm3.. As it's focusing is better.. 6D, it may not satisfy ur AF as 7D af much faster in sport, moving.. But it still depends on skill.. Hahhah

 

[edutilos-]

Unfortunately it is true.

Where AI Servo is concerned, 3rd party lenses dont fare up as well as their canon counterparts.

It depends on the lens. General statements are often never true.

 

[raydio]

Last year I upgraded from the 7D to the 5D3. I cannot comment on the 6D because I've never used it.

I found the upgrade from the 7D to be seamless because both cameras are similar in many respects. However the differences between the two is what makes the 5D3 shine... particularly low-light and industry leading Auto Focus. If this is what you're looking for then I would highly recommend an upgrade. If not, the 7D is a capable performer.

After 3 years on the market, the 7D is still very competitive. When I owned the 7D, I used it with the King of Crops... the 17-55 f/2.8 IS lens. Together they produced some very sharp photos. There are two ways to sharpen your photos... i) in camera sharpening; ii) post processing (which many have already alluded to in this thread).

I also had CSC calibrate two of my lenses... the 17-55 lens and the 100-400 lens. The lens didn't really need a calibration since it already produced reasonably sharp photos but the small adjustment was enough to make the photos very sharp. Here are some samples that came out of my 7D with either the 17-55 lens or the 100-400 lens:

Canon 7D + 17-55 f/2.8 IS (bokeh looks decent):

Canon 7D + 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 IS:

Canon 7D + 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 IS:

 

[ricohflex]

5D Mk2 is cheaper option.

Just saw a friend's photos taken with a 5D Mk2 and a Contax N Carl Zeiss 24mm to 85mm lens converted by Conorus. Very sharp.

 

[ManWearPants]

Canon 7D + 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 IS:

Wow. I wonder why NASA continue to spend money to send people to the moon. Use a 7D and the new 200-400L.

 

[toxicboy]

Yes indeed the DOF is better with a FF!
Thanks for all the food for thought!

Here's what FF offers above APS-C

1. Better Depth-of-Field control. Do you want more parts of your picture to be out of focus, e.g. for portraiture? If so, then FF will help.

2. Better high ISO performance. Do you want cleaner pictures taken in low light conditions? If so, then FF will help.

3. Bigger viewfinder. Do you find the VF on your camera unsatisfactory? FF has nicer viewfinder.

Other than that, at low ISOs and all that jazz, 7D is as good as 6D or 5D Mark III period. And there are also excellent APS-C lenses (e.g. Canon 10-22mm), you don't have to get FF lenses (which are immensely expensive) to get the best out of a 7D really. Especially since FF lenses are designed for FF, with the focal lengths being more suited for FF (without crop).

Of course there are other reasons to get FF.. Just a bit more frivolous.

4. Wa, camela so big look so pro.

5. Wa, feel so heavy must be pro.

6. Wa, single digit must be pro.

7. Can unmount lenses and show the whole world how big my sensor is...

8. A misguided sense that "FF images look more 3D" (that's actually related to #1)

And loads more..!

 

[toxicboy]

Yes I got these lenses because they had good reviews... the Sigma is 'less sharp' than the Tamron non-VC (my first 17-50 lens) but I felt the optical stabilization really helped especially in lower light conditions for me to at least nail the pictures.

Will continue to work on my skills, camera wise and PP too.

Nope. Your last line is not true.
Some 3rd party lenses are very good too if not better than OEM.
for eg. your Tokina and Tamron are pretty good not sure about the rest.

In any case u can check some online for pic taken by these lenses..
Very often..good picture is not just about the taking but also the processing (pp)
Master the 2 skill above. Put them together, 1 can get great picture regardless of camera model or lenses.

 

[toxicboy]

You are a psychic, my friend! Yes very often I forget to turn off the VC/OS on a tripod... but then again, I very seldom use a tripod, more often handheld, which is why I keep the VC/OS on pretty much all the time. And I still get 'soft' images... ah well!

I'm at least sure that the first 3 lens is sharp (if not, VERY sharp) when stopped down. You may want to try the following steps to get a 'sharp sharp' picture..

1) mount camera to tripod
2) set aperture to f8~f11
3) disable VC/OS/IS
4) set to manual focus
5) focus in live view + 100% magnification to ensure that focus is dead on.
6) enable mirror lockup
7) use remote control to fire 'up' the mirror.
8) Wait for at least 4 sec before you fire off for exposure..


*In the back of my mind, I have a feeling that you did not off the VC/OS if you mount the camera on tripod while shooting...*

 

[toxicboy]

And you, my friend, have BOTH the 6D and 7D!
So you feel both are essentially different cameras...
I usually shoot streetscapes + portraits and details, the only moving subject is my 3 year old son, but he is slowly able to take instructions to pose for shots so not moving as much as before (yes it was a nightmare using AI Servo and firing like a machinegun just praying for 1 of those to hit)!

May I know what do u usually shoot?
Image soft or sharp depend mainly on the lens.
I don't see any reasons stated from u to change to FF, probably u just want to have a FF camera?
Personally I don't find changing 7D to 6D is an upgrade(monetary value aside) because both are different camera on its own.

 

[toxicboy]

Your shots are awesome!!!
Especially the shot of the moon?!
It proves that I am the missing link then... sigh.

Last year I upgraded from the 7D to the 5D3. I cannot comment on the 6D because I've never used it.

I found the upgrade from the 7D to be seamless because both cameras are similar in many respects. However the differences between the two is what makes the 5D3 shine... particularly low-light and industry leading Auto Focus. If this is what you're looking for then I would highly recommend an upgrade. If not, the 7D is a capable performer.

After 3 years on the market, the 7D is still very competitive. When I owned the 7D, I used it with the King of Crops... the 17-55 f/2.8 IS lens. Together they produced some very sharp photos. There are two ways to sharpen your photos... i) in camera sharpening; ii) post processing (which many have already alluded to in this thread).

I also had CSC calibrate two of my lenses... the 17-55 lens and the 100-400 lens. The lens didn't really need a calibration since it already produced reasonably sharp photos but the small adjustment was enough to make the photos very sharp. Here are some samples that came out of my 7D with either the 17-55 lens or the 100-400 lens:

 

[Zeisser]

Or perhaps using Canon lenses on a Canon body really does give the best results compared to 3rd party lenses? Haha!

I beg to differ on the above. Have been using Zeiss lens a 3rd party lens on Canon 5D & now 5DMKIII through out and is more than
happy with the results that the combo have had given me. Anyway it's all about choices.

ISO6400 1/60sec f4.5 N24-85mm

 

[Turbonetics]

And you, my friend, have BOTH the 6D and 7D!
So you feel both are essentially different cameras...
I usually shoot streetscapes + portraits and details, the only moving subject is my 3 year old son, but he is slowly able to take instructions to pose for shots so not moving as much as before (yes it was a nightmare using AI Servo and firing like a machinegun just praying for 1 of those to hit)!

Both of these cameras are for my different needs.
Anyway, base on your shooting style, FF is actually a better option for long term usage. But this does not mean the 7D can't do a good job in these aspects, so don't expect very big improvements for your images on the 6D. Afterall it is still how the controller's handle the machine

 

[Jedi R]

It depends what you need. Sports, go for 5DMIII. I just upgraded from 7D to 6D. Like the light weight.... Loving it....

 

[Shizuma]

7D is nearly indestructible and has great AF. push your camera to its limits ...with all respect i think the limiting factor might be the user and not the equipment

 

[toxicboy]

Nice shot - Zeiss is known for its good glass... (helps that the girls are pretty too lol)

I beg to differ on the above. Have been using Zeiss lens a 3rd party lens on Canon 5D & now 5DMKIII through out and is more than
happy with the results that the combo have had given me. Anyway it's all about choices.

 

[toxicboy]

Nice...!
But I reckon sports only take up only 3% of my shots... stick with 7D for now then

It depends what you need. Sports, go for 5DMIII. I just upgraded from 7D to 6D. Like the light weight.... Loving it....