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enlighten me more with, what is the relationship with IS ?
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70-200mm f4 usm L or 70-200mm f4 IS usm L?
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If there is something that I don't know, thus I have to learn it from you, sifu :bigeyes:
enlighten me more with, what is the relationship with IS ?
please continue the lessons for us to learn, sifu
chewraisins
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Hi TS,
I think IS would be necessary if one does not have steady hands or might need to improve holding, breathing technique.
I've tried a 300mm lens without IS before, and VF view is kinda shaky.. definitely IS would be useful in such situation. 70-200mm on crop becomes 112-320mm so IS could be useful. It definitely is for me.
I suggest bringing your cam to shop and test both lens at 200mm. Perhaps that'll give u a better idea.
I think IS would be necessary if one does not have steady hands or might need to improve holding, breathing technique.
I've tried a 300mm lens without IS before, and VF view is kinda shaky.. definitely IS would be useful in such situation. 70-200mm on crop becomes 112-320mm so IS could be useful. It definitely is for me.
I suggest bringing your cam to shop and test both lens at 200mm. Perhaps that'll give u a better idea.
Any person who understands photography would know IS cant freeze motion.
Well, i have to admit that i cannot handhold 200mm @ 1/20 sec. Setting up a tripod is not an option either cuz by the time its done, the bird's gone. Flash? Not something I use with animals cuz I believe they will not like it. I always get pissed whenever i see others flashing a poor little creatures indiscriminately.
Acceptance of noise level is up to each individual; and my tolerance level is 800/1600 max.
So I believe having IS when you need it is something beneficial. Gives you the ability to shoot handheld at a lower speed without compromising on noise level. Maybe you can suggest what other methods I can use to get a good shot at 200mm, 1/20 sec without IS. We are all here to learn right?
clloydjoy23
New Member
thanks.
Shen siung
Senior Member
if you can afford the IS, buy it. you wont regret it, take my word for it.
Yes agree on this, since the f4 is much cheaper than the f4 IS
hmm, not everyone has the luxury to bump up ISO to 25600 as in 1D mkIV / 5DII :sweat:
Headshotzx
Senior Member
IS is useful especially for framing on the tele end. It's also useful when the lights dim.
Someone said that you can't freeze motion with IS, and that is true. However, if you're dragging the shutter and trying to pan, I'd pick IS over a 2.8 any day.
It's always a compromise between cost and satisfaction. With the non IS version, you can afford to buy another stellar lens like the 85mm f/1.8 that helps in low light more than the IS version can.
Someone said that you can't freeze motion with IS, and that is true. However, if you're dragging the shutter and trying to pan, I'd pick IS over a 2.8 any day.
It's always a compromise between cost and satisfaction. With the non IS version, you can afford to buy another stellar lens like the 85mm f/1.8 that helps in low light more than the IS version can.
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Soundaholic
New Member
Urgh I think we have some misunderstanding here. When he said framing on the tele end, I believe he meant when using long focal length, IS will be useful for stabilizing what you see in the viewfinder to make framing easier
Back on the topic, I think it's worth it for me to get the IS version over the non-IS one, but it also depends on your usual shooting condition, like whether it's indoor or outdoor and the amount of available light, etc. Best to rent the IS version to see how you do with IS turned on/off
Back on the topic, I think it's worth it for me to get the IS version over the non-IS one, but it also depends on your usual shooting condition, like whether it's indoor or outdoor and the amount of available light, etc. Best to rent the IS version to see how you do with IS turned on/off
Yeah,
I realized that this morning,
I was going to write about this but you guys already here and write that for me :bsmilie:
I understand what he said about framing on tele end,
but that's never be a problem for me,
because, 200mm isn't tele enough, it's a normal range,
the weight, the reach it's still normal and I could handle it steadily without having
any problem with framing on tele end, that's why I did not find it as a problems
Besides,
using 70-200 f/4 as it is lighweight, without IS,
you'll never encounter that framing on tele end problems
ps :
28-300mm and 100-400mm it is really a problem with framing, why ?
because you can't hand holding the lens well with it's push and pull mechanism,
I found it easier using these lens on tripod ;p
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Anson
Senior Member
True, Canon's IS help in framing (esp in tele-range). To me I would choose the 70-200mm F2.8 IS (Mark 1 or II) or nothing.
The reason I can stop down or turn off IS if I don't need it, but I can't do the same for other offering..
Here to share my humble shot.
200mm @ 1/20sec, f4, ISO 800
I dont think i can do this without IS. I am using a 500D, which will begin to have unacceptable noise (at least to me) at ISO 1600 and above. And no, my camera cant do ISO 25,600
wow 200mm @ 1/20s?! u have really steady hands
ahbian
Senior Member
hi to everyone,
im very interested with these two lens.
can you help me decide which one to take?
does the IS make a REALLY big difference?
not on a very tight budget but at least trying to be practical with money :bsmilie:
help me decide guys. thanks a lot in advance.
cheers everyone!
There will be people who can hand hold for long at 200mm, and say IS is not necessary.
There will be people who can't hand hold for long at 200mm, and say IS is necessary.
Go and rent and compare and make your own conclusion based on your expectations.
blackreplica
Member
Its not steady hands, its IS. There is no way human hands can get a shot as sharp as that at 200mm with shutter at 1/20 at any semi-decent hit rate (i'm not talking about taking something like 50 shots and getting one or two keepers from the lot). Despite the naysayers...this is a classic example of where IS shines and is well worth the money spent. As long as your subject is not moving....you are guaranteed a hit rate with your shots that non-IS users can never match at your focal length, aperture, shutter speed and ISO. Will you always need it? No. Will you always use it? No again. But when you use it, you'll be damn glad you had it.
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scubagolfer
New Member
IS is definitely a plus point ..... if money not an issue everybody will get the IS version .... regardless if they say otherwise ... deep inside they know ...
Even if somebody has steady hands, it will definitely take them longer to get ready ... sometimes, every second count, else bird fly away liao :bsmilie:
Even if somebody has steady hands, it will definitely take them longer to get ready ... sometimes, every second count, else bird fly away liao :bsmilie:
Who said I'll be using speed 1/20 ?
I never gambling using that speed on tele, for sure :bsmilie:
(unless for panning, but that's a different case)
Wanna bet ? ;p
I don't think IS will always faster than non IS to get ready
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C60ehMe3wQ8[/youtube]
We're talking 70-200mm range, not taking a bird with tele longer than 200mm,
are you still within this range ? ;p
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Anson
Senior Member
Speaking of Video, abit curious does the IS works when you are recording video? :dunno:
scubagolfer
New Member
Note : not talking about comparing different people .... it is for that same person .... with IS you can shoot earlier than without IS, you mean no? regardless of what distance, its only to some, they dont think it is worth paying more for that slight advantage, but to others, any advantage as long as pocket allow why not .....
I think, I've read it somewhere in the manual, :think:
it says turning off IS when taking video or have I read it somewhere, I forgot :think:
What I remembered is turn off IS when mounting on tripod...
Anyway IS not the answer for whole problems, but it helps. Better has it than not...
blackreplica
Member
Then you obviously see my point. For your non-IS lens...its a gamble. 1/20 at 200mm with IS...no problem at all as long as the subject is not moving. Doesnt get any more straightforward than that. If you dont see the usefulness in that, well....put nicely, there are multitudes who will definitely not share your view. Cheers
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