Wedding photo experience


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Paying to shoot at a wedding....You will be surprise that there are people out there that would want that. :eek: BTW, I am not joking here. In this day and age, some folks may be willing and more than happy that instead of hiring a photographer but actually be paid for have their photos of their big day to be taken plus printed and PAID!!!!

It may not happen in S'pore but just over the border, it is real. If you pay to shoot the event, you dictate the rules. Same as you hire a model for a photo shoot.

And folks, please keep this friendly. Strictly no crossing of swords here please.

P.S....did I say something wrong earlier?? :confused:
 

Thank you all for this interesting discussion. I have absolutely no ambition to become a pro photog (again), I am happy the way things are in my life but...

One very basic question to all pros/wanabees/newbies/starters and ambitious, serious amateurs. When I started some times back in 1970's (still a child) I started shooting and developing B&W prints on my own and reading books on all the how to's. After a few years and an engineering course later, in my twenties I realized I wanted to learn more and maybe become pro photog, so I took some courses on photography and on how to run a photog business. Isn't that the way things are today? I mean wouldn't the right way to start be by taking some courses, reading and taking pictures of everything to gain experience and to learn by books and mistakes? As far as I see in some ways it is easier today, onece you have a computer and a camera you can take thousands of pictures at no costs, analyzing each one of them and throwing away every one you want without a loss of a penny. But still, in my opinion there is still a need for learning and reading theory and at least some basics. Most of the things have not changed just some new tools to handle, the basics of photography and image composition is still the same since our eyes and brains has not changed due to evolution.

So, isn't reading books important any more? I would be scared to death to have an "assistant" with me on a wedding if I have no idea about the assistants basic knowledge and understanding of photography and equipment. By that, I am not saying I would not be prepared to offer some help but it would need to be in my spare time and the assistant would not be a photographer but an assistant (read: apprentice), carrying bags and handling hardware and observing things, listening to me. At least the first time, until I know who he/she is. So the question of who is the owner of images would not come up at all.

I think some kind of portfolio is a must. Even if it is not based on events but by showing some images you show that you know what you are doing and how to handle the hardware, lighting, colours and situations. I would say that a starter's portfolio can be built up on almost anything, since anything is better than nothing. Actually, best is I think if it is a mix because that shows a great deal of flexibility and ability to handle all situations. So, out and shoot, crawl in dirt for macro or close ups, ask family members and friends to pose for portraits, botanic gardens are very good places too especially for flowers, pets and other animals and so on. A wedding is not a party, not for the photographer. The few weddings I did I have no other memories of except work. Definitely not fun for the photographer.

Sorry if I was long and boring... Now I am ready. :sweat:
 

Blu,

I don't think you need to apologize. What you did is just great. :thumbsup: Inviting irischloe is very nice of you. If you call him/her a HE and he is a SHE (or the opposite) is not a crime. Not easy to figure out the gender here. :dunno: I have no idea and not even thinking about that part for most of CS:ers, for me that is not important. It is the problem of the English and many other languages. No way of talking right about a person without knowing the gender. Hungarian is better. There is just one word for he/she, so gender never comes up in third part. ;)
 

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And folks, please keep this friendly. Strictly no crossing of swords here please.

P.S....did I say something wrong earlier?? :confused:

maybe

One this 20th. You want to come over? You can bring your gear and be backup photographer. No payments but all shots are the property of the bride and groom.;)
I have said in my earlier post, it will be good if the tag along photographer let the couple have/own/use the images created by him.
and the tag along photographer need to seek permission from the couple to use the images as portfolio.
if both parties does not come to a mutual agreement, couple can don't accept the offer, and the tap along photographer can don't go and shoot.

since irischloe reply this..
Allow me to set the record straight.I respect evrybody's opinion.As the thread starter....let me inform everybody that personally...money isnt a real issue(at the moment;) Seriously...I was for a fact asking a favor to whoever is willing to pave way for my first wedding photo experience.Blu...sincerely appreciate it bro.But like I said,cant be really sure if I can make it to your place.For me,The OPPORTUNITY itself is REWARDING enough.I'm in no rush to make money out of this passion.I would appreciate success more if I achieve with patience and perseverance.Nevertheless...this thread has at the same time,given me some very impotant insights about good ethics in phoyography.

I believe everyone have no problem understanding this.
 

Good explanation there Olyflyer. Being the main photographer is no fun in weddings. You cannot reshoot if something goes wrong. The pressure is really great when you are being paid to do the job. Me happy as a guest. sit eat and bye bye.

Just as a what if...What if, let's say me, invited to be the photog for an important event..then on that day, something goes dreadfully wrong!!!..flash decides to go on holiday!! or something..then what? I don't think many of us carry a spare flash...right? or worst...forgot the ammo!!!! (ammo as in CF or xD) How should one handle such? :think:

And Olyflyer...you male? me, blu = male. :D

ok ok..catchlights..no one offended. If iris wanted I still have to seek the final say from the soon to be married couple. Anything else?
 

nothing else,

anyway interested to know why would someone want to pay the wedding couples to let them shoot thier wedding? what can the photographer get in return?
 

Blu, in situations like that, you need a reliable apprentice. If the flash fails you give your assistant the car keys, some money and send him to buy or rent a cheap but good enough flash while you continue to do as good as you can without. A cheap spare flash to be kept in the car or in a spare bag with you is not wrong at all. I have now four flashes, my other three are for manual only, but would work great in emergency. To have such spare things are highly affordable and may be necessary for a pro. If you forget the "ammo" at home you do the same, send your apprentice to buy some, must not be the most expensive ones, you can probably make it with cheap ones once also. Same goes for batteries or other important stuff. More problem if you are alone, in that situation if you can not call a friend or a relative to help you out it is better to tell the couple that you speed off to get some replacement stuff. Or, if it is a large crawd there is a chance somebody has dSLR with flash or memory or whatever you need. Just try to ask for help, maybe you have to pay a sum of money to borrow his/her stuff but there is a good chance that if you talk right you'll be helped out. Of course, if you borrow, buy or hire a new non FL-50 flash, you have to know how to handle it and how to shoot in manual or Auto (non TTL) mode, which is where reading and basic knowledge would be a great help.

And if all else fails, try open the phone book (which is of course with you and not trying to borrow from the newly wed) and try to find a local photog that can stand in for you. Of course you'll have to pay that photog. When the new one arrives, you tell the couple or the one that hired you and explain that there is no other way. I think this way you'd receive my recomandations (if I was the one that hired you) anyway because you handled the situation as well as possible. Especially if the photog hired by you has taken a few hundred good shots. I think newly weds are very forgivable people because they have the memories also.

One way to avoid (minimize) the risks is to set up a kind of checklist pilots have. A good preparation phase is a half success, eliminating risks of forgotten things.

Yes, OlyFlyer = male, passed 50, married and two still minor children. So, now you can not call me SHE. Before I would not mind but now you know. ;)
 

...what can the photographer get in return?
Exclusive use of the pictures for a portfolio. And you want to know where...small kampongs. ;)

hehehe..yes sir, uncle OlyFlyer, sir.
 

Exclusive use of the pictures for a portfolio. And you want to know where...small kampongs. ;)

hehehe..yes sir, uncle OlyFlyer, sir.
Please, whatever but not uncle and not sir. I don't feel that old yet. ;) Still just a guy with a camera.
 

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