Ricoh GXR!
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Reim1o
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I just hope Ricoh post a lens roadmap soon. I still can't decide on which one to buy. EP-2 or GXR
EP-2 has more lenses but the gxr's 33mm 2.5 still have shallower DOF than pany 20mm 1.7 on same field of view. The only thing missing in gxr for me is large sensor wide angle prime.
<16mm (24mm) f/2.8 + 60mm (90mm) f/2.8 would've made my mind.
Hope Sony's has more fast primes.
EP-2 has more lenses but the gxr's 33mm 2.5 still have shallower DOF than pany 20mm 1.7 on same field of view. The only thing missing in gxr for me is large sensor wide angle prime.
<16mm (24mm) f/2.8 + 60mm (90mm) f/2.8 would've made my mind.
Hope Sony's has more fast primes.
artspraken
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artspraken
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Unfortunately, it is still far too expensive. And the IQ is only significantly better than m4/3 when the A12 is used because of its bigger sensor. Everyone focused their attention on the A12 so much so that it is not really known if S10 performs better than its rivals.
I had asked Stanley Young of GR Fan Club on his opinion on EP-1, GF-1 and GXR and he said he will buy the GXR in an instant but the price in Taiwan and focusing speed of A12 is putting him off. These are the two things Ricoh must act upon if they want GXR to sell well. For me, although I really like Ricoh camera's handling and really useful features, I will get the GF-1 instead :cry:
I had asked Stanley Young of GR Fan Club on his opinion on EP-1, GF-1 and GXR and he said he will buy the GXR in an instant but the price in Taiwan and focusing speed of A12 is putting him off. These are the two things Ricoh must act upon if they want GXR to sell well. For me, although I really like Ricoh camera's handling and really useful features, I will get the GF-1 instead :cry:
artspraken
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if the autofocus is fast, I will definitely get GXR complete set.
I think the A12 is the main attraction.
The S10 is more or less a tag along. I already have GRDIII so I dun really need S10.
I think the A12 is the main attraction.
The S10 is more or less a tag along. I already have GRDIII so I dun really need S10.
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artspraken
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The GXR sensor is 40% bigger than m4/3 (EP-2 and GF-1).
The GXR price is:
so based on numbers alone, the GXR is cheap
The GXR price is:
- abt 10% more than m4/3.
- abt 30% cheaper than Leica X1
so based on numbers alone, the GXR is cheap
isomers007
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I had the gx100 before and using it in macro mode is slow. Is the A12 slow like that with or without macro mode? If it's slow like my gx100 in macro mode, i dont have any prob with that.
ANyway after using a gx100 for so long, I don't quite like the controls of lx3/gf1. I'm considering between the EP2 and GXR. Maybe the EP2 would change that. I just wish Ricoh would publish their lens roadmap.
No, A12 is a bit slow without macro mode. It is slower when in macro mode. However, all these are derived from what I've read elsewhere but are opinions from experienced Ricoh users.
I had used the GRD II, GX-100/200 and really like the handling and control. Like Ricoh so much that I sold off my entire Canon system to save the money for GXR but in the end, I bought the GF-1. Chatted with James from TK and he is expecting the prices to be pretty high as well. If the online prices are any indication, I can actually buy two GF-1 pancake kits for the GXR + A12 + S10 without the VF-2...
Yes, the sensor in A12 is bigger than m4/3 but not the S10.
Also, if the MSRP of GXR + A12 is about 1.6k USD, I don't see how it will only be 10% more expensive than m4/3.
artspraken
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Friend Randius,
Boo on you! Like yourself, I did consider GF-1 very thoroughly, but I not willing to enter m4/3 because signs indicate that there will be rollout of new bodies over time because (i) Olympus has shown how quickly they move from EP-1 to EP-2; and (ii) numerous other players like Fuji and Canon may be entering m4/3.
By contrast, the GXR Body is a keeper. . Remember that! The very concept of having the sensor+lens module is that Ricoh plans to focus R&D on modules for the future. This means that the GXR may be more expensive for the first purchase, but because the body can be reused for future modules, it means the long term cost is going to be cheaper.
I do not think many people who complain about GXR costs are aware of this argument that the GXR body is intended by Ricoh for the long term.
Go ahead, be a zealot and boo all you want. I can see that you are getting very defensive over it. I am just considering and getting the best compromise I am willing to spend on. Mind you, EVERYONE knows that Ricoh has long term plan for the GXR, as demonstrated when Ricoh showcased the module prototypes and some modules like the extension and wireless units are actually very interesting. Most of us also know that the idea of having one single interface (which we all have gotten used to and love) for all the modules is a fantastic idea. However, cost is always a barrier and you cannot deny it. Not everyone can afford the GXR system when it may cost as much as their monthly salary. In addition, we also have no idea of the pricing for the proposed units.
Despite that Ricoh intends for the GXR to be more than just a photographic equipment, most of us are still focusing on that most important aspect. And so far, what is known are only A12, S10 and the 28-200/300 zoom high-speed unit coming out next year. Ricoh really needs to release a road map to entice potential buyers.
If you are bent on getting a set and you have the dough, you can be the pioneer. I canceled my reservation when I learned of the pricing and will only consider looking back again when the system is more established.
artspraken
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btw the boo is in jest and no offence is intended. i am indeed defensive due to my newly acquired loyalty to the Ricoh brand, so impressive has the GRDIII been that i am now a stout convert to the cause of Ricoh.
i cannot and do not deny cost may be prohibitive to reason for many, my only rationale for justification is to look long term, as you are already aware. in fairness, there is an additional risk that the entire Ricoh module system may simply be abandoned in the coming year due to lack of adoption during go-to-market. in that event, the "long term" dream may turn out to be only a dream. there, see, i am not too defensive now. hehe
i cannot and do not deny cost may be prohibitive to reason for many, my only rationale for justification is to look long term, as you are already aware. in fairness, there is an additional risk that the entire Ricoh module system may simply be abandoned in the coming year due to lack of adoption during go-to-market. in that event, the "long term" dream may turn out to be only a dream. there, see, i am not too defensive now. hehe
I understand your stand now. I still like Ricoh and heck, I got a bunch of Japanese GRD/GX-100 books and even the coloured rings (including the aluminium one), which I will be keeping. Unlike the flagship GR and proven GX/CX lines, the GXR system is new (just like m4/3 when it came out) and innovative and I want to see how well will it establish itself before considering.
GXR is definitly more expensive from a long-term perspective.
Due to the "fixed lens to sensor" design the value of the lens drops from the moment you paied for it as the sensor loses its value due to technological advancement.
Each time you invest in a new lens that is coupled with a sensor made of a new technology more is paid for new technoloies are expensive.
Even if you can justify it as "cheap" by your own reasoning, "cheap" does not amount to cost saving which is achivable through an interchangable lens system.
Still, to be fair I would say I defninitly would buy myself a GXR if Ricoh had released a pancake prime lens and I hadn't bought a GF1.
Due to the "fixed lens to sensor" design the value of the lens drops from the moment you paied for it as the sensor loses its value due to technological advancement.
Each time you invest in a new lens that is coupled with a sensor made of a new technology more is paid for new technoloies are expensive.
Even if you can justify it as "cheap" by your own reasoning, "cheap" does not amount to cost saving which is achivable through an interchangable lens system.
Still, to be fair I would say I defninitly would buy myself a GXR if Ricoh had released a pancake prime lens and I hadn't bought a GF1.
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