400D or 30D

[unseen]

Maybe..... I dunno about digital, but spot metering will save most film users, based on what I know.

Maybe digital is different, since one can always photoshop it.

Different people have different style.

LOL if you dunno about digital, perhaps it'd be wise to stop commenting on something you don't know about. 400D and the 30D are both digital, something you profess not to know about.

A poor workman blames his tools. It's really pitiful to see people resisting advances in technology.

Anyway, do learn to read the histograms, shoot with raw, and you will find that spotmetering is really a thing of the past.

 

[jdredd]

LOL if you dunno about digital, perhaps it'd be wise to stop commenting on something you don't know about. 400D and the 30D are both digital, something you profess not to know about.

A poor workman blames his tools. It's really pitiful to see people resisting advances in technology.

Anyway, do learn to read the histograms, shoot with raw, and you will find that spotmetering is really a thing of the past.

ill have to disagree with you there. if you dont use a spotmeter, maybe u dont miss it. but in a high contrast scene, with a spot meter, i know before i snap the shot exactly what kind of difference there is between highlight and shadows and i can exposure properly.

regardless of the advent of digital cameras, until they have some kind of AI level evaluative exposure, spot meters will always be an very useful tool for proper exposure. and even more so with the advent of HDR processing.

 

[csisfun]

ill have to disagree with you there. if you dont use a spotmeter, maybe u dont miss it. but in a high contrast scene, with a spot meter, i know before i snap the shot exactly what kind of difference there is between highlight and shadows and i can exposure properly.

regardless of the advent of digital cameras, until they have some kind of AI level evaluative exposure, spot meters will always be an very useful tool for proper exposure. and even more so with the advent of HDR processing.

Exactly. That's the problem with all metering modes. They meter everything at 18% (or 13%) grey. The problem now is that if you want to take a picture quickly, and have no time to think about how the meter would react the spot where you metered, you are going to have a problem, especially in high contrast scene. If you meter on the dark parts (like a person's hair or a black shirt on a white background), your meter is going to blow the other parts of the scene, without compensation. If you meter on the highlight side (a white shirt on a black background), you picture is going to be seriously underexposed. Therefore, in order to get a good exposure with a spot meter, you need to know the zone system, the dynamic range of your sensor and of course, how a spot meter works. If you have the time, and not forgettting the skills, then perhaps its viable to use spot meter to get a perfect exposure.

If not, I find centre weighted average or evaluative way better, although at times it may be a little stupid, but it requires less input from the user (especially evaluative), and in times of desperation, your exposure is usually not so badly off that it can't be fixed in PS. In film photography, where negatives are used, it's even easier. The latitude of the film is able to mask the poor exposure.

 

[Halfmoon]

LOL if you dunno about digital, perhaps it'd be wise to stop commenting on something you don't know about. 400D and the 30D are both digital, something you profess not to know about.

A poor workman blames his tools. It's really pitiful to see people resisting advances in technology.

Anyway, do learn to read the histograms, shoot with raw, and you will find that spotmetering is really a thing of the past.

Not knowing about digital is not equal to not knowing about spot metering, and centre weighted and evaluative metering.

Cos non-digital also have such meters.

I never blame my tools, I only seek to maximise their potential and understanding their limitation. Having a tool that have more function will open up more potential too.

 

[CYRN]

Kill all the waiting and this v.s. that? Go for 1Ds Mark II.

22MP coming loh... later still will ask 16MP or 22MP better.

 

[calebk]

Haha, good idea. Sure got another 7 pages.

 

[unseen]

ill have to disagree with you there. if you dont use a spotmeter, maybe u dont miss it. but in a high contrast scene, with a spot meter, i know before i snap the shot exactly what kind of difference there is between highlight and shadows and i can exposure properly.

regardless of the advent of digital cameras, until they have some kind of AI level evaluative exposure, spot meters will always be an very useful tool for proper exposure. and even more so with the advent of HDR processing.

Of course, I don't disagree with you totally. It's always good to have more automatic functions in a body. :bsmilie: You may be surprised, but using the 350D, I too can know before I snap a shot, exactly the difference between the highlight and the shadow regions for me to compensate to a proper exposure. It's just a matter of practice.

 

[kencfk]

Just curious, does anyone know when the 400D is going to arrive in stores?
I heard some say this coming week 10Sep, some say end of this month.
Hmm....will be interesting to see the responses of those who buy.

 

[Ris Goh]

Saw 2 units of 400D at Courts, Bukit Timah..... the nice sales girl said it just arrived today and she just finish her "training" on (how to use) this cam

Price was $1699 (with kit lens) or so.

 

[nicekit]

just came from John and played with the only 400D
it cost 1580
with 1GB memory and bag free

 

[wanzw]

no free tripod?

 

[nicekit]

no free tripod?

bo leh

 

[Tetrode]

30D can just turn rear control wheel...
350D need to press button on the back, and turn front control wheel.

also, just having the control wheel at the back, to choose all other functions, beats pressing one of 4 buttons anyday.

Amen to that.

 

[clicknick]

Had wanted to post a similar thread, but found this one.

So now that 400D has been out for sometime, has the opinions changed? Is paying more $ for the 30D really worth it compared to buying a 400D?

 

[Isaiahfortythirtyone]

if the AF system in the 400D is indeed equal to that of the 30D, i'd choose the 400D anytime. it's smaller, more convenient, higher mp count (not that it matters), dust shaker, and an equally good AF system.i've never found a use for a spot meter. have been surviving well with just evaluative and partial. it's just that i'm getting quite pek chek with my 350D's AF :sweatsm:

 

[thw]

Because of the release of Adobe Camera Raw 3.6 beta, I can now look at some RAW files taken by XT and XTi. Since XT image quality is nearly equivalent to the 30D, any conclusion drawn for the XT should apply equally well to the 30D.

There are several differences between the XTi and XT image quality: on XTi, you get (i) wider dynamic range (at both ISO 100 and 200) (ii) reduced sensitivity of about 1/3 eV (iii) slightly higher noise (iv) fairly dramatic improvement in color accuracy (no more pink cast).

 

[clicknick]

Because of the release of Adobe Camera Raw 3.6 beta, I can now look at some RAW files taken by XT and XTi. Since XT image quality is nearly equivalent to the 30D, any conclusion drawn for the XT should apply equally well to the 30D.

There are several differences between the XTi and XT image quality: on XTi, you get (i) wider dynamic range (at both ISO 100 and 200) (ii) reduced sensitivity of about 1/3 eV (iii) slightly higher noise (iv) fairly dramatic improvement in color accuracy (no more pink cast).

Thanks for sharing. That is useful comparison.

I didn't know that 400D have higher noise then 350D. Will wait for dpreview.com review to see how much noiser.

 

[ExplorerZ]

Thanks for sharing. That is useful comparison.

I didn't know that 400D have higher noise then 350D. Will wait for dpreview.com review to see how much noiser.

if not wrong the higher noise will only be seen when you look at it 100%... if you are looking at it from a normal monitor, it should appear pretty much the same, since 10MP will have to be compressed slightly more than 8MP.

anyway the main + about 400d over 350d would be the AF system.

 

[kencfk]

yeah, I think for me the AF system is the biggest plus for 400D, and the nice 2.5 inch LCD too.

 

[SabaDen]

Hi guys, is the 400D an overkill for a newbie? :think: Thanks ...