2 young girl

[vinns7]

JohnRambo, if I were you, I will ask what is WhiteBalance etc. etc.. composed yourself, enlarge your pics on your computer, see them over and over again, then ask where can you correct them, instead, you thought ppl here are free to bombard you with their comments.

Newbies do not know what's all these stuff. They thought DSLR is also kind of PnS. You ask this guy to compare his pics with yours, he will see no difference coz he is a NEWBIE.

Many of you here are blessed with tech that they can be adjusted to perfection and shoot or shoot then adjust to perfection later on the computer using software.

Octorine can be a better leader to the newbies. Instead of just comment, the very least he/she did was to lead you to where you can get info on the comments listed. Well done!

 

[night86mare]

wow..you guys are determine to humiliate me ..this is amazing..I guess your intention is to stop bad works like mine from posting here? but if I delete and don’t post here for criticism how am I able to know how good and bad my work is?
PS: you can insult my photo but pls do not mock at the gal by calling her funny looking..

:bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie:

it's never personal. if they criticise YOUR PERSONAGE instead of the photos, or are deliberately nitpicking, you have a right to whine like this.

otherwise, read what they write, see if it applies, and whether your picture will improve with the suggestions.

if you refuse to do that, then maybe you can post it up on nosebleeding forums.. :bsmilie: people will reward you with random comments that have nothing to do with the merits of your photo, rather about what they would like to do with your subject

 

[Renesix]

Agree with the above, we comment because we care, if not, you wont be receiving so much reply.
We can simply ignore your post and skip to another thread.

 

[smalltake]

I personally find the comments very constructive, but would be more beneficial to amatuer like us if the pros can tell us exactly what they mean in lay man terms.

Eg: "shooting portrait and aiming straight at the eyes " - something like that.

The comments might be harsh but at least people bother to take time to comments, so lets all take it positively...... cheers!!

 

[1Shot1Kill]

These are neutral technical topics that need to be applied depending on shooting conditions and your intended outcome. You see already three main points: knowing what the technical teams mean, knowing how you manage them at the camera and applying them in a controlled way on your pictures.
White balance / Saturation: The technical basics you can find using Google or Wikipedia. In addition, take your camera manual to see how to set white balance and basic saturation. Keep in mind that your camera applies already these settings when creating the jpg file. If you want to change things later I recommend using neutral camera settings or even RAW. Check the white colour in the left girl's dress: does this really look white? Also, your pictures are overexposed by 1/3 stop due to camera settings, easy to see in EXIF data.
For composition you'll find lots of pages with good examples and guidelines in the Internet. Just to give you a start: http://www.johnharveyphoto.com/LearnComposition/

The girls don't know what to do in front of your camera. That's the reason for the expression that they have here: helpless, shy, insecure - not natural. It's the same expression that many people have once they are drawn into the light of a stage in front of many people. In such cases (e.g. when I take pictures of friends) my recommendation is "Either flirt with the camera or ignore the camera." What have you told the girls?

In my humble opinion. i have been watching a while on this thread, i find that only octarine making very good sense by offering so call positive comment with good Research leads, it is very nice of this person. at the least i can see octarine command a good approach here by leading noobie photographer to a good research point. you earn some respect from me.

not like other guy, i shall not mentioned the name, but i do feel they have indirectly creates humilation to the photographer, trying to tell the photographer the model looks funny or look like dinasaur. i took some time to look at their(senior member) so call port folio, the picture isnt too fancy at all too.

photography forum is a e-Space for info exchanging, to create a cohesive mood, i think the word we use shall be very prudent by not hurting other ppl feeling.

why JohnRambo need to post the picture? cos he wish to learn, he wish to obtain some encouragement from so-called senior photographer, if first attempt people posted picture get bombardment like hiroshima atomic bombing. ppl will get discouraged and eventually move away from this forum, ppl will start to think this forum has full of aliens trying to humuliate junior photographer.

next time when u try to help amatuer photographer, do yourself a favor by putting more technical pointer like "how to improve".

my 0.5 cents worth comment.

 

[Deadpoet]

In my humble opinion. i have been watching a while on this thread, i find that only octarine making very good sense by offering so call positive comment with good Research leads, it is very nice of this person. at the least i can see octarine command a good approach here by leading noobie photographer to a good research point. you earn some respect from me.

not like other guy, i shall not mentioned the name, but i do feel they have indirectly creates humilation to the photographer, trying to tell the photographer the model looks funny or look like dinasaur. i took some time to look at their(senior member) so call port folio, the picture isnt too fancy at all too.

photography forum is a e-Space for info exchanging, to create a cohesive mood, i think the word we use shall be very prudent by not hurting other ppl feeling.

why hanmt need to post the picture? cos he wish to learn, he wish to obtain some encouragement from so-called senior photographer, if first attempt people posted picture get bombardment like hiroshima atomic bombing. ppl will get discouraged and eventually move away from this forum, ppl will start to think this forum has full of aliens trying to humuliate junior photographer.

next time when u try to help amatuer photographer, do yourself a favor by putting more technical pointer like "how to improve".

my 0.5 cents worth comment.

Welcome to Club Snap, always love to chat with newbies, especially those brand new ones ... (born on date 18th sep, 2008) ... did not know, you can follow a thread in the Portrait sub forum before registering ... hmmmm

btw, since you are so new here, let's not get personal

I never like spoon feeding ...

To TS, sorry for the OT.

Back on track, ask you a question. Do you honestly feel the model looked good in your picture. If you say yes, I rest my case.

 

[1Shot1Kill]

Welcome to Club Snap, always love to chat with newbies, especially those brand new ones ...

btw, since you are so new here, let's not get personal

I never like spoon feeding ...

thanks for welcoming me, deadpoet!

if i can communicate, i do urge you to read carefully, i did not to sound really personally, i am trying to be neutral here since i am new. i do understand some of you do try to give comment to the photographer. just that i find some comment really were given out quite bluntly. what i mean is do spare some thought for ppl. as a senior photographer like yourself, i bet if another senior photographer condemn about your standard, i bet you will jump up to the table and beat the guy up.

yes, me too not a person who like ppl feeding me

hope it is not harsh on you. you take care.

 

[1Shot1Kill]

To TS, sorry for the OT.

Back on track, ask you a question. Do you honestly feel the model looked good in your picture. If you say yes, I rest my case.[/QUOTE]

to reply you at your last question......
i can only say the model does look stiffing and nervous in the shots, there are a lot of small area the photographer need to guide the model before he seriously release the shutter button. area like poses, eye contact, mood, soul in picture. a lot of factor that contribute a good picture.

it is not the model that looks bad, its probably the whole pictur "feel" strange when this photographer who is a stranger guy suddenly come to ask for taking a picture.

hope it answer you.

 

[strobby]

John rambo .. i too got harsh remark when i post here at the begining and i feel bad about it ...but i have later learn something out from the comment and grow.

You will expect harsh remark, be it good or bad ,when you post in the forum . If the comment is good then carrying on the good work but if it is bad ,pick up the constructive comment and do a better job next time . On the positive side , tell youself that you will prove ppl wrong

Shoot more and the good shot will come along

 

[Pokka]

I do agree with the TS that the comments may seemed abit harsh. I understand miscommunication may arise when communicating over the Internet. Sometimes in these circumstances, all it takes is a certain click to the smiley face located at the right. --->

By putting in a smiley, it actually eradicates the bad feeling in that reply.

 

[smalltake]

I love you Deadpoet!!! hahah...... you really know how to liven up a thread. What you said is true lah, unless my eyes is smeared with 2#!$... :bigeyes:

You are the typical straight to the point person, no nonsense guy, dun like to joke, solid guy!! Dun worry , i dun know you and u dun know me...... bec I am an amateur (Green Bird). Either a person like you or hate you...... you are like the Master from Shaolin.... not those teaching in Community Centre one!! hahaha.........

Ok guys, take it easy lah. Just absorbed those that you 'think' is positive:thumbsup: and just ignore those you 'think' its negative.... :thumbsd:

Please dun feel humiliated, its part of the learning process..... when you become a 'blue' bird (opposite of Green Bird), then its time for you to shoot!!! Huat Ahhh!!

 

[Topsage]

I am more of a reader here than a contributor, I signed up today just to express my view on this thread..This will be my one and only post here as I have no intention and interest in this forum anymore
after watching many of the newbies being verbally abused by certain senior member, to be just as blunt like him here which he find is a cool thing to do? I am irritated by this so call expert in portraits photography, I have totally lost the respect for the culture here in CS..I have visited many photo group forum and have never seen such a lousy way of approach by that guy, he simply have no respect for newbies and think highly of himself. Is this the way for one to learn to be better photographer? Making fun of the photographer skills and calling name for his subjects. What make me feel most disgusted is when I look at his works, it really no near to any pro standard at all, perhaps he had a very hurt expreience in the past, and is now behaving the same way towards the newbies? I don't think anyone here deserve this kind of treatment no matter how bad his works are.

I know there are some good member like octarine who command positive approach and went 1 step further to guide, you earned my full respect..only hope there will be more good member like you..
I find that CS is getting more negative elements nowadays compare to the past..I am leaving for good and will stop here;(;(;(

 

[night86mare]

I find that CS is getting more negative elements nowadays compare to the past..I am leaving for good and will stop here;(;(;(

you signed up to post this?

good bye and thanks for the trolling :bsmilie::bsmilie:

in any case, i prefer deadpoet's comments to thumbsup and nosebleeding. marcus aurelius once said that “anything in any way beautiful derives its beauty from itself and asks nothing beyond itself. praise is no part of it, for nothing is made worse or better by praise.” i think it is a pretty sad state of affairs when people need justification and vindication else their little world will collapse on itself and they will emo underneath a cold water shower because they didn't get praise or sugarcoated criticism.

 

[mattroxy]

Humans...... Very very complex.

Statement "If you don't like me, tell me Directly and Don't talk behind my back".:nono::nono:

But when someone being very honest and informed you that "I don't like you", your reaction :angry::angry::angry:

Does the above statement justify? Can you really except an honest direct opinion? Do you take it as a humiliation?

To TS, I'm a noob too and never consider myself a 'Photographer' (not yet), I've been in the background reading much of the time trying to absorb as much as possible (Less Posting).

Their comments is really Harsh but they are telling the Truth.... (fact of life, sometimes the truth Hurts)

Hope their honest feedback does not dampen your photography.

 

[indaybadiday]

TS these are not type of images u wanna get CnC,im sure u can do better.now guys move along....................:sweatsm:

 

[flipfreak]

curious to know why made u take the pictures and what did u like abt the pictures?

 

[m3lv1nh0]

Relax guys.. TS also dun bother to reply anymore.. I think we can just save our engery on this and look at other better photos like what FF has posted.

 

[iluvbnw]

I am more of a reader here than a contributor, I signed up today just to express my view on this thread..This will be my one and only post here as I have no intention and interest in this forum anymore
after watching many of the newbies being verbally abused by certain senior member, to be just as blunt like him here which he find is a cool thing to do? I am irritated by this so call expert in portraits photography, I have totally lost the respect for the culture here in CS..I have visited many photo group forum and have never seen such a lousy way of approach by that guy, he simply have no respect for newbies and think highly of himself. Is this the way for one to learn to be better photographer? Making fun of the photographer skills and calling name for his subjects. What make me feel most disgusted is when I look at his works, it really no near to any pro standard at all, perhaps he had a very hurt expreience in the past, and is now behaving the same way towards the newbies? I don't think anyone here deserve this kind of treatment no matter how bad his works are.

I know there are some good member like octarine who command positive approach and went 1 step further to guide, you earned my full respect..only hope there will be more good member like you..
I find that CS is getting more negative elements nowadays compare to the past..I am leaving for good and will stop here;(;(;(

Topsage, relax, i do agreed with you, the quality of so call prof photographer here has drop like USa economy now. In portrait world in CS, its mainly maneuvered by few senior who sometime give really harsh comment but NOT Technically sound input.

I am a noobie too, sometime i see the standard this forum conduct i also start to shake head! better buy a coke and porn corn and sit back relax better.:sweat:

hope you find your future endeavor in other forum.

 

[Benji77]

Interesting responses that deal more with the human feelings rather than concentrating on what matters more = TS's mentality when he took the photos right up to the point of posting.

TS:
There are many points you can take from this thread. I personally feel that you have to grit your teeth and bite the dust. Its not about humiliation. I am sure everyone who has posted their stuff here would have encountered some form of harsh comments. Its how you intend to deal with it that matters more.

Which are you:
(a)To back down in times of challanges?
OR
(b) Stand and fight? (Flight or fight theory?)

If you fall under (a), then I'd recommend you post your camera for sale or give it away.
If its (b), then you have to grit your teeth and prove us all wrong.

 

[zh3ng]

I strongly believe in "Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder"

Just love your own shots, everyone sees things differently. Not all will agree with what another think is nice.

Since we've posted for comments and critiques, we can't avoid blunt critiscm especially from some of the pros.