what did she mean by "sides of the film ar messed up"? try sending to another fotohub outlet or konota at peninsula plaza.
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what did she mean by "sides of the film ar messed up"? try sending to another fotohub outlet or konota at peninsula plaza.
she said that the sides which has the holes are messed up so the film can be held in place properly if she would to put it in the machine. she mentioned that it was due to the film being wound up too tightly and she had problem opening the canister.anyways i didn't bring the film to work today maybe i'll send to konota as you mention to see if they can process the film.
Rangefinder_fan
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I'd recommend the opposite actually.
I started out with prosumer cameras and finally an Oly dSLR.
Now moving back to film because I got frustrated that I did not feel I was learning enough.
The learning curve for film may be a little steeper, especially with the all manuals ones.
But, you learn a lot more, and faster too with these older film cameras, because it forces you to slow down and consider every step of the way.
Plus, getting back the contact prints and seeing the results can give you a big boost.
TS, enjoy the mechanical cameras, I'm hooked onto my OM1n and my 'new' Mamiya RB67.
It'll cost a big more, but you'll probably come out stronger in your skill set.
cheers
I started out with prosumer cameras and finally an Oly dSLR.
Now moving back to film because I got frustrated that I did not feel I was learning enough.
The learning curve for film may be a little steeper, especially with the all manuals ones.
But, you learn a lot more, and faster too with these older film cameras, because it forces you to slow down and consider every step of the way.
Plus, getting back the contact prints and seeing the results can give you a big boost.
TS, enjoy the mechanical cameras, I'm hooked onto my OM1n and my 'new' Mamiya RB67.
It'll cost a big more, but you'll probably come out stronger in your skill set.
cheers
oh....one possibility is you did not press the rewind button before winding the film back into the canister :think:
alternatve
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I would think the ripping sound made by his film tearing off it's sockets would give him a fair hint!
Samuel
probably...but he din give much info...so can only guess ;p
me almost the same.... just gotten myself OM-2n and Mamiya Pro SD and enjoying using them!
*sorry, for hijacked the thread a lil*
Because people are not the same as 30 years ago. Then people were forced to learn and understand photography, as it was the only way they could operate a camera properly. Now people are part of the remote-control, auto-everything generation, who don't even want to drive a manual car.
Hacker
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I always thought people view cameras as tools, regardless of what type of camera it is. I'm lost how a DSLR makes one a worse photographer. In this case, better tell the TS to get use large format; needs lots of time to set up, so he will be a better photographer and therefore, produce better photographs.
i think maybe ur rite. when i was a kid i was just given a fixed lens rangefinder(seems to be missing now). they didn't have any rewind button for that. anyway would be my mistake that i didn't check out the functions fully. its kinda difficult to get the manual for the camera.anyway i managed to find a site which explains all the camera functions.
is there any way to salvage the film or do i have to try and take pics again.
is there any way to salvage the film or do i have to try and take pics again.
no point arguing with you :think:
centurion_sg
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This got me thinking a bit. I suppose if a photographer who is already grounded in fundamental concepts and skills would find both types of camera are just tools, and is able to use their different strengths. But I suspect the digital cam's ability for instant review and delete can sometimes create a habit of not concentrating effort on each frame, more so for casual/hobbyist photographers since it's seldom a rice bowl issue. Afterall, working with limitations is one of the known ways that foster creativity. So for example, the use of bulky large formats can actually encourage the photographer to be more selective of the scene, to plan ahead, etc, since the effort of transport and set-up is costly. Obviously it cannot guarantee a good photo but it does guarantee that the photographer has to work harder (knowledge & practice) in getting each frame.
Not necessary, medium format manual camera enough. Large format just introduces additional weight and bulk without teaching additional skills about photography.
Look-- like it or not, tools define how we approach a craft. For example, when I go to model shoots, inevitably I'll see the DSLR users firing burst modes once the model has struck her pose. 10, 20, 30 shots a pop. And they keep doing it pose after pose. This is not sports, not action-- why are these guys shooting burst? Simply because the DSLR's already changed their belief from "make every shot count" to "free what". A film camera user would never do that, but DSLR's have changed everything. So the art of the decisive moment is lost.
Some people think that a camera is just a light tight box, but I've already written on the how illusory that logic is. The fact is that automatic SLR's/DSLR's make it easy for photographers to be lazy. Technologies such as 1000-point autofocus, matrix metering, sophisticated automatic flash/fill-in flash, VR/IS zoom lenses, burst mode, clean ISO 3200/6400, Program Mode, etc. all try to take the thinking out of photography.
But look in the Portraits & Poses section, what do you see? Tons of well-exposed, properly flashed but totally flat lighting, perfectly sharp pictures all with the same perspective-- all perfectly boring, all with unreal perfectly PS-ed or over-PSed porcelain smooth skin, not a stray hair to be seen.
Look in the sports/reportage section, what do you see? Tons of well-exposed, properly flashed, perfectly sharp pictures and perfectly motionless pictures-- runners stopping in mid-air, concert performers with mouths frozen open, all zoomed in, all perfectly unnatural.
Why? Because the photographers have let the DSLR's do the thinking for them.
Look at the great portraits. You'll find many of them used natural light, they knew how to use light and shadow to create a mood, they did not always have everything sharp (and in fact, were better off that way).
Look at the great sports pictures. You'll see lots of motion blur (exactly what DSLR's try to avoid), very little flash but great perspectives-- over, under, in the field, etc.
Yes-- some people will say that a tool is not responsible, if a photographer is lazy, it's not the tool's fault. I disagree. A manual camera makes one work for the picture, and it can only be better for the development of the photographer. Those who start out with DSLR's have a tendency to be lazy. It takes a very strong person to want to learn how to turn off the auto programs in a DSLR so that their pictures will stand out from the thousands properly exposed, perfectly sharp and perfectly boring shots.
i think understand what waileong means basically a manual camera will teach the photographer while those automatic cameras will just help the photographer.
To me those little imperfection is what sometimes makes the pictures look beautiful.
But i'm just a newbie who is learning and doesn't know much.
Anyway i sent the the film to konota at peninsular as suggested the guy checked it and said that he will try to see if he can develop the roll and to collect back later today.Hoped that he can develop it so i can see how awful my shots are.
To me those little imperfection is what sometimes makes the pictures look beautiful.
But i'm just a newbie who is learning and doesn't know much.
Anyway i sent the the film to konota at peninsular as suggested the guy checked it and said that he will try to see if he can develop the roll and to collect back later today.Hoped that he can develop it so i can see how awful my shots are.
Anjinnete Ross
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I agree 100% with you that cameras, like many other things, are mere tools.
I was reminded of a little story that someone once told me. Two photographers were photographing a subject. The first, schooled in the "old-fashioned" way, was using a view camera. The other, bred and schooled with the latest digital technology.
After a while, the "techno-photographer" asked the "oldtimer" why he did not use a polaroid. The "old timer" asked, "Why should I use a polaroid?". The "techno-photographer" replied, with sincere concern, "Well, you do not have a LCD where you could check the histogram. How do you know that the exposure was correct?". The "oldtimer" replied. "I do not need to see the histogram. I know".
There were talking about "techniques". And of course "better photographs" are more than mere techniques. But if everything else were being equal, who do you think know more about the processes of photography?
The joke is on the techno-photographer, and it's what I see on CS-ers at model shoots-- despite the 1000-pt matrix metering and sophisticated flash technology, they still don't have confidence in their automated exposures and are continually checking their histograms!!!!!
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