6D or 7D mkII
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This is because Nikon/Sony sensors are "ISOless". They exhibit (almost) linear decrease in dynamic range as you increase ISO. Dynamic range goes down 1 stop when ISO increase 1 stop. This consists of almost no improvement in shadow detail, but almost 1 stop reduction in highlight detail. In other words, with a Sony/Nikon sensor, shooting at base ISO will get you the shadow detail you would have gotten by using maximum ISO (with same aperture and shutter speed), with the extra highlight detail that you lost when increasing ISO.
In Canon sensors, increasing ISO by 1 stop will not clip 1 stop of highlight detail. It will clip less than 1 stop of highlight detail, and you will gain less than 1 stop of shadow detail. Dynamic range decreases with ISO, but not linearly.
This means that you can always shoot at base ISO on your Sony/Nikon and get max dynamic range, and gain nothing by raising ISO, except a nicer looking JPG preview. Your shot might be underexposed, but as long as you didn't clip the shadows, you're fine (equivalent to shooting properly exposed at higher ISO, except you lose highlight detail that way).
In practice, however, few people do this, because if you're supposed to shoot at ISO 25600 but you used ISO 100, your JPG preview will be pretty much just black.
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Turbonetics
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Iam very noob and don't understand what u mean. Do u have photos to show for comparison? Are Sony and Nikon using the exactly same sensor? Some of my friends told me Sony reserved the best sensor for Nikon and some said they reserved the best for themself,whichever it sounds like the sensors are not exactly same?
I don't have any photos to show for comparison, but this link does provide a set of sample images, though not at extreme conditions
Anyway, Sony sensors are used in many Nikon and Pentax DSLRs. All of them are "ISOless". Some people also claim Fuji sensors are made by Sony, because they are also ISOless.
This link and this link have some explanation on the concept of an ISOless sensor
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exactly what im planning 1st 24-105 f4L for about 2 to 3 months then 16-35 f208L then 50mm F1.4 or 85mm f1.8 lastly 70-200f2.8L by end of 2015 should have all these lens
Wah bro...u sound like someone wif deep pockets. All Photographers envy people like u
I came from a 600d to 6d. No point getting another crop for yourself unless u do sports. U will appreciate the ff-ness the 6d gives u. The bokeh at f2.8 on 600d is like the f4 on 6d coz of the bigger sensor. Low light is definitely much better too, even wif the 24-105 f4 but know the limits of your f4.
Turbonetics
Senior Member
Thanks for sharing...this is something interesting.
too bad i don't have Sony sensor to really test it out.
SNAPDINER
New Member
I don't take DXOMark seriously bcos i believe their testing use Nikon cameras/lens as a point of reference on what will qualify for high scores. That is if the camera exhibits Nikonish behaviour, likely it will have a high score.
Perseonally if a choice between 6d (which I hv tried n makes me more appreciative far of my 5dmk3) n 7Dmk2, I would take the 7dmk2 which I believe will be an overall a more superior camera in terms of general use.
Perseonally if a choice between 6d (which I hv tried n makes me more appreciative far of my 5dmk3) n 7Dmk2, I would take the 7dmk2 which I believe will be an overall a more superior camera in terms of general use.
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Turbonetics
Senior Member
I do agree on that.
I don't take reviews too seriously but rather as an information added to my knowledge until I have tested myself and see the difference then I will say iam convinced.
rhino123
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Keep on track and forget about the nonsense about ISOless. There is no such thing.
This thread is about TS asking which camera to get. I admit I got a carried away arguing on sensor issues and I apologise about it. But lets get back on track, we are not here to confuse TS more with all these nonsenses.
Bottomline, Sony, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Fuji, Olympus and every other brands all made good cameras, sensor as many claim to be the most important thing in a camera is not the only thing in a camera, there are other components that made a good camera and also other components that would enable someone to decide on which camera to get.
I do not want to see any more of this nonsense before this perfectly innocent thread turns into a brand war.
This thread is about TS asking which camera to get. I admit I got a carried away arguing on sensor issues and I apologise about it. But lets get back on track, we are not here to confuse TS more with all these nonsenses.
Bottomline, Sony, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Fuji, Olympus and every other brands all made good cameras, sensor as many claim to be the most important thing in a camera is not the only thing in a camera, there are other components that made a good camera and also other components that would enable someone to decide on which camera to get.
I do not want to see any more of this nonsense before this perfectly innocent thread turns into a brand war.
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So? your conclusion on Nikon crop beat canon FF on high ISO noise performance is false. Your conclusion on dynamic range is only partially correct. Please apologize your spread on misinformation at your previous post.
lchoong78
Senior Member
Totally agreed with you. Let's back to the track. For TS advise, I will got for 6d mainly due to the weight issue. I hv 5dmk3 and 6d. But I prefer to use 6d for most of the time especially tv alleging due to the weight unless for the assignment I will only use more heavy camera body.
rhino123
Senior Member
The next comment on sensor thingy on this thread unless it is absolutely needed, I will start deleting. It is already confusing as it is, no point adding oil to fire.
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, you might not agree with one another, but there is no point haggling over such nonsensical issues and focus on helping TS. Also if TS already has his answer, he can choose to close this thread.
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, you might not agree with one another, but there is no point haggling over such nonsensical issues and focus on helping TS. Also if TS already has his answer, he can choose to close this thread.
Wah bro...u sound like someone wif deep pockets. All Photographers envy people like u
not exactly deep pockets la... still have to save as well
being single allows me to do that
Yap... reviews only for reference and sometimes for leisure.... aka Ken Rock very well.... kekeke. ... I trust the knowledge and hands on by the Mod and good bro here more.... rather than some overseas "expert" and "pro"... who get paid to say things even they also don't believe. ... kekeke
huatman
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Go for 6D as full frame is ur main objective to switch.
Go feel it and play with it if possible (when 7Dmk2 is out). Sometime it the feel of it that make different. Technology keep changing so hard to keep up. (Unless maybe u have lot of cash)
At 1st wanted to get the 6D, but after I hold the grip and play ard with 6D, I feel that i still prefer the grip and button layout of my old 7D.
Other factor is EF-S lenses tend to have cheaper option. And now with STM lenses, affordable and value for money (to me).
Had wanted to jump ship to nikon, Pentax or even Sony. But feel canon seem to have more 3rd party option, eg I have cheaper Yongnuo flash as my spare and using cheaper Yongnuo trigger, or 3rd party lens/flash for canon tend to launch 1st.
Also I also so use to the Canon interface already and prefer it when compare to other brand.
Go feel it and play with it if possible (when 7Dmk2 is out). Sometime it the feel of it that make different. Technology keep changing so hard to keep up. (Unless maybe u have lot of cash)
At 1st wanted to get the 6D, but after I hold the grip and play ard with 6D, I feel that i still prefer the grip and button layout of my old 7D.
Other factor is EF-S lenses tend to have cheaper option. And now with STM lenses, affordable and value for money (to me).
Had wanted to jump ship to nikon, Pentax or even Sony. But feel canon seem to have more 3rd party option, eg I have cheaper Yongnuo flash as my spare and using cheaper Yongnuo trigger, or 3rd party lens/flash for canon tend to launch 1st.
Also I also so use to the Canon interface already and prefer it when compare to other brand.
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