Review on the Deletion of Threads

[vince123123]

I thought it may be better to post in this thread since it appears nowadays that anything posted in Kopitiam gets derailed by the usual OT-people.

The original thread was at http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540563.

I understand the main issue to be whether thread starters should be allowed to delete their threads; which results in consequential deletions of other posts made by other people; posts which required time, labour and effort to create and post.


With the deletion of threads, the efforts of these subsequent posts vanish into nothingness and there is understandably some concern on continuing to allow this to happen.

Some suggestions put forth include allowing the thread starter to lock his thread, but not to delete the same; so as not to result in deletion of the efforts and contributions by the other members. To me, this does appear to have some merit.

Would appreciate some consideration of this issue by the moderators and administrators alike. Thanks!

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

On a serious note... those are about kopitiam thread, for yours i think you're referring to the portrait thread.

I received this report yesterday after my remark.

*** has reported a post.

Reason: Quote:

You cannot force people to take negative comments. I do not for once think that d_ca also can take negative comments. Look at his signature. After so many months, he still cannot swallow the bitter pill.

Mods and admins, in the midst of a happy occasion just around the corner at the SAM. You should discipline this mod to take on a more proper public relation with cs members, not one that is hostile.​

Post: What happened to these 2 threads?
Forum: Kopitiam
Assigned Moderators: ***

Posted by: Del_CtrlnoAlt
Original Content: Quote:

Originally Posted by Limsgp

Is it fair that the TS removed all other member's posts when they deleted the thread? Simply locking the thread would be fairer to the others who contributed right? What if someone spent 2 hours writing a long reply then the next day the whole thread is gone?

btw, I didn't see the thread and is not aware of it. Just wondering what would members feel if their posts are removed w/o their consent (via deletion of thread)..​

true, there was once i undelete a thread in portrait section cos i was replying my lengthy thesis on the image, the TS deleted the thread when he felt that he did not get consensus on the images he take, but i undelete to show other members the flaws and share views.

of course... not everyone can take negative remarks.​

well, his remarks may just wanna attack me as a usual fiend boy, but no doubt there will be resistance... esp for this 'clone' whom i think is i dereg for trolling me when i remark on his images before... you guys might know who he is. thats why when we undelete, there will be incremental fiendboys on mod side...

 

[vince123123]

Actually I was speaking generally rather than referring to any specific thread being deleted. I was also inclined to post this because of more threads in P&P which just got deleted (eyedear).

I think that rather than deleting and undeleting and thereby opening the moderators to unnecessary and unwanted attacks, to simply remove the permission setting for members to delete threads which they start.

On a serious note... those are about kopitiam thread, for yours i think you're referring to the portrait thread.

I received this report yesterday after my remark.

well, his remarks may just wanna attack me as a usual fiend boy, but no doubt there will be resistance... esp for this 'clone' whom i think is i dereg for trolling me when i remark on his images before... you guys might know who he is. thats why when we undelete, there will be incremental fiendboys on mod side...

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Actually I was speaking generally rather than referring to any specific thread being deleted. I was also inclined to post this because of more threads in P&P which just got deleted (eyedear).

I think that rather than deleting and undeleting and thereby opening the moderators to unnecessary and unwanted attacks, to simply remove the permission setting for members to delete threads which they start.

Well, some people prefer to have the control over their mistake.

 

[vince123123]

If it is purely a decision that affects oneself, that is fine; but if it affects the others who have contributed to that thread, then I think it is another matter altogether.

Hopefully we can have some official decision on this

Well, some people prefer to have the control over their mistake.

 

[maddyks]

While I do think that deletion of posts is acceptable, deletion of threads should not be. After all, other people post on it too. Closing a thread is fine too.

And any offensive posts can always be reported to the mods.

 

[night86mare]

yeah, there doesn't seem to be any point allowing people to do it.

i can't think of any valid reason to really say why a threadstarter should be given the power to delete his thread

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

While I do think that deletion of posts is acceptable, deletion of threads should not be. After all, other people post on it too. Closing a thread is fine too.

And any offensive posts can always be reported to the mods.

delete of 1st post = delete of thread.

 

[vince123123]

I can think of two possible solutions for the mods/admin's deliberations:

1. Disable deletion of posts - I think on balance, it is better to disallow deletion of posts than to have to suffer deletion of threads just to allow deletion of posts.

2. Disable deletion of posts but allow editing of posts. This has the benefit of (1) without the fallout. If a person wishes to delete his post, he simply edits it and inserts a blank "-" or the like. The rest of the thread remains.

delete of 1st post = delete of thread.

 

[Limsgp]

Some comments.. ( The below does refer to thread deletion by TS only. Does not apply to Deletion by mods)

especially for KPT where it is mostly "expression of opinions". And not so much of C&C on one's works, where there may be issue of pride and ego and gets a little complicated.


#1
When a thread is removed, the contributor's view and freedom of expression is suppressed.

So, "You cannot force people to take negative comments", but someone else can force the suppression of one's freedom of expression (via deletion of thread and associated posts)?


#2
Thread Starter = Thread Owner? Even if this is so, Does the owner of the thread also owner of all the posts within the thread? Apparently not so, according to ClubSNAP's Terms of Use "12. Legal ownership - Each message posted is owned by and is the opinion of the original poster". The person who post is the owner of the "post/message", not the thread starter.

So.., what gives another person the right to remove a post not owned by them in a public forum?

 

[John Teoh]

delete of 1st post = delete of thread.

But they still can edit their posts right? Then maybe can remove the content of the first post. The rest they can delete themselves.

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

But they still can edit their posts right? Then maybe can remove the content of the first post. The rest they can delete themselves.

true, but essence gone...

besides that, if someone else quote the 1st post, then subsequent post to be edited?

 

[Clown]

I thought it may be better to post in this thread since it appears nowadays that anything posted in Kopitiam gets derailed by the usual OT-people.

The original thread was at http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540563.

I understand the main issue to be whether thread starters should be allowed to delete their threads; which results in consequential deletions of other posts made by other people; posts which required time, labour and effort to create and post.


With the deletion of threads, the efforts of these subsequent posts vanish into nothingness and there is understandably some concern on continuing to allow this to happen.

Some suggestions put forth include allowing the thread starter to lock his thread, but not to delete the same; so as not to result in deletion of the efforts and contributions by the other members. To me, this does appear to have some merit.

Would appreciate some consideration of this issue by the moderators and administrators alike. Thanks!

well this is a privately owned forum poised to give the photographic community a place to discuss and share their passion for photography, not a public nor democratic political platform where individuals attempt to wrestle for 'seniority' (via post counts or their command of english or legal savvyness).

the admins and mods work for the good of the forum as a whole, regulating posts to keep things pleasent around here.

it doesnt matter if members put in huge amounts of effort into writing a piece of garbage and in the end cause unpleasent feelings among other readers - we would just delete the offending post or even the whole thread if the starting post is offending to begin with.

if any member feels that it's their duty to put effort and time into creating unease in the forum, then it's our job to remove this source altogether.

of course we're always lookings towards self-regulated forum, but will step in once we feel things have gotten out of hand.

 

[nemesis32]

Honestly, i do not see why the mods should delete the threads or posts unless it's vulgar, inappropriate content (nudity or porn pics), political and reglious arguments (which both i believe were prohibited in CS forum rules) and ads (non-photography related).

As a public forum, i think it's key to be Transparent. As Vince has pointed out, deletion of threads/posts, regardless of intent and purpose, may be perceived as high-handedness by mods. I do noticed, that since i join (cant rem when, prob 2001 or 2002>?), we have quite a few dramas that's more interesting than anything TCS has put up. Sure, sometimes there will be troublemakers (can't really avoid) but i feel some times, the mods may be a little short fused. There's has been an huge increase of deregistered users as well, some will be missed by CS as they have been very good to the education and sharing of knowledge in CS. I am sure some of the older members will know who i am taking about.

 

[Clown]

Honestly, i do not see why the mods should delete the threads or posts unless it's vulgar, inappropriate content (nudity or porn pics), political and reglious arguments (which both i believe were prohibited in CS forum rules) and ads (non-photography related).

As a public forum, i think it's key to be Transparent. As Vince has pointed out, deletion of threads/posts, regardless of intent and purpose, may be perceived as high-handedness by mods. I do noticed, that since i join (cant rem when, prob 2001 or 2002>?), we have quite a few dramas that's more interesting than anything TCS has put up. Sure, sometimes there will be troublemakers (can't really avoid) but i feel some times, the mods may be a little short fused. There's has been an huge increase of deregistered users as well, some will be missed by CS as they have been very good to the education and sharing of knowledge in CS. I am sure some of the older members will know who i am taking about.

actually most of the previously deregistered users are still around, under other names which we will not reveal.
we allow this because they learnt to behave themselves and started watching their language.

of course we try to be transparent in some ways but it's really waaaay too annoying to edit and delete text content of every single post, replaceing it with 'edited by mod due to unacceptable content'. furthermore if we even try to do that, in just a few hours the forum will be filled with useless threads just floating around and wasting valuable screenspace.

 

[ortega]

if everyone is civil and kind in their postings
there will not be a problem

many a times, i have typed a reply and clicked cancel

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Honestly, i do not see why the mods should delete the threads or posts unless it's vulgar, inappropriate content (nudity or porn pics), political and reglious arguments (which both i believe were prohibited in CS forum rules) and ads (non-photography related).

As a public forum, i think it's key to be Transparent. As Vince has pointed out, deletion of threads/posts, regardless of intent and purpose, may be perceived as high-handedness by mods. I do noticed, that since i join (cant rem when, prob 2001 or 2002>?), we have quite a few dramas that's more interesting than anything TCS has put up. Sure, sometimes there will be troublemakers (can't really avoid) but i feel some times, the mods may be a little short fused. There's has been an huge increase of deregistered users as well, some will be missed by CS as they have been very good to the education and sharing of knowledge in CS. I am sure some of the older members will know who i am taking about.

FYI, mods seldom delete threads only post, and most of the threads we delete are either...

1) Spams
2) Promotions
3) Not suppose to be posted in an open forum
4) Flame wars

however, 4, is subjective, we'll normally close it. Most of the time its deleted by the threadstarter. If we show the screen caps, you'll know, but to keep it private as they wish, we normally do not reveal the reason unless someone probe.

 

[vince123123]

Please do not misunderstand my earlier FAQ poser. I am not calling for a removal of moderative powers to delete posts or threads.

I have no objection nor problem with moderators or administrators determining in accordance with their own criteria or discretion; which posts need to be removed or deleted. Indeed, these are the roles which moderators play in a forum.

What I was referring to and raising the issue on is the deletion of threads by ordinary members; the act of which also results in the deletion of posts made by OTHER members.

I hope this clarifies and you could review the position again

Thanks!
Vince123123

well this is a privately owned forum poised to give the photographic community a place to discuss and share their passion for photography, not a public nor democratic political platform where individuals attempt to wrestle for 'seniority' (via post counts or their command of english or legal savvyness).

the admins and mods work for the good of the forum as a whole, regulating posts to keep things pleasent around here.

it doesnt matter if members put in huge amounts of effort into writing a piece of garbage and in the end cause unpleasent feelings among other readers - we would just delete the offending post or even the whole thread if the starting post is offending to begin with.

if any member feels that it's their duty to put effort and time into creating unease in the forum, then it's our job to remove this source altogether.

of course we're always lookings towards self-regulated forum, but will step in once we feel things have gotten out of hand.

 

[ortega]

btw i believe that this is about TS deleting their own threads
and not by mods

mods will delete when necessary

 

[vince123123]

I would like to clarify that for the purposes of this thread; this is not what I am pointing out. I am referring to the deletion of threads by ordinary members. I think we should stick to that discussion topic.

I am not asking for a review of moderative/adminstrative deletion of threads at this time and in this thread. That could be better served in another thread started for that purpose.

Honestly, i do not see why the mods should delete the threads or posts unless it's vulgar, inappropriate content (nudity or porn pics), political and reglious arguments (which both i believe were prohibited in CS forum rules) and ads (non-photography related).

As a public forum, i think it's key to be Transparent. As Vince has pointed out, deletion of threads/posts, regardless of intent and purpose, may be perceived as high-handedness by mods. I do noticed, that since i join (cant rem when, prob 2001 or 2002>?), we have quite a few dramas that's more interesting than anything TCS has put up. Sure, sometimes there will be troublemakers (can't really avoid) but i feel some times, the mods may be a little short fused. There's has been an huge increase of deregistered users as well, some will be missed by CS as they have been very good to the education and sharing of knowledge in CS. I am sure some of the older members will know who i am taking about.