WANTED: Event photographers with on-site prints

[happyshot]

Hi all.
Helping a dear friend look for an events photog for November 14 from about 6-11pm. Client also requires that the photographer also have the means to print out roughly 350 pics 4R size on the spot and in a timely manner.

Total budget for photog and prints is $500
please don't PM, I do not often check messages here. email me at
patrick@alohawerkz.com

 

[Dream Merchant]

Hi Patrick, just to clarify, that's 5 hours of work, not including transportation of equipment, set-up and testing time?



Assuming the following:

350 4R prints at an average of 80 cents per print including inks and a few test prints = $296

1 hour before event to set-up and test, plus another half hour after to tear-down and pack = 6.5 hours.



Assuming that one person can run around and shoot, download, do batch adjustments if necessary and print, the $500 budget roughly works out to:

$500 - $296 = $204 div by 6.5 hours = $31.38 / hr NOT counting transportation and equipment wear and tear.



If a printing assistant is required just to print, minus another $65 on a rate of $10/hr and the photographer is left with $204 - $65 = $21.38/hr.



Factor in $40 for transportation and meals, and that leaves either

$164 div 6.5 hrs = $25.23/hr (One-Man-Show) or
$99 div 6.5 hrs = $15.23/hr



This is assuming that ownership or rental and usage of DSLRs, batts and memory cards as well as printer/printers are totally FREE. Who pays for these?



Also bear in mind that there's added time AND performance pressure on the photographer or team, because on-the-spot-print demands does not allow much editing to be done to enhance the photos. In most situations, when there are special requests apart from the norm (of editing and delivery at a later date) additional fees are usually levied.



I'm not sure what the market rates for even photography and print-on-the-spot are like, but either $25.23 or $15.23 / hr seems low if I understand your friend's needs correctly, and i didn't mess up the maths.




I was told that open questions in services threads may be deleted, but I've always believed that in a free-enterprise market, there has to be space for freedom of speech as well some measure of transparency, if such free-markets are to remain reasonable and accessible to all, but please bear in mind, I am not an economics or business student.

 

[initialE24]

Seems like tis will take at least 2-3 persons to cover the event plus at least 2 printers...

For tis price, though it is not profitable, I am sure someone will still cover the event..

Good luck to the TS..

 

[happyshot]

Nice...
dream merchant... simply put,
there are guys who can do it and guys who can't. there are guys who will do it and guys who won't.

anyways, no one is twisting anyone's arm. I'm fair and I'm working on getting the photog other perks that truth be told a photog might not otherwise get in a lifetime. Furthermore, they will probably not need the photog to be there for all those hours. I will be there and most likely my friend will give them the ok to leave earlier with me filling to complete the evening. The way I see it, the plan was to set-up at 6 and break down by no later then 10 and out the door by 11 or earlier so you can most likely take off your added hours for set-up and breakdown. Food and drinks will be included so you can take that off to. Like I said some guys can do it, some guys can't. Some guys will, and some guys won't. If it's not for you, it's cool. The one thing I don't want is for guys to crank up the cheapo train when I am not the one handling payment. Anyone who knows me knows I am absolutely a fair guy which is why I am working on getting the photog other things that many of us might find absolutely priceless and once in a lifetime.

as always, keep smiling

 

[Dream Merchant]

No worries and certainly no hard feelings, but if there were such "priceless gems" in the offering, what are they and why not mention it upfront?

No one is saying you're being unfair Patrick.

 

[happyshot]

the priceless gems, after secured i'll bring it out. for now, photogs who can work in this budget as a minimum keep signing up. if not, it's cool, all the best and happy hunting.

I think i have a neat little network of friends who can help photogs. maybe not always in money, but definitely in other ways.

 

[catchlights]

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I was told that open questions in services threads may be deleted, but I've always believed that in a free-enterprise market, there has to be space for freedom of speech as well some measure of transparency, if such free-markets are to remain reasonable and accessible to all, but please bear in mind, I am not an economics or business student.

You are correct about this....
Unless, Mods also find the offers are extremely ridiculous, and should let other CSers posting honest feedbacks in this thread.

 

[catchlights]

Seems like tis will take at least 2-3 persons to cover the event plus at least 2 printers...

For tis price, though it is not profitable, I am sure someone will still cover the event..

Good luck to the TS..

offer students price,
pay students rate,
get students works,

for students get extra pocket money and still able to learn something, why not? such a good deal, hard to come by anyway.

what a wonderful world! I :heart: ClubSnap!

 

[fotoudavid]

Print on the spot no mean feat.

If use selphy, then u need at least 5, to exchange when heated up. That will cost how much?

If use bigger like zebra and noristu, that will cost a few thousands but run smoothly, but will still **** up if things not done properly like pressure on ribbon etc.

I think by posting some un-secure gems will be good to get more response, as more season photographer will not do as Nov is busy mth, and the pay not good at all.

My 2 cts.

 

[calebk]

I don't understand the need for hidden "once-in-a-lifetime" gems and perks. Simply put, either be upfront about it, or don't offer it at all.

Some photographers are in this because it puts rice on their table (but they probably won't do this gig; IMHO, it's just not economically savvy, as has been broken down by Dream Merchant). They probably could do without these hidden perks.

 

[StarAlliance]

I can do events photography but quite hesitant cause capturing min. of 350 pictures plus printing at the same time is very tiring. Assume the photographer has his own DSLR and portable printer.

 

[Vic Vu]

Aloha, Patrick.
In my oppinion, I think it's reasonable. With some1 who have an install printer, they can do it ok. BTW, this event, P requirements' maximum are..... not minimum. I worked with him once and I think it's very comfortable when working like this... I think some1 still can cover this event with this budget. but, recommend two guys atleast 1 photosgrapher & 1 DI Artist. Cause printing 350 photos is around 3hours already.(you have to count the error of the print, the paper, the ink, bla bla...) I worked as DI Artist for 1 CSer here, so this always happen, you have to had the knowledge to solve the problems. So hope this will help with some1 with this kind of work.
Up for you, my friend!

 

[generalsales]

very correct , wasted paper can range from 20-50 sometime even more due to technical fault . . these are $ invloved .. but serious $500 is a bit low for if u engage full force ,

Aloha, Patrick.
In my oppinion, I think it's reasonable. With some1 who have an install printer, they can do it ok. BTW, this event, P requirements' maximum are..... not minimum. I worked with him once and I think it's very comfortable when working like this... I think some1 still can cover this event with this budget. but, recommend two guys atleast 1 photosgrapher & 1 DI Artist. Cause printing 350 photos is around 3hours already.(you have to count the error of the print, the paper, the ink, bla bla...) I worked as DI Artist for 1 CSer here, so this always happen, you have to had the knowledge to solve the problems. So hope this will help with some1 with this kind of work.
Up for you, my friend!

 

[JacePhoto]

It seems OT. TS know about the market and so the type of results he is getting. I understand Dream Merchant's point of view as well and appreciate his input. Everyone has raised a very valid point here.

My own two cents input is this: With the emerging of technology getting cheaper and more accessible, many photo enthusiast do take very gd photos. Clients are also getting very budget constraint. To over come the problem, i usually work this way if i were to take up a job. Do the essential according to the client's payment, requirements. If i proposed something out of the ordinary, i would upload the results on a e-commerce photo platform and invite the client to view it. If he likes it, then pay for that particular picture. This can make-up for the short fall in the lower price quoted.

We must also understand that sometimes clients hesitate to pay for what they cant see. Plus with the fact that many photographers armed with the latest gadgets does not deliver, they further reduce the client's confidence. As such, the only way is sometimes let the client feel the pain of losing that precious moment/ event with an inexperienced photographer or.... let him view what he is gg to pay after the event.

Sorry if i did not help in the situation. As summarised, i understand Dream Merchant's point of view and TS's point of view. Perhaps let the free market decide...

 

[Luval]

pretty much workable. and if u do not factor in the manhour rate.. I have personallly work with LONG ago. (Not me running the event) these are corporate event who provide prints and 1 event PG. With company like this . their overhead are low and also they pay peanuts to the DI artist and PG.

 

[happyshot]

nice feedback both ways.
I won't give the extras here, or at least not until I secure it. No sense promising anything if can't deliver right? On the other hand, at least you know I personally realize the shortcomings and am working on it to make it up in other ways. Truth be told, I don't have to, but I do try to be fair. After all, I'm in the business like the rest of you. We all have to realize that people come to clubsnap sometimes as a first choice and other times as a last resort. It shouldn't be taken personally. This gig, it's doable. Yeah, you won't get rich, we all know that. Some guys look for monetary gains, others look for gains down the road so it's up to each person. All I can really say is that these are great people to be around and they can open doors. If they weren't good guys to know, I would have never released any info here. I took a chance years ago and trusted them and it has been a blessing for me as I am sure it will be for someone else. Anyway, I've gotten feedback, opinions, enquires, and that's terrific, for better or for worse I appreciate it all so I thank each and every one of you for that.


hey vic vu, nice of you to chime in, hope everything is working out for you.
jacob, I cleared my message box (my phone has been screwy) but I got your sms, I had to reserve that media pass for a client.


as always, keep smiling

 

[Life is good]

Interesting. sounds like a Private D&D function. These assignments are mostly tight on the ad ons say a PG. and the rest of the mullah goes to the event company of course . did a coordinating role in a similar situation and the PG was paid hourly.( i cant take pics as iam the coordinator) The payment here as mentioned does make a PG sweat a little. the prints including errors or misprints will cost a bomb.(small portable printers drink ink faster then a thirsty recruit after 2.4 run) thats a factor that should be factored in the cost. hmmm maybe another job post will appear to compliment the PG.. hahah a printer on the spot service. oooo then that would be interesting. HAVE a wonderful weekend everyone and may there be smiles in every clubsnappers. Love and Hugs:sweatsm::thumbsup:

 

[happyshot]

i love all the analysis... totally wrong though bro.
anyways, i've narrowed it down and will be contacting that person in the upcoming week
working on the goodies, and no worries, it looks good.
thread closed.

as always keep smiling