14-24 vs 17-35


Hi Avsquare and all,
i was thinking...what i we want to take wedding photo...where they yum seng and you stand at one end of table trying to take a photo of everyone?
would the 17-35 be good enough? or like family photo? or 14-24?
this lens not neccessary just for landscape right?
thanks

f/2.8 cannot be used for actual wedding night dining table group photo taking. To be safe, normally, f/5.6 as the table is round, so even if they are in 2 rows, it should be treated as 3 to 3.5 rows in terms of DoF
20-24mm is normally wide enough for a group shot with 10 in 1 row.
 

avsquare said:
Photozone's review showed that the 14-24 is extremely vulnerable to flare, and one picture of the lens showed that the hood isn't sufficiently covering the front element, resulting in the lens "bending light from almost anywhere (quote)" and cause all the bad flares.

Oh yes! I read that. I don't seem to get too much flare when I use it. But then again, I don't expose it to such harsh conditions such as direct sunlight. Hehe.

But just so it stands, maybe I need to retract the part about being superior at suppressing flare.
 

Oh yes! I read that. I don't seem to get too much flare when I use it. But then again, I don't expose it to such harsh conditions such as direct sunlight. Hehe.

But just so it stands, maybe I need to retract the part about being superior at suppressing flare.

Hmm that sounds good for you, but well that's a lab test from Photozone.. who always tries to test against tough conditions to expose the strengths and weakness of the lens. I like their reviews. Seemed fair and dare to criticize on weakness.
 

Photozone's review showed that the 14-24 is extremely vulnerable to flare, and one picture of the lens showed that the hood isn't sufficiently covering the front element, resulting in the lens "bending light from almost anywhere (quote)" and cause all the bad flares.

Again, whether the 14-24mm or 16-35mm is the lens for you, I would advise on the following consideration factors:
1) Is budget a top concern for you? If budget is limited, 16-35mm is a no brainer

2) Do you absolutely need a f/2.8 UWA? If yes, 14-24mm is a no brainer

3) What's the main purpose of you buying this UWA? Is it to shoot mainly landscapes and architecture at narrow aperture?
a) YES: Do you use the D800, or you make extremely large prints where you need absolute quality and resolution?
- YES to BOTH of a): 14-24mm absolutely
- YES to either one of a): The D800 being a 36MP brings out a lot of details, which means flaws will be magnified. Similarly, if you make large prints. If it bothers you or it's not acceptable to you or your client, 14-24mm. Else, 16-35mm makes sense.
- NO to a) OR 16-35mm makes sense. See, if you are not very "anal" about the corners nor a pixel peeper, you don't use D800 nor you make large prints, you're probably just posting online and use web-size, then 16-35mm indeed makes ALOT of sense to you. At low image size and shooting at narrow apertures like f/8 onwards, you can't really tell if the picture is shot with the 14-24mm or 16-35mm. They will look both as good. And the 16-35mm saves you quite a handsome sum of money!

b) NO, my main purpose is not landscapes nor shoot with narrow apertures:
- If you need f/2.8, refer to 2)
- If you intend to have a UWA as a walk around, or bring it for travel, then 16-35mm makes ALOT of sense in this aspect - for the VR. When you travel, you may want a light package. The 16-35mm is LIGHT, and the VR will help you a lot when you walk around without your tripod. When shooting at night (stills, like streets, buildings etc), VR will come in handy for shooting at shutter speeds like 1/4, 1/8 or 1/10. Of course you can argue that the 14-24 is a f/2.8 which handles low light.. but f/2.8 is still a little slow at night. And f/2.8 is just one stop of light. VR allows you up to 4 stops of light to control handshake at low shutter speeds, and you get up to 35mm of focal length compared to 24mm (still too wide for street/walk-around).

4) Do you need to use filters, especially CPL and Big Stopper?: No brainer, 16-35mm is your choice. The 14-24mm cannot mount conventional filters. LEE have a special system for the 14-24mm but it's extremely expensive. The starter set will set you a good $500 plus back, and it supports GND as of now. Have not heard announcements that they will launch NDs and Big Stopper for the 14-24 filter system.

A couple of NDs are readily available from LEE, just not the big stopper.
 

Hi Avsquare and all,
i was thinking...what i we want to take wedding photo...where they yum seng and you stand at one end of table trying to take a photo of everyone?
would the 17-35 be good enough? or like family photo? or 14-24?
this lens not neccessary just for landscape right?
thanks
I shot weddingssssssssss with 24-70, or 17-55 previously, I don't shoot at widest end for table group photos, only amateurs and those people who hate doing table shots with ultra wide angles. I don't like to shoot table shots too but I won't go short cut.
for fun and action yum seng situations, I will just use 24mm, and don't need everyone to be in the photos, just the key persons. they love the actions photos and nobody complain to me not able to see everybody.

btw, I shoot with flash mainly, and I able to get more actions with flash.
 

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This both lens had a different capable & different angle of view.

14-24mm newly design and add nano coating, can't used normal filter, if filter needed have to select on Lee filter only the cost much higher.
One more if you can life with 14mm widen end distortion that is ok for you.

17-35mm is a traditional film design, older coating with color not as rich, SWM normally will give you a problem, the design built like a tank, fully sealed and internal focus and zoom.
Able to used with normal filter as well.

Both here I will prefer on 16-35mm VR,
New & cheap, F4 for landscape shooter should be not a big problem, the mainly landscape for smaller aperture such as F8.

So for all here, I do not need them.
Most of time I will bring my 28mm f1.8G only.

Cheers!
 

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enough info is here for the SONG to decide... can we close this thread.. LOL ;)
 

enough info is here for the SONG to decide... can we close this thread.. LOL ;)

The replies here all Song Song Kau JuRONG!!! noted all the experienced shared. and true...main thing is to capture the bride and bridegroom...or their parents...miss one or 2 guest ok one..hehe..and u better know who are the VIPs.
 

rain5533 said:
So for all here, I do not need them.
Most of time I will bring my 28mm f1.8G only.

Cheers!

You and your 28mm again. HAHAHAHAHA.
 

rain5533 said:
Good mah... i love it so much, because of large focus ring and lightweight design...

Really that good? I'm seriously considering it due to its light weight.
 

rain5533 said:
Good mah... i love it so much, because of large focus ring and lightweight design...

+1 too anyway before any get pissed off, yes i love my 28mm f1.8g
 

Oh yes! I read that. I don't seem to get too much flare when I use it. But then again, I don't expose it to such harsh conditions such as direct sunlight. Hehe.

But just so it stands, maybe I need to retract the part about being superior at suppressing flare.

This consider bad?
14-24mm

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anybody here has a 18-35 AF-D?
 

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Kinda. Where did that flare come from, the light show at MBS side? :o

haha not sure where it came from. this was taken at 14mm when the front element is all the way out
 

LYHHH said:
This consider bad?
14-24mm

Hmm... You can edit it fairly easily in Photoshop. But I suppose this is an undesirable flaw of the lens.
 

anybody here has a 18-35 AF-D?

yes.
top it off with a Samyang AE14 f2.8.

no AFS motor break down.
no VR mechanism break down.

this 2 combo is a serious alternative to the 14-24 or the 16-35 and can be had for a combined fee of around S$1.1k/.
 

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