Your camera 6 megapixels ONLY ah?
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scanner said:Err image sensor? Correct me if I'm wrong, thought it should be the sensitivity of the sensor (how much details the sensor can caputred), the dynamic range,noise level and etc....
Try comparing 1Ds MkII and 20D or 5MP Digital Back vs 1DsMkII
The larger the sensor size, the more details is capture. Right? Not just the sensitivity of the sensor.
There is a certain limit to what a P&S 8MP camera vs a 6MP DSLR.
Another is the lens a DSLR is using as well compare to a P&S.
Actually image size is one of the factor only.
If an 8MP P&S is better in terms of MP, I guess all commercial photographers would have save plenty of $$$$. No need to purchase 22MP digital backs.
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Ok, I see your point.
However, don't you agreed that the sensitivity of the sensor is another important factor as well? A 2MP DSLR image still perform better than a P&S 8MP right?
Anyway, the most important thing is whether the owner is happy with what he/she have and whether the image offered could fit the bills. There is never ending to technology chase.
scanner said:Ok, I see your point.
However, don't you agreed that the sensitivity of the sensor is another important factor as well? A 2MP DSLR image still perform better than a P&S 8MP right?
Anyway, the most important thing is whether the owner is happy with what he/she have and whether the image offered could fit the bills. There is never ending to technology chase.
You are right on the sensitivity. Would agree with you.
No doubt about it that sensitivity is one of the factors. Aiya, infact there is plenty of other factors. Cannot finish one comparing especially when it's all about IT Technology.....haiz!
It will go on and on and on.........and on and on......hahaha!
Going to do some shooting now!
eow said:
Not only the usability, the photosite's sizes, the dynamic range blah (scroll up and read my previous reply).
Correct! If we're comparing PnS, it's definitely comparable since they're all apples. Even though the F10 has high ISO and manual control, they'll still lose out in image quality to a DSLR. D1, D30, etc.
I'll try to get hold on a D1H and take some images with a 18-70 soon.
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scanner said:Ok, I see your point.
However, don't you agreed that the sensitivity of the sensor is another important factor as well? A 2MP DSLR image still perform better than a P&S 8MP right?
Anyway, the most important thing is whether the owner is happy with what he/she have and whether the image offered could fit the bills. There is never ending to technology chase.
this is where I get confused
Sensitivity is related to the pixel size, correct? But it's inversely related to pixel density which captures the true resolution of the the photo,
So a 2MP DSLR can have better DR then a 8MP P&S, but does it out-resolve the P&S?
Also, will a 1MP P&S have better DR than 12MP DSLR (ie D2X) assuming the former does have larger pixel size?
Am I missing something here? :dunno:
I know image sensor counts. But i also know the limitations of 2MP of pixels. Up till about 4 + years ago, it stood the absolute truth that the speed of the processor matters. then AMD came along and introduced another truth. These "absolute truths" will change as technology improves.
I really really don't think that 2MP pixels can output that much details as compared to a current age 7mp image. As far as I know, the cmos/ccd technology at that time was sorta limited to the higher end CCD/CMOS being able to distinguish different blades of grass and the lower ones giving you a green mush. That was the difference 4 years ago between highend and lowend..
Methinks a D70S will definitely thrash a D1H.
Also, methinks that a pro body from 4 years ago CAN be compared to a newly released 6mp or 7mp PnS and lose.
I, being a tech person, don't follow urban myths of all dSLR being 100% better than PnS. At least, not a 4yrold dSLR vs a current PnS.
Tech wise - the absolute cheapest CPU commonly available on market now is faster than the absolute top of the line commonly available CPU 4 years ago. and at less than 2% of the cost. I would say only a non tech person does not recognise the advancement of tech.
Hmmm so does anyone have a 1DH? would u mind if we do a comparison with a 7mp point n shoot (i can get hold of a panasonic FX8 immediately) @ ISO 100, similarly framed images? purely comparing image detail + quality and 8 or 12R print out. I'd pay for the cost of print out etc (i hope not too much).
splutter => Mars exploration camera costs a million to build? heh I'm sure you know that NASA were the ones who got charged $1k usd for a simple screw, $50k for a normal phillips screwdriver ya. the 1 million cost is like hmmmmmmm. LOL
I really really don't think that 2MP pixels can output that much details as compared to a current age 7mp image. As far as I know, the cmos/ccd technology at that time was sorta limited to the higher end CCD/CMOS being able to distinguish different blades of grass and the lower ones giving you a green mush. That was the difference 4 years ago between highend and lowend..
Methinks a D70S will definitely thrash a D1H.
Also, methinks that a pro body from 4 years ago CAN be compared to a newly released 6mp or 7mp PnS and lose.
I, being a tech person, don't follow urban myths of all dSLR being 100% better than PnS. At least, not a 4yrold dSLR vs a current PnS.
Tech wise - the absolute cheapest CPU commonly available on market now is faster than the absolute top of the line commonly available CPU 4 years ago. and at less than 2% of the cost. I would say only a non tech person does not recognise the advancement of tech.
Hmmm so does anyone have a 1DH? would u mind if we do a comparison with a 7mp point n shoot (i can get hold of a panasonic FX8 immediately) @ ISO 100, similarly framed images? purely comparing image detail + quality and 8 or 12R print out. I'd pay for the cost of print out etc (i hope not too much).
splutter => Mars exploration camera costs a million to build? heh I'm sure you know that NASA were the ones who got charged $1k usd for a simple screw, $50k for a normal phillips screwdriver ya. the 1 million cost is like hmmmmmmm. LOL
CYRN said:this is where I get confused
Sensitivity is related to the pixel size, correct? But it's inversely related to pixel density which captures the true resolution of the the photo,
So a 2MP DSLR can have better DR then a 8MP P&S, but does it out-resolve the P&S?
Also, will a 1MP P&S have better DR than 12MP DSLR (ie D2X) assuming the former does have larger pixel size?
Am I missing something here? :dunno:
not necessarily true.
a sensor with 2 million photosites may not totally occupy the whole surface area. There may be some gaps in between each sites. It depends on how the sensor is designed & manufactured.
hee anyway i wun say i know anything..
it's all a series of methinks.. I'd really like someone to disprove it though..
i'm comparing a 4 yr gap in tech. can anyone here back up what they say about d1h > new PnS image qualitywise? with hard evidence? I'd like to be proved wrong. I'm using a dSLR too because i feel the limitations of a PnS, but I've nvr had experience with a OLD (4 years or more) dSLR. I stress again, not against current crop of cameras.
Instead of laughing at me.. can someone back up their bag of air? Otherwise it's just like the emperor's new clothes. No one can see anything, but no one dares to admit it for fear of being called a fool. Right now I'm gonna be the fool pointing it out. Can anyone prove that I'm actually a fool (I would love to be proved wrong)? Or are you all just blind sheep following and hiding "common knowledge"?
it's all a series of methinks.. I'd really like someone to disprove it though..
i'm comparing a 4 yr gap in tech. can anyone here back up what they say about d1h > new PnS image qualitywise? with hard evidence? I'd like to be proved wrong. I'm using a dSLR too because i feel the limitations of a PnS, but I've nvr had experience with a OLD (4 years or more) dSLR. I stress again, not against current crop of cameras.
Instead of laughing at me.. can someone back up their bag of air? Otherwise it's just like the emperor's new clothes. No one can see anything, but no one dares to admit it for fear of being called a fool. Right now I'm gonna be the fool pointing it out. Can anyone prove that I'm actually a fool (I would love to be proved wrong)? Or are you all just blind sheep following and hiding "common knowledge"?
Yep yep. Methinks the same way too.unseen said:
Shucks. I don't have a D2H :cry:unseen said:
Ok ok, 7mp PnS will win a D2H in image qualityunseen said:
CoolPix 7900 vs D2H = CoolPix 7900 win Ady6: Yep... I guess the thread starter's feeling a bit bugged over these useless comparisons
I also kena before, why 6, not 8. I just try to avoid the topic because it goes nowhere. :bsmilie:synapseman said:
u have an easier problem than mine.....
sometimes pple see my camera, and ask "how come ur camera so weird one.... no screen behind? no LCD screen how to take picture?!??" :bsmilie:
i've been asked to demonstrate at airport customs that this black box i have is really a camera and not an improvised explosive device
simply cos there's no LCD screen behind to "prove" it's a camera.....amazing...
Red Dawn said:u have an easier problem than mine.....
sometimes pple see my camera, and ask "how come ur camera so weird one.... no screen behind? no LCD screen how to take picture?!??" :bsmilie:
i've been asked to demonstrate at airport customs that this black box i have is really a camera and not an improvised explosive device
amazing...
Hehe, thats a good one.
My last trip to Australia, the customs officer asked me why I brought films for my digital camera because I asked whether the X-ray machine is film-safe. He assumed that I had a digital camera with me and I told them I brought a film camera. Suddenly, two officers came to 'assist' him and verified, certified, approved and chopped it was a real camera. Film is dead. I think.
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