Summicron 50 f2 or Nokton 50mm f1.1?

[baboonish]

Hello guys! I have been dying to get my hands on a 50mm M mount lens to try out since October 2009. However, with the time constraint from school and work.. I had little time to piece together information on which lens to get.

I enjoy the bokeh from Rangefinder photography and also Street Photography.

I have looked around the web and I saw that the Nokton 50mm is quite bulky.. However the summicron 50mm only stops at f2. I might want to have a shoot at night at times:bsmilie:

However if I would get the Nokton, I would miss all the good stuff on the Summicron like the "glow" and the feel of a Leica lens. (Already own a Nokton 40mm 1.4)

If I may ask, if you were me, what lens would you choose and why?

Thanks in advance

 

[mrbobeep]

Hmm...the same thing came across my mind too.. wanting to get a 50mm while i already have the 40mm f1.4.

In my opinion, the difference is focal length is quite negligible. So I don't really see the point of getting the Summicron (not familiar with the glow, though i often hear about it). Saw some f1.1 sample in the other thread and surprised by the result. If you have the spare cash why not. You won't know how good it is until you try it.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I kind of like the 50mm F1.1!

Nice & sharp lens. But I cant afford it, am only a lowly paid blue collar worker :cry:

 

[baboonish]

Hmm...the same thing came across my mind too.. wanting to get a 50mm while i already have the 40mm f1.4.

In my opinion, the difference is focal length is quite negligible. So I don't really see the point of getting the Summicron (not familiar with the glow, though i often hear about it). Saw some f1.1 sample in the other thread and surprised by the result. If you have the spare cash why not. You won't know how good it is until you try it.

Yeah the Nokton 40 is almost similar and better in f-stops compared to summicron 50 but I was thrilled by some of the sample images taken by it. However the Nokton 50's Bokeh is seemingly attractive. There is this difference between the nokton and the summicron lens, a feel... which I can't put to words..

 

[baboonish]

I kind of like the 50mm F1.1!

Nice & sharp lens. But I cant afford it, am only a lowly paid blue collar worker :cry:

Yeah, save for it! I work part-time as a Cashier @ Carrefour and am also studying..

 

[dankwan]

Yeah, save for it! I work part-time as a Cashier @ Carrefour and am also studying..

My 2 cents: I am sure you have an acceptable 50 so:

get the Nokton 1.1, bokeh is acceptable (my opinion: quite nice actually), sharp wide open and with an ND filter can be your all purpose 50. Mount it on your cam and shoot all day long in all situtations. You will need the extra stops in low light scenarios where the 50 cron is somewhat limited (unless you use high iso film).

The Nokton 1.1 will become a classic and will always be somewhat desired. Ifyou getthe cron you will always be wondering what it is like to shoot at 1.1. And once you get the Nokton, you will always be wondering what it is like to shoot at 0.95 or 1, now thats dangerous territory

get the cron later, the nokton is a really good lens, Hope that helps.

 

[baboonish]

My 2 cents: I am sure you have an acceptable 50 so:

get the Nokton 1.1, bokeh is acceptable (my opinion: quite nice actually), sharp wide open and with an ND filter can be your all purpose 50. Mount it on your cam and shoot all day long in all situtations. You will need the extra stops in low light scenarios where the 50 cron is somewhat limited (unless you use high iso film).

The Nokton 1.1 will become a classic and will always be somewhat desired. Ifyou getthe cron you will always be wondering what it is like to shoot at 1.1. And once you get the Nokton, you will always be wondering what it is like to shoot at 0.95 or 1, now thats dangerous territory

get the cron later, the nokton is a really good lens, Hope that helps.

Ah, thanks for the generous explanation! Actually I have only the 40mm lens but as what you have mentioned, certainly I would want to know how it feels like at 1.1 when I shoot at f2 with the Cron. Thanks, I would certainly note your comment.

By the way, how does the ND filter helps make shooting more convenient? Is it a red/blue/green filter? Sorry I am quite new at this..

 

[dankwan]

Ah, thanks for the generous explanation! Actually I have only the 40mm lens but as what you have mentioned, certainly I would want to know how it feels like at 1.1 when I shoot at f2 with the Cron. Thanks, I would certainly note your comment.

By the way, how does the ND filter helps make shooting more convenient? Is it a red/blue/green filter? Sorry I am quite new at this..

The nd filter helps cut bright lighting situations so you don't max out your shutter speed when shooting wide open to take advantage of the lens' bokeh. Red green etc only for b/w. Get at least an nd4

 

[baboonish]

The nd filter helps cut bright lighting situations so you don't max out your shutter speed when shooting wide open to take advantage of the lens' bokeh. Red green etc only for b/w. Get at least an nd4

I see, so is it possible to have a ND filter and a red filter on in Daylight shooting? I might want the extra contrast and the bokeh at once heheh:bsmilie:

 

[Royale With Cheese]

color filters like yellow, green, orange, red etc. are more for B&W photography.

red filter "acts" like an ND filter. It gives stronger contrast on your B&W pictures & exposure if 2 stops down when using red

 

[dankwan]

I see, so is it possible to have a ND filter and a red filter on in Daylight shooting? I might want the extra contrast and the bokeh at once heheh:bsmilie:

yes it is. The red already has a filter factor , used alone it already cuts the light. Using it together with an nd is of course possible you just need to figure out what the combined filter factor will be. If you have ttl metering then no problem. I have never come across a situation where I used 2 together though....

 

[baboonish]

yes it is. The red already has a filter factor , used alone it already cuts the light. Using it together with an nd is of course possible you just need to figure out what the combined filter factor will be. If you have ttl metering then no problem. I have never come across a situation where I used 2 together though....

Oh I get the full picture now. So I would only use the ND filter if I shoot in color and red filter if shoot in BNW. Thank you so much for the helpful information!

 

[eamesboy]

Just buy the latest Noctilux f0.95 and end of story for 50mm. :devil:

Btw, your 40/f1.4 is enough to cover both day and night.
The range is a bit off. But, when you shoot close up.
You cant even tell is a 40mm or 50mm.

If not the canon 50 f1.4 is a great lens!
Sharp and high contrast! This will cover your need.


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[eamesboy]

I kind of like the 50mm F1.1!

Nice & sharp lens. But I cant afford it, am only a lowly paid blue collar worker :cry:

STOP smoking and drinking. You can buy a Noctilux in 6 month time bro! ;(


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[baboonish]

Just buy the latest Noctilux f0.95 and end of story for 50mm. :devil:

Btw, your 40/f1.4 is enough to cover both day and night.
The range is a bit off. But, when you shoot close up.
You cant even tell is a 40mm or 50mm.

If not the canon 50 f1.4 is a great lens!
Sharp and high contrast! This will cover your need.


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Ahaha, I would have to work full-time as a cashier for 3 years before I can get the lens!!!! :cry:

Maybe next time when I graduate!

You're right, I would play around with my 40f/1.4 in the mean time while saving up for the lens.

Thanks for the recommendation! I would look it up

 

[Hacker]

Why only between f/1.1 and f/2? Sure there are many lenses in between these 2 apertures.....? :think:

 

[baboonish]

Why only between f/1.1 and f/2? Sure there are many lenses in between these 2 apertures.....? :think:

Oh I was considering both of these lens because of the cash constraints.. I would choose the pre-asph lux but the cost is.... hefty... but the images produced are.....:sweat::thumbsup:

 

[dankwan]

Oh I get the full picture now. So I would only use the ND filter if I shoot in color and red filter if shoot in BNW. Thank you so much for the helpful information!

you can shoot with the ND with both color and b/w film. You can only shoot red green yellow filters with b/w. The ND is to control light not contrast. If you mount red, green, yellow filters on color, all your shots will take on the color of the filter.

 

[baboonish]

you can shoot with the ND with both color and b/w film. You can only shoot red green yellow filters with b/w. The ND is to control light not contrast. If you mount red, green, yellow filters on color, all your shots will take on the color of the filter.

Yeah I will try the ND with the B/w filters on my 40mm! Will post the pic up soon, thanks alot Sir!

 

[Royale With Cheese]

STOP smoking and drinking. You can buy a Noctilux in 6 month time bro! ;(


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Hahahahahaha!

I also think so... Now got new new year resolution