5D mk 2 versus mk 3

[TWmilkteaTW]

If its very good enough..whats there to upgrade and improve already?
So..they upgrade and make else where better. In this case like many have mentioned. The AF system and high ISO performance.

 

[MechaEd]

If its very good enough..whats there to upgrade and improve already?

Not having owned a 5DII previously, is its IQ really that deficient?

 

[zixaw]

I think the main point of contention is that while the 5D3 has been a huge improvement in almost all areas, to some, the sensor has remained largely the same.

To some who use center point focus and rarely shoot past ISO 800, the images will not be very different from the 5D2. That is not necessarily a bad thing since the sensor in the 5D2 is already very good.

In my opinion, the 5D3 is an evolutionary upgrade. If buying new I will not consider a 5D2 and go straight for the 5D3. If I already own the 5D2 and it meets all my needs I can wait.

 

[fotoworx]

If its very good enough..whats there to upgrade and improve already?
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The 5D2 didn't match the sensor of Nikons D700, you honestly don't think in 4 years Canon could have given us an improved sensor in the 5D3 ?

Come on, whatever you think. Canon SHOULD have given us an IQ bump at lower ISO which is what the majority of photographers shoot at. I want the cleanest possible image at 100 ISO thats possible, not the same technology from 4 years ago, I don't care about shooting grainy, noisy high ISO.

It's pretty slack for Canon in my opinion to update the AF on a 4 year old body and charge the amount of $$$ that they are for the 5D3 with no IQ upgrade at lower ISO figures.

I have over $35,000 invested in Canon gear, yes I have a vested interest in wanting Canon to spend some money on R&D and keep on improving IQ.

You can stick up for Canon all you want, but the proof is that they are being left behind by Nikon in sensor development. To argue against that, is arguing the indefensible.

 

[zixaw]

The 5D2 didn't match the sensor of Nikons D700, you honestly don't think in 4 years Canon could have given us an improved sensor in the 5D3 ?

Come on, whatever you think. Canon SHOULD have given us an IQ bump at lower ISO which is what the majority of photographers shoot at. I want the cleanest possible image at 100 ISO thats possible, not the same technology from 4 years ago, I don't care about shooting grainy, noisy high ISO.

It's pretty slack for Canon in my opinion to update the AF on a 4 year old body and charge the amount of $$$ that they are for the 5D3 with no IQ upgrade at lower ISO figures.

I have over $35,000 invested in Canon gear, yes I have a vested interest in wanting Canon to spend some money on R&D and keep on improving IQ.

You can stick up for Canon all you want, but the proof is that they are being left behind by Nikon in sensor development. To argue against that, is arguing the indefensible.

Just curious, high megapixel = better?

 

[NewbieInCS]

Greatest improvement on the 5d3 is the af. Honestly, it probably won't be that big of a difference if you are shooting f/4 zoom lens...but every time I use it with the large aperture primes, I am amazed. The accuracy is really very good and consistent. IMHO, that is where all your money is going.

 

[niccon2]

The 5D2 didn't match the sensor of Nikons D700, you honestly don't think in 4 years Canon could have given us an improved sensor in the 5D3 ?

Come on, whatever you think. Canon SHOULD have given us an IQ bump at lower ISO which is what the majority of photographers shoot at. I want the cleanest possible image at 100 ISO thats possible, not the same technology from 4 years ago, I don't care about shooting grainy, noisy high ISO.

It's pretty slack for Canon in my opinion to update the AF on a 4 year old body and charge the amount of $$$ that they are for the 5D3 with no IQ upgrade at lower ISO figures.

I have over $35,000 invested in Canon gear, yes I have a vested interest in wanting Canon to spend some money on R&D and keep on improving IQ.

You can stick up for Canon all you want, but the proof is that they are being left behind by Nikon in sensor development. To argue against that, is arguing the indefensible.

well nikon has lost dslr market share quite badly in my opinion, naturally they have to do more in their product & pricing to retain & also win over new consumer else their bottomline will be hit in longer run. canon on ther other hand has quite a substaintial market share and most dslr consumers will contiune to remain with canon due to the lens their have or not having real big justification to switch thus canon can take a back seat. when the same is happening to canon as what nikon faces in past few years, i believe canon will be like nikon today, giving whatever it got to retain & win new consumer.

 

[niccon2]

Just curious, high megapixel = better?

good question & subjective to user, to me it is good option to have. when i need, it is always good to have high mp with low noise.

 

[zixaw]

Not having owned a 5DII previously, is its IQ really that deficient?

If you must really nitpick, Nikon D700 sensor beats the 5D2 by 1 point I think.

But the D800 got a huge sensor upgrade so you can't help it but compare. 36 megapixels. More = better! At least that seems to be the mentality for some.

 

[Blur Shadow]

Greatest improvement on the 5d3 is the af. Honestly, it probably won't be that big of a difference if you are shooting f/4 zoom lens...but every time I use it with the large aperture primes, I am amazed. The accuracy is really very good and consistent. IMHO, that is where all your money is going.

And when you are tracking a moving object. Especially when you are not on a stable platform.

 

[fotoworx]

Just curious, high megapixel = better?

With higher IQ?....for me it definately would be better (and Canon should have increased it, we all know that they're going to. If you don't think that they're going to bring out a high MP body, you have your head in the sand....sorry early adopter 5D3 owners).

The cropability improvement between the 5DC and the 5D2 was fantastic. If Canon had kept going with MP increase like they did between the 5DC and the 5D2.....the 5D3 would have been absolutely insane an absolute worldwide hit instead of just fanboys trying to defend it.

Instead they gave the 5D3 4 year old sensor technology and they WILL bring out a high MP body sooner rather than later to challenge Nikon.


How quickly everyone conveniently forgets how "proud" we all felt when the 5D2 was announced with a 21 mp sensor against the D700's "lowly" 12 mp sensor even though the D700 had BETTER IQ.....fast forward 4 years and the D700 STILL has better IQ than the 5D3 !!!


Carry on making excuses for Canon, I for one will not.

 

[zixaw]

With higher IQ?....for me it definately would be better (and Canon should have increased it, we all know that they're going to. If you don't think that they're going to bring out a high MP body, you have your head in the sand....sorry early adopter 5D3 owners).

The cropability improvement between the 5DC and the 5D2 was fantastic. If Canon had kept going with MP increase like they did between the 5DC and the 5D2.....the 5D3 would have been absolutely insane an absolute worldwide hit instead of just fanboys trying to defend it.

Instead they gave the 5D3 4 year old sensor technology and they WILL bring out a high MP body sooner rather than later to challenge Nikon.


How quickly everyone conveniently forgets how "proud" we all felt when the 5D2 was announced with a 21 mp sensor against the D700's "lowly" 12 mp sensor even though the D700 had BETTER IQ.....fast forward 4 years and the D700 STILL has better IQ than the 5D3 !!!


Carry on making excuses for Canon, I for one will not.

It is always nice to have a higher megapixel count for a similar size sensor but I don't associate a lower pixel count with old technology.

DXOmark is not everything and to be honest, in real world usage, as long as I can capture the image I want, I don't really care what sensor or what the DXOmark is. Right now, I am getting more keepers with my 5D3 compared to my D800. Not a Canon vs Nikon statement, I personally think the 5D3 and Nikon D800 serve very different purposes at the extremes with an overlap in the middle. It is the overlapped portion that I think the 5D3 is more suitable for my every day walk around. On the extreme end, I think the D800 kicks major ass. My only problem is trying to afford both systems at the same time because they are both so good at what they do.

To compare the 5D3 with its older brother, the main difference I see is:

1. The AF, faster AF, more AF points, more accurate AF.
2. High ISO performance, the option to use higher ISO, therefore raising the minimum handheld shutter speed or allowing for bigger apertures giving more keepers and the ability to capture shots that were previously not possible without a tripod or flash.
3. CF and SD slot, makes it easy to save jpgs on SD card and bigger raw files on CF.

 

[Radiant]

With higher IQ?....for me it definately would be better (and Canon should have increased it, we all know that they're going to. If you don't think that they're going to bring out a high MP body, you have your head in the sand....sorry early adopter 5D3 owners).

The cropability improvement between the 5DC and the 5D2 was fantastic. If Canon had kept going with MP increase like they did between the 5DC and the 5D2.....the 5D3 would have been absolutely insane an absolute worldwide hit instead of just fanboys trying to defend it.

Instead they gave the 5D3 4 year old sensor technology and they WILL bring out a high MP body sooner rather than later to challenge Nikon.


How quickly everyone conveniently forgets how "proud" we all felt when the 5D2 was announced with a 21 mp sensor against the D700's "lowly" 12 mp sensor even though the D700 had BETTER IQ.....fast forward 4 years and the D700 STILL has better IQ than the 5D3 !!!


Carry on making excuses for Canon, I for one will not.

I don't get this discussion......I mean 1DX is going to be a 18 MP FF sensor. Pretty sure canon is not stupid. Does it mean that High MP will be better. I had a discussion with a friend who bought the D800 and his comment was it's more difficult to achieve good shots due to 36MP as he got more bad shots (not focussed, hand shake, etc due to HIgh MP requires steady hands) and would probably use the D800 DX mode more often. I guess end of the day, it will depend on your shooting style to determine if the camera works for you. FYI, D800 acceptable ISO comparable to 5D2 (personal opinion only, dun flame me)

For me, I shoot a lot of high ISO and the 5D3 high ISO capability is enough reason for me to buy. I can live with 22MP (which is plenty by the way). The better AF and other frills is just a bonus for me. (I still use a lot of center AF). I own too many canon lenses to jump ship to Nikon without feeling the pinch.......

Seriously, if you feel 5D3 don't justify yourself spending that kind of money, then dun buy. You can always wait for the next generation better cams down the road. There WILL always be a better cam. It's what you do now with it that counts.

 

[tecnica]

wah kaos, last time when the 5dmk2 came out, the nikonians make noise say 21mp is overkill la, 12mp(d700) is enough.

now the d800 is armed with 36mp, why some of them never say it's a lot? on the other hand say 5dmk3 no improvement, only up 1mp.

seriously? some people like to eat their own sh!t?

c'mon la, i mean both cameras are good in their own ways.

like many have said, if you already have an arsenal of nikkor/canon lenses, you will stay with your own camps cause' switching sides doesn't make sense(cents).

don't like, don't buy, it's that simple. nobody's pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to buy d800/5dmk3 right?

no offence but the ongoing d800 vs 5dmk3 debate is kinda getting nowhere.

:dunno:

 

[fotoworx]

wah kaos, last time when the 5dmk2 came out, the nikonians make noise say 21mp is overkill la, 12mp(d700) is enough.

now the d800 is armed with 36mp, why some of them never say it's a lot? on the other hand say 5dmk3 no improvement, only up 1mp.

seriously? some people like to eat their own sh!t?

c'mon la, i mean both cameras are good in their own ways.

like many have said, if you already have an arsenal of nikkor/canon lenses, you will stay with your own camps cause' switching sides doesn't make sense(cents).

don't like, don't buy, it's that simple. nobody's pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to buy d800/5dmk3 right?

no offence but the ongoing d800 vs 5dmk3 debate is kinda getting nowhere.

:dunno:

How about paying a little more attention the threads that your posting in and stop accusing people of eating their own sh!t.

This thread IS NOT 5D3 vs D800 thread...................it's 5D2 vs 5D3 thread morphed into what Canon should have or could have delivered.

 

[zixaw]

How about paying a little more attention the threads that your posting in and stop accusing people of eating their own sh!t.

This thread IS NOT 5D3 vs D800 thread...................it's 5D2 vs 5D3 thread morphed into what Canon should have or could have delivered.

Could have does not mean that they should have

 

[fotoworx]

Could have does not mean that they should have

Well when I'm being asked by someone whether I like to eat my own excreta, I'd at least like them to be somewhat professional.

 

[tecnica]

How about paying a little more attention the threads that your posting in and stop accusing people of eating their own sh!t.

This thread IS NOT 5D3 vs D800 thread...................it's 5D2 vs 5D3 thread morphed into what Canon should have or could have delivered.

i'm just going with the flow within the thread luh.

making connections between d700/d800 and 5dmk2/5dmk3.

like this also cannot? :dunno:

and i'm not pointing fingers as to who's eating their waste material what. :dunno:

 

[nightwolf75]

sigh... when we don't step in, it's because we are HOPING good sense will prevail.

evidently, it will not here. thread closed.